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Post by Bentley on Jun 11, 2023 20:50:49 GMT
People are asking for them to be removed now they are finding out how non efficent they are. It's like EV's if they are so bloody good why did governments have to force the junk onto consumers?
EDIT sorry I will add that all governments apart from China are no longer enforcing them.
You are right they were forced in order to give them traction, to ensure the needed investment. But now they stand alone so enforcement is no longer needed. Though of course there is still the process of phasing out ICE vehicles. Heat pumps are old tech really and they work just fine, its just people not liking change as always. They work fine between limited parameters . If the worked fine between less limited parameters and were cost effective to the homeowner then they would be popular . Nothing to do with not liking change any more than people who use then is about virtue signalling . |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 11, 2023 20:51:07 GMT
You mean the entire community of self serving retards. A real scientist wouldn't piss on bumburgher if she were on fire.She is a laughing stock in the scientific world. The entire community of scientists from every country in the world all self serving retards. On balance I still believe them over you. Ony those who think they are scientists and have an axe to grind. knews for you the ENTIRE world scientific community do NOT back the ECO BS. |
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Post by Bentley on Jun 11, 2023 20:52:07 GMT
You mean the entire community of self serving retards. A real scientist wouldn't piss on bumburgher if she were on fire.She is a laughing stock in the scientific world. The entire community of scientists from every country in the world all self serving retards. On balance I still believe them over you. You don’t get to be an AGW scientist if you are an AGW sceptic afaik. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 11, 2023 21:03:09 GMT
You are right they were forced in order to give them traction, to ensure the needed investment. But now they stand alone so enforcement is no longer needed. Though of course there is still the process of phasing out ICE vehicles. Heat pumps are old tech really and they work just fine, its just people not liking change as always. They work fine between limited parameters . If the worked fine between less limited parameters and were cost effective to the homeowner then they would be popular . Nothing to do with not liking change any more than people who use then is about virtue signalling . It's the usual excuse by the ECO evangelist's that those who oppose do not like change. No we don't unless it is is an improvement rather than a step backwards. |
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Post by Bentley on Jun 11, 2023 21:04:56 GMT
They work fine between limited parameters . If the worked fine between less limited parameters and were cost effective to the homeowner then they would be popular . Nothing to do with not liking change any more than people who use then is about virtue signalling . It's the usual excuse by the ECO evangelist's that those who oppose do not like change. No we don't unless it is is an improvement rather than a step backwards. True and true 👍 |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 11, 2023 21:23:06 GMT
You are right they were forced in order to give them traction, to ensure the needed investment. But now they stand alone so enforcement is no longer needed. Though of course there is still the process of phasing out ICE vehicles. Heat pumps are old tech really and they work just fine, its just people not liking change as always. They work fine between limited parameters . If the worked fine between less limited parameters and were cost effective to the homeowner then they would be popular . Nothing to do with not liking change any more than people who use then is about virtue signalling . You miss out the other critical factor. Climate change. Heat pumps work just fine. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 11, 2023 21:23:42 GMT
I've still got wind down windows and my kitchen truck has proper quarter light windows. My only electronics are for the ABS and airbags. Those quarter light windows were brilliant, better than aircon. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 11, 2023 21:25:16 GMT
Surely the obvious answer is the most cost effective one? - and it simply is not cost effective to fit heat pumps to many old properties. Agreed, which is where we started. But the claim was not cost effectiveness but non viability. In what universe is it viable to expect people to spend tens of thousands of pounds (which they may well not have) to end up with exactly the same level of comfort as they have now?. If you need to bankrupt yourself to install one then plainly they are unviable. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jun 11, 2023 21:27:28 GMT
I've still got wind down windows and my kitchen truck has proper quarter light windows. My only electronics are for the ABS and airbags. Those quarter light windows were brilliant, better than aircon. Perfect for flicking your ash out. |
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Post by Bentley on Jun 11, 2023 21:33:39 GMT
They work fine between limited parameters . If the worked fine between less limited parameters and were cost effective to the homeowner then they would be popular . Nothing to do with not liking change any more than people who use then is about virtue signalling . You miss out the other critical factor. Climate change. Heat pumps work just fine. I’d send a chitty to the Chinese embassy if you are that worried . Meanwhile heat pumps still have limited value in older houses . |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 11, 2023 21:47:06 GMT
Talking of heat pumps, I mentioned this a few months ago but I think it's worth repeating here. I was talking to a chap who had a heat pump installed, he had the pump installed two or three years ago but we had this discussion a few months ago, anyhoo. He had an outbuilding built for the heat pump which was a substantial bit of kit, in his large back garden. This chap has got a few bob btw but that does not detract from the point.
I asked him if he was happy with his heat pump, he hesitated. He said it's OK in the summer, but said he had a woodburner fitted for the winter months because the heat pump doesn't heat the house sufficiently when it's cold! Now this isn't such a big deal for this chap because he's not short of a few bob, but for most people I would have thought the cash outlay for a heat pump was out of the question, let alone a heat pump and a woodburner.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 11, 2023 21:48:48 GMT
You miss out the other critical factor. Climate change. Heat pumps work just fine. I’d send a chitty to the Chinese embassy if you are that worried . Meanwhile heat pumps still have limited value in older houses . A chitty lol, that brings back memories. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 12, 2023 1:40:23 GMT
They work fine between limited parameters . If the worked fine between less limited parameters and were cost effective to the homeowner then they would be popular . Nothing to do with not liking change any more than people who use then is about virtue signalling . You miss out the other critical factor. Climate change. Heat pumps work just fine. If its 20c outside. EV's work fine if you only want to pop around the corner. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 12, 2023 6:55:54 GMT
Talking of heat pumps, I mentioned this a few months ago but I think it's worth repeating here. I was talking to a chap who had a heat pump installed, he had the pump installed two or three years ago but we had this discussion a few months ago, anyhoo. He had an outbuilding built for the heat pump which was a substantial bit of kit, in his large back garden. This chap has got a few bob btw but that does not detract from the point. I asked him if he was happy with his heat pump, he hesitated. He said it's OK in the summer, but said he had a woodburner fitted for the winter months because the heat pump doesn't heat the house sufficiently when it's cold! Now this isn't such a big deal for this chap because he's not short of a few bob, but for most people I would have thought the cash outlay for a heat pump was out of the question, let alone a heat pump and a woodburner.You find that a lot - people evangalise about their heat pump and then you find they have alternative sources of heat as well. It's the same with EV's - many of those who cheer about their EV's also have a second non-EV car to fall back on. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 12, 2023 7:26:31 GMT
Agreed, which is where we started. But the claim was not cost effectiveness but non viability. In what universe is it viable to expect people to spend tens of thousands of pounds (which they may well not have) to end up with exactly the same level of comfort as they have now?. If you need to bankrupt yourself to install one then plainly they are unviable. In the same universe where you use the most extreme cases as the norm in order to prove heat pumps can't replace gas boilers. |
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