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Post by Bentley on Jun 11, 2023 17:42:01 GMT
Surely the obvious answer is the most cost effective one? - and it simply is not cost effective to fit heat pumps to many old properties. Agreed, which is where we started. But the claim was not cost effectiveness but non viability. Both can be linked . |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jun 11, 2023 17:44:05 GMT
I've still got wind down windows and my kitchen truck has proper quarter light windows.
My only electronics are for the ABS and airbags.
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Post by jonksy on Jun 11, 2023 18:03:33 GMT
Have you tried fitting insulation to a non-cavity wall Zany? This aint the subject for you is it? Aren't you a builder? Yes indeed I have fitted insulation on a non cavity wall and its done frequently. Here you go. ( you can put it inside instead if you prefer. )  I know the process Zany and it is not frigging cheap. Older members of our society can get a government grant for cavity inswulation but not for external wall insulation. Also they cannot get a grant or help for internal insulation. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 11, 2023 18:07:48 GMT
Aren't you a builder? Yes indeed I have fitted insulation on a non cavity wall and its done frequently. Here you go. ( you can put it inside instead if you prefer. ) I know the process Zany and it is not frigging cheap. Older members of our society can get a government grant for cavity inswulation but not for external wall insulation. Also they cannot get a grant or help for internal insulation. Well yes its expensive, but your comment was had I tried fitting insulation to non cavity walls. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 11, 2023 18:12:14 GMT
I know the process Zany and it is not frigging cheap. Older members of our society can get a government grant for cavity inswulation but not for external wall insulation. Also they cannot get a grant or help for internal insulation. Well yes its expensive, but your comment was had I tried fitting insulation to non cavity walls. Of course its bloody expensive and that makes it cost prohibitive. It would work out nearlya ss expensive as the property itself and still would not have the same thermal effiency of cavity walls. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 11, 2023 18:14:58 GMT
Well yes its expensive, but your comment was had I tried fitting insulation to non cavity walls. Of course its bloody expensive and that makes it cost prohibitive. It would work out nearlya ss expensive as the property itself and still would not have the same thermal effiency of cavity walls. Well some while back I agreed that due to the nature of heat pumps and there low energy output it could make some properties non viable. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 11, 2023 18:18:16 GMT
Of course its bloody expensive and that makes it cost prohibitive. It would work out nearlya ss expensive as the property itself and still would not have the same thermal effiency of cavity walls. Well some while back I agreed that due to the nature of heat pumps and there low energy output it could make some properties non viable. It makes ANY property non viable. Why do you think many people are now asking for them to be removed? After being conned with the junk in the first place. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 11, 2023 18:26:22 GMT
Well some while back I agreed that due to the nature of heat pumps and there low energy output it could make some properties non viable. It makes ANY property non viable. Why do you think many people are now asking for them to be removed? After being conned with the junk in the first place. No it doesn't. You were claiming people moving into new properties were asking to have them removed. Properties meeting very stringent insulation regulations. Not only that but the site you claimed it for made no mention of using heat pumps as their heating. I agree that some old houses might be economically unviable, but not that this applies to all properties. That' clearly not true as both I and others on here have them very successfully. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 11, 2023 18:29:26 GMT
It makes ANY property non viable. Why do you think many people are now asking for them to be removed? After being conned with the junk in the first place. No it doesn't. You were claiming people moving into new properties were asking to have them removed. Properties meeting very stringent insulation regulations. Not only that but the site you claimed it for made no mention of using heat pumps as their heating. I agree that some old houses might be economically unviable, but not that this applies to all properties. That' clearly not true as both I and others on here have them very successfully. People are asking for them to be removed now they are finding out how non efficent they are. It's like EV's if they are so bloody good why did governments have to force the junk onto consumers?
EDIT sorry I will add that all governments apart from China are no longer enforcing them.
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Post by Toreador on Jun 11, 2023 19:14:10 GMT
I know the process Zany and it is not frigging cheap. Older members of our society can get a government grant for cavity inswulation but not for external wall insulation. Also they cannot get a grant or help for internal insulation. Well yes its expensive, but your comment was had I tried fitting insulation to non cavity walls. It also changes the appearance of a building and may not be allowed on listed properties. There are plenty of other things against it that I'll let you work out for yourself. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 11, 2023 20:34:13 GMT
No it doesn't. You were claiming people moving into new properties were asking to have them removed. Properties meeting very stringent insulation regulations. Not only that but the site you claimed it for made no mention of using heat pumps as their heating. I agree that some old houses might be economically unviable, but not that this applies to all properties. That' clearly not true as both I and others on here have them very successfully. People are asking for them to be removed now they are finding out how non efficent they are. It's like EV's if they are so bloody good why did governments have to force the junk onto consumers?
EDIT sorry I will add that all governments apart from China are no longer enforcing them.
You are right they were forced in order to give them traction, to ensure the needed investment. But now they stand alone so enforcement is no longer needed. Though of course there is still the process of phasing out ICE vehicles. Heat pumps are old tech really and they work just fine, its just people not liking change as always. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 11, 2023 20:36:50 GMT
People are asking for them to be removed now they are finding out how non efficent they are. It's like EV's if they are so bloody good why did governments have to force the junk onto consumers?
EDIT sorry I will add that all governments apart from China are no longer enforcing them.
You are right they were forced in order to give them traction, to ensure the needed investment. But now they stand alone so enforcement is no longer needed. Though of course there is still the process of phasing out ICE vehicles. Heat pumps are old tech really and they work just fine, its just people not liking change as always. They are now a testament to how stupid some people can be by falling for the ECO BS and listening to a snotty nosed excuse for a kid. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 11, 2023 20:40:03 GMT
You are right they were forced in order to give them traction, to ensure the needed investment. But now they stand alone so enforcement is no longer needed. Though of course there is still the process of phasing out ICE vehicles. Heat pumps are old tech really and they work just fine, its just people not liking change as always. They are now a testament to how stupid some people can be by falling for the ECO BS and listening to a snotty nosed excuse for a kid. A snotty nosed kid and the entire scientific community. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 11, 2023 20:43:34 GMT
They are now a testament to how stupid some people can be by falling for the ECO BS and listening to a snotty nosed excuse for a kid. A snotty nosed kid and the entire scientific community. You mean the entire community of self serving retards. A real scientist wouldn't piss on bumburgher if she were on fire.She is a laughing stock in the scientific world. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 11, 2023 20:47:21 GMT
A snotty nosed kid and the entire scientific community. You mean the entire community of self serving retards. A real scientist wouldn't piss on bumburgher if she were on fire.She is a laughing stock in the scientific world. The entire community of scientists from every country in the world all self serving retards. On balance I still believe them over you. |
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