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Post by zanygame on Jun 12, 2023 7:28:21 GMT
You miss out the other critical factor. Climate change. Heat pumps work just fine. I’d send a chitty to the Chinese embassy if you are that worried . Is that your solution for Climate change? Blame another country? Wait, you're a Brexit supporter yes? |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 12, 2023 7:30:02 GMT
A snotty nosed kid and the entire scientific community. You mean the entire community of self serving retards. A real scientist wouldn't piss on bumburgher if she were on fire.She is a laughing stock in the scientific world. Even those in China? |
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Post by Orac on Jun 12, 2023 7:31:21 GMT
The fixation on inconveniencing Europeans and the British in particular is worth noting.
Any discussion about the relative scales involved etc runs into a cul de sac quickly
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Post by zanygame on Jun 12, 2023 7:38:23 GMT
Talking of heat pumps, I mentioned this a few months ago but I think it's worth repeating here. I was talking to a chap who had a heat pump installed, he had the pump installed two or three years ago but we had this discussion a few months ago, anyhoo. He had an outbuilding built for the heat pump which was a substantial bit of kit, in his large back garden. This chap has got a few bob btw but that does not detract from the point. I asked him if he was happy with his heat pump, he hesitated. He said it's OK in the summer, but said he had a woodburner fitted for the winter months because the heat pump doesn't heat the house sufficiently when it's cold! Now this isn't such a big deal for this chap because he's not short of a few bob, but for most people I would have thought the cash outlay for a heat pump was out of the question, let alone a heat pump and a woodburner. Sounds to me like the system isn't large enough. Like fitting too small a gas boiler. There are heat pumps warming entire sky scrapers, so its just a matter of size. That said I am not in favour of trying to force a heat pump to raise temperatures from -5 to 65 degrees. Far better to use them as warm air where they only have to raise temperatures from -5 to 23 degrees. Its asking them to do something they are not best at. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 12, 2023 7:39:26 GMT
In what universe is it viable to expect people to spend tens of thousands of pounds (which they may well not have) to end up with exactly the same level of comfort as they have now?. If you need to bankrupt yourself to install one then plainly they are unviable. In the same universe where you use the most extreme cases as the norm in order to prove heat pumps can't replace gas boilers. You are living in a parallel universe if you really believe families have tens of thousands of pounds lying around to refit their houses so as to be able to use heat pumps. try reading this from todays paper to see what the reality is. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 12, 2023 7:41:03 GMT
You miss out the other critical factor. Climate change. Heat pumps work just fine. If its 20c outside. EV's work fine if you only want to pop around the corner. If its -7 outside EV's work fine if you only want to do 200 miles without charging. You're about 6 years out of date Jonsky.  |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 12, 2023 7:42:43 GMT
In the same universe where you use the most extreme cases as the norm in order to prove heat pumps can't replace gas boilers. You are living in a parallel universe if you really believe families have tens of thousands of pounds lying around to refit their houses so as to be able to use heat pumps. try reading this from todays paper to see what the reality is. Yes, they all have to spend tens of thousands of pounds. Sigh. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 12, 2023 7:43:10 GMT
Work now. For some of us. See you later.
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Post by jonksy on Jun 12, 2023 8:09:12 GMT
You mean the entire community of self serving retards. A real scientist wouldn't piss on bumburgher if she were on fire.She is a laughing stock in the scientific world. Even those in China? They are the ones who will probably make the.mostoney out of all the ECO bollox whilst not giving a flying fart about the environment in their own country. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 12, 2023 8:10:46 GMT
If its 20c outside. EV's work fine if you only want to pop around the corner. If its -7 outside EV's work fine if you only want to do 200 miles without charging. You're about 6 years out of date Jonsky. You about a century out of date. If frigging heatpumps are so good why don't they install them in EV's? |
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Post by Toreador on Jun 12, 2023 8:13:16 GMT
You are living in a parallel universe if you really believe families have tens of thousands of pounds lying around to refit their houses so as to be able to use heat pumps. try reading this from todays paper to see what the reality is. Yes, they all have to spend tens of thousands of pounds. Sigh. Good luck with convincing private landlords, many of whom have low value Victorian terraced houses for cheaper rentals, do you think they'll get away with installing heat pumps and raising rents? many of those properties front the pavement and have only a very small back yard without vehicle access; welcome to the real world. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 12, 2023 8:56:53 GMT
If its -7 outside EV's work fine if you only want to do 200 miles without charging. You're about 6 years out of date Jonsky. You about a century out of date. If frigging heatpumps are so good why don't they install them in EV's? They do.
They also use them for heating entire city districts like this one in Stockholm which uses industrial scale heat pumps to supply power and heating for 800,000 homes. Systems like this are common in the cold countries of Scandinavia.
You're just another Cnut-like dinosaur living in the past.
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Post by Bentley on Jun 12, 2023 9:01:30 GMT
I’d send a chitty to the Chinese embassy if you are that worried . Is that your solution for Climate change? Blame another country? Wait, you're a Brexit supporter yes? Where did I blame China for climate change ? If you are going to be dishonest and dismissive then you are just reinforcing my suspicion that you are a evangelical zealot rather that a rational grown up. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 12, 2023 9:02:29 GMT
You about a century out of date. If frigging heatpumps are so good why don't they install them in EV's? They do.
They also use them for heating entire city districts like this one in Stockholm which uses industrial scale heat pumps to supply power and heating for 800,000 homes. Systems like this are common in the cold countries of Scandinavia.
You're just another Cnut-like dinosaur living in the past.
And it reduces the range by 60%.Not so good is it? Especially as they can't even generate enough heat to demist the screens. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 12, 2023 9:07:40 GMT
While the British are fretting about losing their dinky little boilers, which will be useless anyway when the gas runs out, other countries are getting serious about solutions. MAN industrial heat pumpsDistrict heating systems are a solution for powering densely packed smaller homes which most of Britain consists of. Even the commies knew this 40 years ago. |
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