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Post by Bentley on Jun 12, 2023 9:16:41 GMT
You about a century out of date. If frigging heatpumps are so good why don't they install them in EV's?
They also use them for heating entire city districts like this one in Stockholm which uses industrial scale heat pumps to supply power and heating for 800,000 homes. Systems like this are common in the cold countries of Scandinavia.
You're just another Cnut-like dinosaur living in the past.
The Stockholm system goes a bit further than whipping out your gas boiler and fitting in a heat pump. Its a complete system designed for a whole community . |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 12, 2023 9:18:08 GMT
So what's wrong about that?
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Post by Bentley on Jun 12, 2023 9:20:32 GMT
While the British are fretting about losing their dinky little boilers, which will be useless anyway when the gas runs out, other countries are getting serious about solutions. MAN industrial heat pumpsDistrict heating systems are a solution for powering densely packed smaller homes which most of Britain consists of. Even the commies knew this 40 years ago. The gas won’t run out . Modern boilers can use Hydrogen gas mix and every non domestic gas pipe in the UK is being fitted with a plastic inner sleeve to accommodate pure hydrogen . |
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Post by Bentley on Jun 12, 2023 9:24:46 GMT
So what's wrong about that? The main points being argued is that heat pumps are not an easy fix , in fact it can be very hard to make them viable in older houses . Now read your post and tell me his it relates to that. Afaik Jonksy is criticising fitting heat pumps into modern houses not a complete system that scavenges heat from different sources and uses heat pumps as part of the system . So what’s wrong with that ? It’s a strawman argument . |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 12, 2023 9:28:29 GMT
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Post by Bentley on Jun 12, 2023 9:32:47 GMT
Well the government is paying for the infrastructure and full hydrogen systems are being trialled. When hydrogen is the norm and your heat pumps develop a squeak don’t complain . You did it yourself.😁 |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 12, 2023 10:03:49 GMT
According to the blurb on the British Gas site 'probably won’t happen until the mid-2040s'. Plenty of time for U-turns between now and then. And how is hydrogen produced anyway? Produced now, I mean, not in some pie in the sky scheme dreamt up by politicians and corporate chancers.
I'm not sure what you mean by heat pumps 'developing a squeak', you ought to know by now that they work by taking heat from one source and transferring it to another.
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Post by Orac on Jun 12, 2023 10:06:11 GMT
According to the blurb on the British Gas site 'probably won’t happen until the mid-2040s'. Plenty of time for U-turns between now and then. And how is hydrogen produced anyway? Produced now, I mean, not in some pie in the sky scheme dreamt up by politicians and corporate chancers. I believe the most efficient method employs hydrocarbons. Though I'm not a chemist and can't comment further |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 12, 2023 10:07:34 GMT
Yes, that's right, hydrocarbons. Natural gas, specifically.
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Post by jonksy on Jun 12, 2023 10:09:04 GMT
While the British are fretting about losing their dinky little boilers, which will be useless anyway when the gas runs out, other countries are getting serious about solutions. MAN industrial heat pumpsDistrict heating systems are a solution for powering densely packed smaller homes which most of Britain consists of. Even the commies knew this 40 years ago. We wont be losing our dinky little boilers as you put it. yet another ECO bumburgher lie. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 12, 2023 10:16:34 GMT
More's the pity.
The obvious way forward is for the government to mandate district heating schemes for all new developments using centralised industrial-scale heatpumps.
While at the same encouraging and empowering local authorities to replace housing stock unfit for 21st century use with something more appropriate, that can also be served by district-level schemes. I understand that will be an effort on a par with the post-war slum clearances but it is something that has to be done sooner or later.
Business as usual simply isn't an option no matter what the Luddites say. The idea that every tiny dwelling is an inviolable castle in which the owner can do anything he likes regardless of the greater effect is simply no longer sustainable.
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Post by Bentley on Jun 12, 2023 10:27:31 GMT
According to the blurb on the British Gas site 'probably won’t happen until the mid-2040s'. Plenty of time for U-turns between now and then. And how is hydrogen produced anyway? Produced now, I mean, not in some pie in the sky scheme dreamt up by politicians and corporate chancers.
I'm not sure what you mean by heat pumps 'developing a squeak', you ought to know by now that they work by taking heat from one source and transferring it to another.
20 years isn’t long . There plenty of natural gas to use while they build the infrastructure. How will hydrogen be produced ? Are you sure that you are not the dinosaur ? You will know the squeak when you hear it .😁 |
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Post by Bentley on Jun 12, 2023 10:31:26 GMT
More's the pity. The obvious way forward is for the government to mandate district heating schemes for all new developments using centralised industrial-scale heatpumps. While at the same encouraging and empowering local authorities to replace housing stock unfit for 21st century use with something more appropriate, that can also be served by district-level schemes. I understand that will be an effort on a par with the post-war slum clearances but it is something that has to be done sooner or later. Business as usual simply isn't an option no matter what the Luddites say. The idea that every tiny dwelling is an inviolable castle in which the owner can do anything he likes regardless of the greater effect is simply no longer sustainable. The obvious way is to let the ones who want to buy heat pumps for their old houses get on with it . Fit heat pumps into new builds . Develop hydrogen production for the natural gas network . Keep improving existing systems. |
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Post by Orac on Jun 12, 2023 10:33:20 GMT
Bentley, that would cause barely any disruption at all. Are you serious?
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Post by Bentley on Jun 12, 2023 10:38:04 GMT
Bentley, that would cause barely any disruption at all. Are you serious? Sorry Orac. Can you expand on this ? |
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