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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2023 11:33:18 GMT
Last night (Thursday) on Question Time, even former Tory chairman Chris Patton was clearly both embaressed and frustrated at the antics of Rishi Sunak, and the team who support this government in The Cabinet Office.
If you or I were arrested on suspicion of committing a crime, your mobile phone would be taken from you and ALL THE CONTENTS including all messages and images would be uploaded and viewed without your consent.
One rule for us - a different rule for this government
The independent inquiry into the Covid Pandemic and its handling was initiated by the Conservative government, and its head (Baroness Halloett) was appointed by the government. If the head of this independent inquiry decides that she wants certain material to be handed over as potential evidence, then YOU HAND IT OVER.
In the end we know that the government wont have a choice, but what is it that they are hiding, and why do they risk a huge public outcry by not handing over evidence. ?
My own personal opinion ...... Some of the contents are explosive, and exposing the contents barely 18 months from the general election will kill off the small chance the Tories now have of winning.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 2, 2023 11:44:36 GMT
They're right not to hand it over - it probably contains sensitive government information. And given the incredibly murky Sue Gray affair, which has yet to play out, I wouldn't trust any "Independent" inquiry.
Indeed, I'd be telling Baroness Halitosis to do one.
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 2, 2023 12:11:19 GMT
They're right not to hand it over - it probably contains sensitive government information. And given the incredibly murky Sue Gray affair, which has yet to play out, I wouldn't trust any "Independent" inquiry. Indeed, I'd be telling Baroness Halitosis to do one. And then, if as likely, the courts rule she is entitled to this information and it's up to her to decide what is relevant, then what? |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 2, 2023 12:13:01 GMT
Then I'm sure that an accidental deletion could be arranged.
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Post by Tinculin on Jun 2, 2023 12:15:53 GMT
If you or I were arrested on suspicion of committing a crime, your mobile phone would be taken from you and ALL THE CONTENTS including all messages and images would be uploaded and viewed without your consent. FYI, This isn't true, as is the case with most things, it's far more nuanced as to when police can access your phone without consent. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2023 12:17:18 GMT
Then I'm sure that an accidental deletion could be arranged. In which case the Conservatives are finished Also, any government which is deemed to be in breech of the law, or suspected of corruption, may, at the instruction of the King, advised by the Privy Council, be sacked and Parliament dissolved. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2023 12:24:40 GMT
If you or I were arrested on suspicion of committing a crime, your mobile phone would be taken from you and ALL THE CONTENTS including all messages and images would be uploaded and viewed without your consent. FYI, This isn't true, as is the case with most things, it's far more nuanced as to when police can access your phone without consent. FYI ... in 2020 I was arrested by the police and charged with a crime based upon an allegation made against me, and one of the first things the police did was to confiscate my mobile phone without my consent. In the end, it was actually the contents of my mobile phone which proved beyond any doubt that the allegation was not true, and the charge was dropped and I was released. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 2, 2023 12:24:40 GMT
...Also, any government which is deemed to be in breech of the law, or suspected of corruption, may, at the instruction of the King, advised by the Privy Council, be sacked and Parliament dissolved. In which case pretty much every government of the last 100 years would have been thus dissolved. But none have been. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jun 2, 2023 12:31:26 GMT
...Also, any government which is deemed to be in breech of the law, or suspected of corruption, may, at the instruction of the King, advised by the Privy Council, be sacked and Parliament dissolved. In which case pretty much every government of the last 100 years would have been thus dissolved. But none have been. So what you are saying is pretty much the last three (four if you include the one who came then went soon after) monarchs have been less than diligent. Because god knows how many parliaments under their rule have found ways to hide the truth. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jun 2, 2023 12:38:14 GMT
If you or I were arrested on suspicion of committing a crime, your mobile phone would be taken from you and ALL THE CONTENTS including all messages and images would be uploaded and viewed without your consent. FYI, This isn't true, as is the case with most things, it's far more nuanced as to when police can access your phone without consent. Sorry. I just don't believe that. But then i view plod as politically motivated corrupt scum now that PCC’s are all political nominees. But just for the record, where do your nuances cone in relation to say this information lifted from a random solicitor’s web page. www.stuartmillersolicitors.co.uk/police-mobile-phone-evidence/ |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jun 2, 2023 12:52:32 GMT
Coming back to the points made in the opening post….
For some time the government has made their party line the statement that they would love to adhere to the Covid Enquiry’s demands but could not as Bojo had not / would not hand the info over
Last week Bojo made the categorical statement that everything the enquiry demanded of him was in tbe hands of the government’s lackeys who have been saying untruthfully that it was not.
In response said lackeys said Bojo was a lying shitbag and had not handed over the dirt.
Yesterday they changed their tune and said actually he had and it was they who were seeking legal action to stop the enquiry getting it.
I think there are two issues here.
The first is the government’s desire for secrecy above all, which as we know didn’t work so well when tbe courts decided Tam Dalyell’s oath to the sovereign taken when he took his seat in parliament made him an authorised person under the Official Secrets Act to receive Clive Ponting’s information regarding Thatchers bare faced lie in the matter of the Belgrano’s heading.
The issue being should a judge be able to demand sight of evidence to determine its relevance to a judicial matter. The judges rules regarding evidence cast a pretty wide net for ordinary members of the oublic. I fail to see why Fishy Rishy has extra orotection to call on.
The second issue is whether that information once disclosed to the judge is then made oublic. And here’s Fishy Rishi’s real motivation because an independent judiciary wont be kissing his arse and he knows it
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2023 15:24:38 GMT
For once I agree with much of what johnofgwent states
But its puzzling and the plot now thickens .... Bumbling Boris WILL now hand over all of his WhatsApp messages, something which Rishi and the Cabinet Office do not seem to want him to do. Never the less, Boris is going to bypass Rishi Sunak and comply.
We are in an extrodinary situation where an ex court judge appointed to head the inquiry by the government is been snubbed and ignored, and it cannot do the government anything other than a lot of harm.
In the end, the government will have to do what the courts tell them to do
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 2, 2023 16:23:55 GMT
They're right not to hand it over - it probably contains sensitive government information. And given the incredibly murky Sue Gray affair, which has yet to play out, I wouldn't trust any "Independent" inquiry. Indeed, I'd be telling Baroness Halitosis to do one. And then, if as likely, the courts rule she is entitled to this information and it's up to her to decide what is relevant, then what? Someone is entitled to information when it has been confirmed she's in cahoots with the 'enemy', with the promise of a good top notch position in the Labour party for her reward.......all I can say is ...... Laughing out Loud |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 2, 2023 17:23:34 GMT
Apparently Johnson has bypassed the Cabinet Office and sent all his whatsapp messages to the enquiry direct.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2023 18:49:42 GMT
Whilst they are at it, perhaps they should require the similar contents of Nicola Sturgeon's, Mark Drakeford's, and Kier Starmer's messages for the enquiry.
Not to mention all the staff of SAGE and Independent Sage who had a huge influence over government at a critical time.
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