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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 11, 2023 16:48:22 GMT
Actually there's an article in the Times today claiming that the most environmentally-friendly form of motoring over the long term is for everyone to keep their ICE vehicles going for as long as possible, gas-guzzler or not, but to power them not with petrol or diesel but with E-fuel — synthetic fuel made from carbon dioxide and water currently used to power racing cars. Porsche has already successfully lobbied the EU to exempt E-fuel ICE engines from the looming ban. It's certainly a thought. Is keeping your gas-guzzler greener than buying an electric car?"...few years ago, an American research company ranked vehicles according to their carbon footprint. To most people’s surprise, the Jeep Wrangler, a gas-guzzling 4x4, came out one of the best. It easily beat the Toyota Prius, which at the time was the darling of eco-warriors and image-conscious Hollywood stars. How come? Because people who bought Wranglers tended to keep them for a long time. The Jeep was solidly built and its classic design barely changed from year to year, so owners saw no need to replace it. Using “dust-to-dust” emissions calculations that account for manufacturing, mining and recycling, as well as fuel consumption, the Wrangler outdid cars that seemed superficially greener." How long was the calculation done over? A twisted view to say the least, how does it stad in a hundred years time, will people be passing their old diesels down to their children. Does it in anyway reflect reality? If I bought a new Jeep wrangler tomorrow and you bought a new EV which would be more eco friendly over 30 years? I don't know about the calculation, the Times didn't provide a link.
But wrt to the Wrangler vs EV question, with the latter you are likely to be in for three or more battery replacements over 30 years I'd have thought. Even Tesla only has a ten-year warranty.
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Post by zanygame on Jun 11, 2023 16:53:10 GMT
How long was the calculation done over? A twisted view to say the least, how does it stad in a hundred years time, will people be passing their old diesels down to their children. Does it in anyway reflect reality? If I bought a new Jeep wrangler tomorrow and you bought a new EV which would be more eco friendly over 30 years? I don't know about the calculation, the Times didn't provide a link.
But wrt to the Wrangler vs EV question, with the latter you are likely to be in for three or more battery replacements over 30 years I'd have thought. Even Tesla only has a ten-year warranty.
It would be an interesting calculation 3 battery replacements versus x thousand gallons of oil burnt. Interesting aside. Tesla are one of the few EV makers who cannot replace individual cells in their cars. Most other manufacturers can , so it might not be a whole battery you need each ten years. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jun 11, 2023 16:53:11 GMT
My apologies I think we did, when I had my Range rover sport, you said it wasn't a proper one like you had. 😂 🤣 What model do you have? 3.6 V8, L322 series on a 2010 plate. The last of the proper Range Rovers. (Clarkson) |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 11, 2023 16:56:24 GMT
So your BMW sports car can just beat my SUV luxury 7 seater PHEV. Well done. No it was a series 3 repmobile. 2 litres of sludge power . You were crowing about how fast your Kia hybrid is. The bad news is that it’s not as fast as you thought . Your luxury SUV is a heavy barge with a low top end . Since we're willy-waving here (is that even allowed in the Mind Zone?), I'd just note that my Audi 3L turbodiesel (276 bhp and 600Nm) would leave you all choking on my NOx - 0-100km (62 mph) in 5.4s  |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 11, 2023 16:58:39 GMT
3.6 V8, L322 series on a 2010 plate. The last of the proper Range Rovers. (Clarkson) Certainly a lovely looking car aren't they. And never dated. I wouldn't swap though. I like my gadgets too much. They are lovely looking cars, no doubt about it. It doesn't look 13 years old that's for sure, and imo even though it's not a new car it has too many gadgets, I'm not a gadget sort of a chap. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 11, 2023 17:01:03 GMT
OK. So if you need a bigger heat pump you may not qualify for the Boiler upgrade scheme. You may find it more expensive to run than your existing boiler. Does this mean it can't heat your home ? No it doesn't. The obvious answer is fit insulation even if you aren't fitting a heat pump. Surely the obvious answer is the most cost effective one? - and it simply is not cost effective to fit heat pumps to many old properties. |
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Post by Bentley on Jun 11, 2023 17:01:08 GMT
No it was a series 3 repmobile. 2 litres of sludge power . You were crowing about how fast your Kia hybrid is. The bad news is that it’s not as fast as you thought . Your luxury SUV is a heavy barge with a low top end . Since we're willy-waving here (is that even allowed in the Mind Zone?), I'd just note that my Audi 3L turbodiesel (276 bhp and 600Nm) would leave you all choking on my NOx - 0-100km (62 mph) in 5.4s I don’t think the 3 litre BMW 3 series would beat that . Near ….but 5.4 seconds is fast . |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 11, 2023 17:01:21 GMT
So your BMW sports car can just beat my SUV luxury 7 seater PHEV. Well done. No it was a series 3 repmobile. 2 litres of sludge power . You were crowing about how fast your Kia hybrid is. The bad news is that it’s not as fast as you thought . Your luxury SUV is a heavy barge with a low top end . Harsh, but ultimately, very fair.  |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 11, 2023 17:06:37 GMT
No it was a series 3 repmobile. 2 litres of sludge power . You were crowing about how fast your Kia hybrid is. The bad news is that it’s not as fast as you thought . Your luxury SUV is a heavy barge with a low top end . Since we're willy-waving here (is that even allowed in the Mind Zone?), I'd just note that my Audi 3L turbodiesel (276 bhp and 600Nm) would leave you all choking on my NOx - 0-100km (62 mph) in 5.4s Rather depends how big your willy is I suppose, ahhh yes. Those are the sort of credentials we like. Dan you certainly qualify for the big boys enclosure. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 11, 2023 17:06:38 GMT
Since we're willy-waving here (is that even allowed in the Mind Zone?), I'd just note that my Audi 3L turbodiesel (276 bhp and 600Nm) would leave you all choking on my NOx - 0-100km (62 mph) in 5.4s I don’t think the 3 litre BMW 3 series would beat that . Near ….but 5.4 seconds is fast . Just checked my usual source (Auto Motor und Sport Autokauf) which gives the BMW 330d xDrive Touring as exactly the same - 5.4s - As my A4 Avant 3.0 TDi Quattro. |
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Post by Bentley on Jun 11, 2023 17:08:20 GMT
I don’t think the 3 litre BMW 3 series would beat that . Near ….but 5.4 seconds is fast . Just checked my usual source (Auto Motor und Sport Autokauf) which gives the BMW 330d xDrive Touring as exactly the same - 5.4s - As my A4 Avant 3.0 TDi Quattro. Nice. I was expecting about 6 tbh. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 11, 2023 17:09:53 GMT
Certainly a lovely looking car aren't they. And never dated. I wouldn't swap though. I like my gadgets too much. They are lovely looking cars, no doubt about it. It doesn't look 13 years old that's for sure, and imo even though it's not a new car it has too many gadgets, I'm not a gadget sort of a chap. I like my auto opening boot, my 360 sensors, my heated steering wheel, my touch lock doors, my rear vehicle passing warning, but mostly I like my 165 to the gallon. I drive 8 miles to work and back each day and use 1 mile of petrol. But I expect your range rover even at 13 years old has a lot of stuff other cars didn't even 10 years later. I know when I bought my first Rang rover I was disappointed that the salesman didn't smooze me a bit, ha just said take it out and try it. I did and I immediately understood why they cost so much. They are silent, smooth, luxurious and just perfect. The cost is for the aluminium shell, the shell is to offset the weight of the insulation that means when you shut the door you get perfect peace. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 11, 2023 17:27:49 GMT
They are lovely looking cars, no doubt about it. It doesn't look 13 years old that's for sure, and imo even though it's not a new car it has too many gadgets, I'm not a gadget sort of a chap. I like my auto opening boot, my 360 sensors, my heated steering wheel, my touch lock doors, my rear vehicle passing warning, but mostly I like my 165 to the gallon. I drive 8 miles to work and back each day and use 1 mile of petrol. But I expect your range rover even at 13 years old has a lot of stuff other cars didn't even 10 years later. I know when I bought my first Rang rover I was disappointed that the salesman didn't smooze me a bit, ha just said take it out and try it. I did and I immediately understood why they cost so much. They are silent, smooth, luxurious and just perfect. The cost is for the aluminium shell, the shell is to offset the weight of the insulation that means when you shut the door you get perfect peace. Everything is electric that's for sure. I've just had a shufty at equipment levels and still don't know what a lot of it does. I always liked the looks, but what sold it was sitting in it. Sitting in that leather armchair, looking down on the plebs (lol) it's such a nice place to be. It has it's downsides I suppose, some of the lanes around here aren't designed for big cars that's for sure, and I have to be careful where I park it so I don't get it bashed when people open their doors on supermarket carparks. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 11, 2023 17:38:57 GMT
OK. So if you need a bigger heat pump you may not qualify for the Boiler upgrade scheme. You may find it more expensive to run than your existing boiler. Does this mean it can't heat your home ? No it doesn't. The obvious answer is fit insulation even if you aren't fitting a heat pump. Surely the obvious answer is the most cost effective one? - and it simply is not cost effective to fit heat pumps to many old properties. Agreed, which is where we started. But the claim was not cost effectiveness but non viability. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 11, 2023 17:40:29 GMT
not ignoring anyone, but signing off for now as we are entertaining again.
Enjoy your evening all.
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