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Post by zanygame on Jun 22, 2023 7:19:09 GMT
I do not deny climate change. The remainder of your post requires you to re-read it, compare it with your previous codswallop and reach a different conclusion. You deny AGW and boast your failed qualification as reason why you know better than me. But I do not stand alone. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 22, 2023 7:26:45 GMT
No I'm saying its more complicated and I expected you to know that. We have been lucky to experience a solar maunder, we found the the Atlantic escalator pulled warm water down to the depths. None of those things mean AGW is not happening, they just bought us time. Further if ONE scientist said there was climate change due to man I wouldn't believe them. But millions of scientist say its happening, so I listen. I'm amazed to find you sounding like Jonsky. Call it cynicism. Climate Change is like Brexit - one forecast of doom and destruction after another. And when none of these forecasts come to fruition it's all excused by blaming the individual expert and saying 'ah, but I have other experts'... I've lived through the Hockey stick (remember that?), a new ice age, the melting of the ice caps, the holes in the ozone layer, the UK was going to have a Mediterranean climate (as though that was something bad), sea levels rising, and god knows what other forecasts of doom. and yet we are all still here waiting for something to happen. ...but there is always an expert forecasting the end of humanity - as that was something new..  But we did something about the ozone hole remember. As for Brexit you are treating that as you do climate change. Watching people try to mitigate its effects while pretending that means nothing bad is happening. I note you dont mention Covid. Did that not happen? Was that just scientists making one threat of doom after another? Or did that one effect you personally and therefore happen. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 22, 2023 8:03:51 GMT
Call it cynicism. Climate Change is like Brexit - one forecast of doom and destruction after another. And when none of these forecasts come to fruition it's all excused by blaming the individual expert and saying 'ah, but I have other experts'... I've lived through the Hockey stick (remember that?), a new ice age, the melting of the ice caps, the holes in the ozone layer, the UK was going to have a Mediterranean climate (as though that was something bad), sea levels rising, and god knows what other forecasts of doom. and yet we are all still here waiting for something to happen. ...but there is always an expert forecasting the end of humanity - as that was something new.. But we did something about the ozone hole remember. As for Brexit you are treating that as you do climate change. Watching people try to mitigate its effects while pretending that means nothing bad is happening. I note you dont mention Covid. Did that not happen? Was that just scientists making one threat of doom after another? Or did that one effect you personally and therefore happen. That was easy to cure and it was done globally, now there are no threats and three quarters of the globe rightly ignore these doom and gloom forecasts. |
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Post by Toreador on Jun 22, 2023 9:50:49 GMT
I do not deny climate change. The remainder of your post requires you to re-read it, compare it with your previous codswallop and reach a different conclusion. You deny AGW and boast your failed qualification as reason why you know better than me. But I do not stand alone. Don't be daft Zany, I think no one denies Earth has warmed almost 2degC since my grandad was born. The "failed qualification" was voluntary, I left that lab job before the course ended. You appear to have problems....seek help. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2023 10:10:21 GMT
I do not deny climate change. The remainder of your post requires you to re-read it, compare it with your previous codswallop and reach a different conclusion. You deny AGW and boast your failed qualification as reason why you know better than me. But I do not stand alone. I made the following clear points in an earlier post... There is plenty of evidence that the Earth is warming. There has been a measurable rise in sea level indicative of melting ice. Almost everywhere glaciers and ice sheets are receding. Places all around the world, including here, see record breaking heatwaves fairly frequently. Average temperatures have been measured as the decades have gone by and the average global temperature is now almost 1.5C warmer when compared with preindustrial times.Most of those who feel temperamentally or ideologically compelled to reject the notion that we are causing climate change (because to accept that fact implies having to do a whole heap of stuff that is anathema to them ideologically)have had to accept that warming is taking place and have had to fall back on the idea that this is natural and nothing to do with us. But this is just wishful thinking because the evidence is stacking up against them.Scientists have long been aware that CO2 is a greenhouse gas. This is because whilst it is transparent to visible light it is opaque to infra red. These are proven and well established properties of some gases, including CO2. What this means in practice is that any CO2 or any other greenhouse gas in the atmosphere would tend to let in light but as it hits the ground and converts into heat (infrared) it tends to block it from being reflected back out. In other words it tends to trap heat in, making the average temperature warmer than it would otherwise be. It also follows that the more greenhouse gas in the atmosphere, the greater its ability to trap heat and thus warm the planet. And we have measured CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere for some time now, and they have been rising in correlation with average rises in temperature which is consistent with the science.Which leaves the question as to where all this CO2 is coming from. We know car exhausts, jet engines, coal burning, etc pump CO2 into the atmosphere. Which itself gives the obvious answer as to where it is coming from. To reject this requires explaining why man made CO2 is not increasing CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere whilst some other natural mechanism for which there is much less evidence is.
And to ignore CO2 completely and blame it all on supposed changes in the output of the sun is to bury your head in the sand by ignoring the fact that CO2 acts as a greenhouse gas which process is widely understood and to ignore the fact that CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere have greatly increased. Changes in output from the sun could increase or diminish the effect but that effect cannot be ignored if you want to be taken seriously.You only have to join the dots to see that man made global warming is surely becoming a scientifically indisputable fact. Only those blinkered by their own ideological assumptions seem incapable of doing this. Most of them will continue to reject the facts until the day they die, no matter how overwhelming the evidence. Because they lack the intellectual integrity to acknowledge even to themselves that a lifetime of ideological assumptions are no longer fit for purpose.
Mr Physicist Toreador who claims on the back of something he once studied in high school many years ago to know better than the vast majority of the world's scientists - like several of the usual suspects around here - had no credible response to the points I clearly stated. Neither did anyone else who might have wanted to disagree with it. Clearly the denialists are believing what they want to believe and simply ignoring anything to the contrary which they cannot shoot down, however logically obvious it may be. If they invoke science at all they start with their desired conclusion that man made warming isn't real, then try to find evidence to support this predetermined belief, ignoring the mass of scientific evidence to the contrary. This is not how the scientific process works and anyone who studied physics ought to know that. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2023 10:28:17 GMT
After today Net Zero is a pointless exercise as we are all going to get wiped out whatever we do.. might just as well enjoy ourselves..  I'm not allowed to depend on anything other than expert opinion, but between you and me I think we live five years in the future. I'll have to ask another expert if this is true. I mean, we're not allowed to trust our senses. We could be illusions left over from our final extinction or even ghosties!
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 22, 2023 11:06:28 GMT
Call it cynicism. Climate Change is like Brexit - one forecast of doom and destruction after another. And when none of these forecasts come to fruition it's all excused by blaming the individual expert and saying 'ah, but I have other experts'... I've lived through the Hockey stick (remember that?), a new ice age, the melting of the ice caps, the holes in the ozone layer, the UK was going to have a Mediterranean climate (as though that was something bad), sea levels rising, and god knows what other forecasts of doom. and yet we are all still here waiting for something to happen. ...but there is always an expert forecasting the end of humanity - as that was something new.. But we did something about the ozone hole remember. As for Brexit you are treating that as you do climate change. Watching people try to mitigate its effects while pretending that means nothing bad is happening. I note you dont mention Covid. Did that not happen? Was that just scientists making one threat of doom after another? Or did that one effect you personally and therefore happen. I'm not sure that Covid is a great advertisement for scientific forecasting accuracy. The 'experts' were demanding another lockdown for the Omicrion variant in Dec 2021 (complete with forecasts of doom) - luckily the Government ignored them and we all know how it turned out.. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 22, 2023 13:11:10 GMT
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Post by jonksy on Jun 22, 2023 13:43:49 GMT
‘Enjoy your final minutes!’ Greta Bhunberg mocked after ‘wipe out’ climate change prediction falls flat Greta Bhunberg has been ruthlessly mocked after her “wipe out” climate change prediction failed to materialise. The 20-year-old activist shared a shocking prediction about the future of humanity on social media in 2018.
The post said: “A top climate change scientist is warning that climate change will wipe out all of humanity unless we stop using fossil fuels over the next five years.” The post was uploaded to Twitter at 11.18am on June 21 in 2018. link |
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Post by wapentake on Jun 22, 2023 14:30:29 GMT
I have to say that any discussion on climate change as with brexit always turns on denialism,aged and a lack of intelligence of those who voted leave or have the temerity to question this new religion,faith or whatever you want to call it.
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Post by zanygame on Jun 22, 2023 15:23:37 GMT
You deny AGW and boast your failed qualification as reason why you know better than me. But I do not stand alone. Don't be daft Zany, I think no one denies Earth has warmed almost 2degC since my grandad was born. The "failed qualification" was voluntary, I left that lab job before the course ended. You appear to have problems....seek help. You deny AGW Anthropomrphic Climate Change (Man made). Yes you keep saying you left just before qualifying.Which sounds highly likely |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2023 15:58:33 GMT
I have to say that any discussion on climate change as with brexit always turns on denialism,aged and a lack of intelligence of those who voted leave or have the temerity to question this new religion,faith or whatever you want to call it. Copy and pasting whilst screaming denialist is an intelligent activity. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2023 18:04:40 GMT
Don't be daft Zany, I think no one denies Earth has warmed almost 2degC since my grandad was born. The "failed qualification" was voluntary, I left that lab job before the course ended. You appear to have problems....seek help. You deny AGW Anthropomrphic Climate Change (Man made). Yes you keep saying you left just before qualifying. Which sounds highly likely This is one of the problems. The proponents can't even spell. In Greta Thunberg's case, I forgive her lack of accuracy in making predictions when she was an uneducated 15 years old girl on strike from school. Here is the word you were probably looking for Zany: Anthropogenic |
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Post by sheepy on Jun 22, 2023 18:06:20 GMT
Don't be daft Zany, I think no one denies Earth has warmed almost 2degC since my grandad was born. The "failed qualification" was voluntary, I left that lab job before the course ended. You appear to have problems....seek help. You deny AGW Anthropomrphic Climate Change (Man made). Yes you keep saying you left just before qualifying.Which sounds highly likely There is a great deal of conflicting science, I just thought you should know. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2023 18:11:27 GMT
‘Enjoy your final minutes!’ Greta Bhunberg mocked after ‘wipe out’ climate change prediction falls flat Greta Bhunberg has been ruthlessly mocked after her “wipe out” climate change prediction failed to materialise. The 20-year-old activist shared a shocking prediction about the future of humanity on social media in 2018.
The post said: “A top climate change scientist is warning that climate change will wipe out all of humanity unless we stop using fossil fuels over the next five years.” The post was uploaded to Twitter at 11.18am on June 21 in 2018. linkShe did not say that humanity would be wiped out within five years. She said that humanity would be wiped out if we did not stop using fossil fuels within five years. Which is not quite the same thing. We know that there is a substantial time lag between the pumping out of greenhouse gasses and their full impact upon the climate. But whilst almost all serious scientists acknowledge the impact of CO2 emissions on global warming, and that this is going to start having devastatingly disruptive impacts on climate which will be devastating to humanity if we don't do something about it, some predictions are more alarmist than others. And the above appears to have erred on the side of hysteria somewhat. Greta Thunberg was foolish to latch onto it so readily. Nevertheless she is most of the time closer to the truth than most of the usual denialists around here. These latter tend to have three things in common. 1, they are rather old, 2, they are fans of a notoriously dishonest and unreliable right wing newsprint media, and 3, they are predictably right wing themselves. And they do show an aversion to facts they don't like. |
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