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Post by zanygame on Nov 16, 2022 20:38:51 GMT
I would be amazed if my suggestions were already in practice. I mean, I know the world hangs on my every word, but that's so quick. LOL! Sorry to disappoint. But Human Rights cases are supposed to balance the rights of the individual against those of wider society, which should already include the considerations that you've mentioned. Sadly, as we apparently agree, all too often that appears not to be the case. I made some very specific suggestions about when and what sort of appeals certain crimes could use. I am sure that is not currently the case. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 16, 2022 20:51:25 GMT
I think we are agreed that hard and fast rules are not the way to go Zany. You seem to have created an arbitrary hard and fast age rule at 10years old and one that doesn’t currently exist in British law. Are you suggesting that a man who committed a crime aged 30 should by law be treated differently if he arrived here aged 9 years 364 days or if he arrived here aged 10 years 1 day. Yes in the same way a 10 year old can be prosecuted for assault, but a 9years 364 day year old can't. The law is full of lines drawn. Then you missed the point, much of the public object to spending so much money on these scumbags. Whether you think it fair or not that is what they feel. If you keep saying they don't matter then you will end up with Trump. What you describe is not effected by my conditions other than both could be deported, you make it sound like we can pick only one of the two. Neither does your second example need to be deported, I merely stated the terms of an appeal. Further still its unlikely your second case would fall into my first category as I doubt he would be found guilty of murder. On your broader point I recognise hard rules cause problems, but we must consider public opinion. see above. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 16, 2022 21:50:13 GMT
You could add it in, but I think its very hard on the victims of the crime. It's a minor issue - most victims would be heartened to hear their abuser had been permanently carted out of the country never to be allowed to return. The five years discount would rarely matter to them and , even if it does, it is only the same issue as low sentences - which happen. I don't see it solving the human rights claims, for presumably the reason they go through years of court fighting is that they don't want to be deported. I thought the notion was that they would elect to allow themselves to be deported. However, i think the discount of five years may be a bit low. |
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Post by dappy on Nov 17, 2022 0:15:18 GMT
Zane, I was intending to reply to your post but I do t seem to be able to master the quote system on this board - I can quote all and replay but struggle to quote a paragraph and reply then quote a second paragraph and reply. Perhaps I am just getting old.
Anyway sorry I can’t be arsed now. Not your fault. Sorry.
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 17, 2022 1:54:08 GMT
Zane, I was intending to reply to your post but I do t seem to be able to master the quote system on this board - I can quote all and replay and reply then quote a second paragraph and reply. Perhaps I am just getting old. Anyway sorry I can’t be arsed now. Not your fault. Sorry. I think I can say with some confidence Dappy, that you struggle with a lot more than that.  |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 17, 2022 7:22:42 GMT
Zane, I was intending to reply to your post but I do t seem to be able to master the quote system on this board - I can quote all and replay but struggle to quote a paragraph and reply then quote a second paragraph and reply. Perhaps I am just getting old. Anyway sorry I can’t be arsed now. Not your fault. Sorry. I know what you mean. I go through a peculiar process to achieve a it. 1, Quote the whole post. 2, Type your response to the first bit. 3, hit enter and then select QUOTE 4, Highlight the next bit you want to respond to from the top and Cut, then paste into the new quote box. 5, Respond to this. 6, Repeat 3, 4, 5 until you have responded to all. Has anyone got a better way of doing this? |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 17, 2022 7:25:29 GMT
You could add it in, but I think its very hard on the victims of the crime. It's a minor issue - most victims would be heartened to hear their abuser had been permanently carted out of the country never to be allowed to return. The five years discount would rarely matter to them and , even if it does, it is only the same issue as low sentences - which happen. I don't see it solving the human rights claims, for presumably the reason they go through years of court fighting is that they don't want to be deported. I thought the notion was that they would elect to allow themselves to be deported. However, i think the discount of five years may be a bit low. Maybe just offer them deportation instead of any sentence then. They could serve their time if any in their home country. |
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Post by Toreador on Nov 17, 2022 7:50:02 GMT
Zane, I was intending to reply to your post but I do t seem to be able to master the quote system on this board - I can quote all and replay and reply then quote a second paragraph and reply. Perhaps I am just getting old. Anyway sorry I can’t be arsed now. Not your fault. Sorry. I think I can say with some confidence Dappy, that you struggle with a lot more than that. Ouch! |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 17, 2022 7:55:39 GMT
I think I can say with some confidence Dappy, that you struggle with a lot more than that. Ouch! Luckily Red doesn't struggle as he never has to post anything more than a one liner. 😅 |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 17, 2022 12:32:32 GMT
Luckily Red doesn't struggle as he never has to post anything more than a one liner. 😅 Says ZG, who responds to my witty retort with a dull as dishwater, one liner! LOL. |
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Post by dappy on Nov 17, 2022 12:44:52 GMT
I'm rather disappointed Red that you and Sal didn't invite me to your Geoffrey Howe Tribute Act convention. I think you may have outdone even her in your expired ungulate impressions. Well done -you win a night out with Edwina Currie....
Thanks for the top Zany, I'll give it a go.
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Post by Toreador on Nov 17, 2022 17:28:18 GMT
I'm rather disappointed Red that you and Sal didn't invite me to your Geoffrey Howe Tribute Act convention. I think you may have outdone even her in your expired ungulate impressions. Well done - you win a night out with Edwina Currie....Thanks for the top Zany, I'll give it a go. He could do worse, he could spend an evening with you and Zany. |
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Post by Handyman on Nov 17, 2022 18:47:56 GMT
I'm rather disappointed Red that you and Sal didn't invite me to your Geoffrey Howe Tribute Act convention. I think you may have outdone even her in your expired ungulate impressions. Well done - you win a night out with Edwina Currie....Thanks for the top Zany, I'll give it a go. He could do worse, he could spend an evening with you and Zany.    |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 17, 2022 19:36:10 GMT
Luckily Red doesn't struggle as he never has to post anything more than a one liner. 😅 Says ZG, who responds to my witty retort with a dull as dishwater, one liner! LOL. A witty retort LOL. |
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