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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 3, 2023 11:05:20 GMT
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 3, 2023 11:08:22 GMT
Thats all very well sid, but the entire political establishment, media and most of the public were fully in favour of the lockdowns - many (including Starmer, Sturgeon, the Guardian, BBC etc) were demanding at the time that the lockdowns and restrictions go much further. Opposition to the restrictions was confined to a few niche voices and we were in a very small minority. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2023 11:11:11 GMT
So you expect us to accept a version of events as put forward by a Tory supporting newspaper instead of a proper, official independent inquiry. ?
Can I remind you that Johnsons law breaking, his lies, and his double standards are what led to his downfall, he's a thoroughly dishonourable person.
Its one reason why the public DEMAND a proper, transparent invesigation of events and decisions, and the courts will make sure the people get what they deserve.
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Post by patman post on Jun 3, 2023 11:25:58 GMT
How much do you want this enquiry to cost? How about zilch? Because I don't want it at all. I do. And I am prepared to give my reasons: 1. I believe that gathering together and studying all connected events leading up to the pandemic, the way information was gathered, collated, reviewed and treated will be useful in formulating contingency plans for the future. 2. Get into the nitty-gritty, and charting who knew what, when and how they reacted, and the results of their reactions. 3. Evaluate the effectiveness of government advice, information and instruction to health and welfare, law, and local authorities. 4. Not least, highlight failures of personnel an functions, not to necessarily blame and/or sanction (unfortunately, few such inquiries actually punish individuals), but to recommend procedures and processes for any future emergencies… |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 3, 2023 11:32:04 GMT
So you expect us to accept a version of events as put forward by a Tory supporting newspaper instead of a proper, official independent inquiry. ? Can I remind you that Johnsons law breaking, his lies, and his double standards are what led to his downfall, he's a thoroughly dishonourable person. Its one reason why the public DEMAND a proper, transparent invesigation of events and decisions, and the courts will make sure the people get what they deserve. Ahem, the "Tory supporting newspaper" is effectively criticising Tory Government policy (policy which was largely supported by the Labour Party). |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 3, 2023 11:35:49 GMT
How about zilch? Because I don't want it at all. I do. And I am prepared to give my reasons: 1. I believe that gathering together and studying all connected events leading up to the pandemic, the way information was gathered, collated, reviewed and treated will be useful in formulating contingency plans for the future. 2. Get into the nitty-gritty, and charting who knew what, when and how they reacted, and the results of their reactions. 3. Evaluate the effectiveness of government advice, information and instruction to health and welfare, law, and local authorities. 4. Not least, highlight failures of personnel an functions, not to necessarily blame and/or sanction (unfortunately, few such inquiries actually punish individuals), but to recommend procedures and processes for any future emergencies… Yeah, and as I said: ...we all know what the outcome of this enquiry will be: It will rumble on for years, cost £millions and by the time its findings are published ("Lessons will be learned") everyone will have moved on and lost interest (as most of us have already). At the moment this enquiry is being welcomed by the usual suspects as a means to bash the government. But by the time the findings are published Boris & Co will be long gone and no one will care. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jun 3, 2023 11:37:51 GMT
Whilst they are at it, perhaps they should require the similar contents of Nicola Sturgeon's, Mark Drakeford's, and Kier Starmer's messages for the enquiry. Not to mention all the staff of SAGE and Independent Sage who had a huge influence over government at a critical time. Do we know that the inquiry hasn’t or won’t…? a fair point. To be honest i assumed after Drakeford refused to cooperate with any such enquiry i presumed he was not on tbe radar However it seems they will look ratger briefly at the twat’s actions amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/29/uk-covid-inquiry-under-fire-over-three-weeks-allocated-to-wales |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2023 11:39:48 GMT
Thats all very well sid, but the entire political establishment, media and most of the public were fully in favour of the lockdowns - many (including Starmer, Sturgeon, the Guardian, BBC etc) were demanding at the time that the lockdowns and restrictions go much further. Opposition to the restrictions was confined to a few niche voices and we were in a very small minority. Spot on. I'm surprised the Labour lot are trying to play this hand, but then they've always been lying, two-faced opportunists. |
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Post by patman post on Jun 3, 2023 11:57:33 GMT
I do. And I am prepared to give my reasons: 1. I believe that gathering together and studying all connected events leading up to the pandemic, the way information was gathered, collated, reviewed and treated will be useful in formulating contingency plans for the future. 2. Get into the nitty-gritty, and charting who knew what, when and how they reacted, and the results of their reactions. 3. Evaluate the effectiveness of government advice, information and instruction to health and welfare, law, and local authorities. 4. Not least, highlight failures of personnel an functions, not to necessarily blame and/or sanction (unfortunately, few such inquiries actually punish individuals), but to recommend procedures and processes for any future emergencies… Yeah, and as I said: ...we all know what the outcome of this enquiry will be: It will rumble on for years, cost £millions and by the time its findings are published ("Lessons will be learned") everyone will have moved on and lost interest (as most of us have already). And the usual Boris-supporting, My-Tory-Party-Right-Or-Wrong, blinkered contingent want to divert attention away from the lack of ability and honesty of the Conservative government of at least the past decade.
Why else have the Tory news media been swamping the news pages and airwaves with stories about the supposed sexual antics of people working on a morning TV programme...?
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 3, 2023 12:28:30 GMT
At the moment this enquiry is being welcomed by the usual suspects as a means to bash the government... And the usual Boris-supporting, My-Tory-Party-Right-Or-Wrong, blinkered contingent want to divert attention away from the lack of ability and honesty of the Conservative government of at least the past decade. Why else have the Tory news media been swamping the news pages and airwaves with stories about the supposed sexual antics of people working on a morning TV programme...? QED. LOL!  |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 3, 2023 17:05:59 GMT
Quite - that highlights the basic problem with this enquiry. Those opposed to the Government just want it as a means to bash the government and if it doesn't do that then it will be dismissed as a whitewash.
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Post by see2 on Jun 3, 2023 19:31:54 GMT
Thats all very well sid, but the entire political establishment, media and most of the public were fully in favour of the lockdowns - many (including Starmer, Sturgeon, the Guardian, BBC etc) were demanding at the time that the lockdowns and restrictions go much further. Opposition to the restrictions was confined to a few niche voices and we were in a very small minority. Spot on. I'm surprised the Labour lot are trying to play this hand, but then they've always been lying, two-faced opportunists. They didn't lie about the warning given to the government 11 months before Covid hit, that the reserves held for such emergencies as Covid needed to be replenished. Or about the de-facto Herd Immunity in Jan 2020 when many needlessly died before the government decided something must be done. |
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Post by see2 on Jun 3, 2023 19:36:53 GMT
Quite - that highlights the basic problem with this enquiry. Those opposed to the Government just want it as a means to bash the government and if it doesn't do that then it will be dismissed as a whitewash. AFAIA, the inquiry is about gaining information on how Covid was handled to be used for future reference. Its not about getting Boris, he's already been got  |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 3, 2023 21:31:22 GMT
Quite - that highlights the basic problem with this enquiry. Those opposed to the Government just want it as a means to bash the government and if it doesn't do that then it will be dismissed as a whitewash. AFAIA, the inquiry is about gaining information on how Covid was handled to be used for future reference. Its not about getting Boris, he's already been got So if the inquiry finds that the lockdowns promoted by the Labour Party (and rejected by Johnson) were daft ideas, then you will feel the inquiry value for money? |
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Post by see2 on Jun 3, 2023 21:42:58 GMT
AFAIA, the inquiry is about gaining information on how Covid was handled to be used for future reference. Its not about getting Boris, he's already been got So if the inquiry finds that the lockdowns promoted by the Labour Party (and rejected by Johnson) were daft ideas, then you will feel the inquiry value for money? __IF__ You just can't help yourself can you. |
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