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Post by johnofgwent on Jun 5, 2023 17:42:34 GMT
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Post by patman post on Jun 5, 2023 18:20:46 GMT
No need for Ultra Right or Far Left with antisemitism bugging the Left and anti-immigration and Islamophobia on the Right, both major parties have proved themselves to be "broad churches" when it comes to housing extremist views.
Ukip had been turned to as a more decent home for BNP sympathies in Tunbridge Wells and the shires. But Tory social media activists resurrected Enoch Powell, border control and sovereignty, and lured them back in 2019...
You are grasping at straws there - UKIP was never involved in any position of Government in the UK. And as for the Tories and border control you are having a laugh - record numbers of immigrants (legal and illegal) and you think we have the far right imposing border controls? Give your head a wobble..  Did I post that Ukip had been involved in any position in government? No. I pointed out that Ukip support influenced the actions of the Conservative government — the most obvious was driving Cameron to hold a referendum. I agree the Tories are achieving little noticeable on border control. But do they want to? They now want immigrants to fill the employment gaps. The confusion between asylum seekers and immigration is one of the Government’s own making. Now, after promising a bonfire of EU directives and laws, they’re finding some EU legislation makes sense and is going to take time to whitewash with UK paint. The Conservatives are confused and facing two ways — but the Far Right is still a disruptive power to be reckoned with… |
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 5, 2023 21:30:28 GMT
That's a concern. The EU used Covid as an excuse to grab more power and interlope into educational affairs. Now they'll be generations of young kids in the EU brought up on its doctrine. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 5, 2023 21:34:40 GMT
You are grasping at straws there - UKIP was never involved in any position of Government in the UK. And as for the Tories and border control you are having a laugh - record numbers of immigrants (legal and illegal) and you think we have the far right imposing border controls? Give your head a wobble.. Did I post that Ukip had been involved in any position in government? No. I pointed out that Ukip support influenced the actions of the Conservative government — the most obvious was driving Cameron to hold a referendum. Since when was allowing the people a say a 'Far Right' action - you really need to give your head a wobble over that one.. So the Conservatives in Parliament (who always supported Remain) are not doing anything to diverge from the EU but somehow the 'Far Right' hold sway?.. Sorry mate but you really need some better arguments. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jun 6, 2023 6:16:57 GMT
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Post by johnofgwent on Jun 6, 2023 6:42:03 GMT
and there we have the problem of your own mouth. Thank you |
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Post by patman post on Jun 6, 2023 11:50:32 GMT
Did I post that Ukip had been involved in any position in government? No. I pointed out that Ukip support influenced the actions of the Conservative government — the most obvious was driving Cameron to hold a referendum. Since when was allowing the people a say a 'Far Right' action - you really need to give your head a wobble over that one.. So the Conservatives in Parliament (who always supported Remain) are not doing anything to diverge from the EU but somehow the 'Far Right' hold sway?.. Sorry mate but you really need some better arguments. Cameron made a decision that allowed a veneer of respectability to cover a raft of Ultra Right views, and the ability to voice them with little sanction. They swung enough of the electorate to push Leave over the line. The Conservative administration is almost entirely Leave, from the PM down. In 2019, 21 who disagreed with Johnson, had the whip withdrawn. Now Sunak has to tread carefully on immigration and EU relations in order to keep his Right Wing happy. I’m not worried about arguments on a forum, but I do like to introduce some factual info from time to time… |
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Post by oracle75 on Jun 6, 2023 16:27:35 GMT
and there we have the problem of your own mouth. Thank you I suppose you also object to the theory of a round earth. Anyway the kids know as much about climate change than most adults. They READ and WATCH (amazingly) TV, videos, library books, information sites and discuss ir amongst themselves. These days, unlike you, they live in a multifaceted world. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 6, 2023 17:17:19 GMT
Since when was allowing the people a say a 'Far Right' action - you really need to give your head a wobble over that one.. So the Conservatives in Parliament (who always supported Remain) are not doing anything to diverge from the EU but somehow the 'Far Right' hold sway?.. Sorry mate but you really need some better arguments. Cameron made a decision that allowed a veneer of respectability to cover a raft of Ultra Right views, and the ability to voice them with little sanction. They swung enough of the electorate to push Leave over the line. The Conservative administration is almost entirely Leave, from the PM down. In 2019, 21 who disagreed with Johnson, had the whip withdrawn. Now Sunak has to tread carefully on immigration and EU relations in order to keep his Right Wing happy. I’m not worried about arguments on a forum, but I do like to introduce some factual info from time to time… It is now - 6 years after we voted. When we actually voted though the Tories were in favour of Remain and even sent you a personal leaflet telling you which way to vote. The 'far right' have never had any influence over UK government policy - they cannot even get immigration to stop increasing... |
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Post by Toreador on Jun 6, 2023 17:39:00 GMT
and there we have the problem of your own mouth. Thank you I suppose you also object to the theory of a round earth. Anyway the kids know as much about climate change than most adults. They READ and WATCH (amazingly) TV, videos, library books, information sites and discuss ir amongst themselves. These days, unlike you, they live in a multifaceted world. Otherwise known as indoctrination. |
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Post by patman post on Jun 6, 2023 18:40:08 GMT
Cameron made a decision that allowed a veneer of respectability to cover a raft of Ultra Right views, and the ability to voice them with little sanction. They swung enough of the electorate to push Leave over the line. The Conservative administration is almost entirely Leave, from the PM down. In 2019, 21 who disagreed with Johnson, had the whip withdrawn. Now Sunak has to tread carefully on immigration and EU relations in order to keep his Right Wing happy. I’m not worried about arguments on a forum, but I do like to introduce some factual info from time to time… It is now - 6 years after we voted. When we actually voted though the Tories were in favour of Remain and even sent you a personal leaflet telling you which way to vote. The 'far right' have never had any influence over UK government policy - they cannot even get immigration to stop increasing... The 2016 Tory administration was in favour of remain. But the euro-sceptic factions, that did for John Major, had continued to battle and by pushing fear of Ukip, eventually persuaded Cameron to hold an EU referendum for fear of a rebellion among MPs and loss of Tory votes. The ERG and other euro-sceptics eventually ousted May and, eventually, Johnson, and are still pushing Sunak into claiming (minor) successes with immigration. The Home Secretary is obviously kept on because she’s a darling of the Far Right factions. It is the delay in reducing immigration and scrapping EU legislation that keeps the ERG and euro-sceptic that’s keeping Sunak on his toes, and if they’re not happy the current PM may not be in situ after the election, whether the Tories win or lose… |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 6, 2023 21:26:20 GMT
It is now - 6 years after we voted. When we actually voted though the Tories were in favour of Remain and even sent you a personal leaflet telling you which way to vote. The 'far right' have never had any influence over UK government policy - they cannot even get immigration to stop increasing... The 2016 Tory administration was in favour of remain. But the euro-sceptic factions, that did for John Major, had continued to battle and by pushing fear of Ukip, eventually persuaded Cameron to hold an EU referendum for fear of a rebellion among MPs and loss of Tory votes. The ERG and other euro-sceptics eventually ousted May and, eventually, Johnson, and are still pushing Sunak into claiming (minor) successes with immigration. The Home Secretary is obviously kept on because she’s a darling of the Far Right factions. The fear of UKIP was very real - they won the 2014 European Election (the Tories came a miserable 3rd). But I see we are back to this idea of yours that referendums on the EU are a 'Far Right' policy - which will be news to France and Ireland. LOL - you really are away with the fairies Pat. Sunak is implementing record immigration, record tax rates and record public spending - and you think that is him being kept on his toes by the Far Right.. Face it - the Far Right has absolutely no influence on politics in the UK and hasn't had for around 50 years. |
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Post by Vinny on Jun 6, 2023 22:09:19 GMT
The far right are totally unelectable in the UK, unlike in some members of the EU.
Where there is an absence of moderate Euroskeptics the far right thrive.
Where there are moderate Euroskeptics the far right are seen as shite.
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Post by patman post on Jun 7, 2023 8:39:21 GMT
The 2016 Tory administration was in favour of remain. But the euro-sceptic factions, that did for John Major, had continued to battle and by pushing fear of Ukip, eventually persuaded Cameron to hold an EU referendum for fear of a rebellion among MPs and loss of Tory votes. The ERG and other euro-sceptics eventually ousted May and, eventually, Johnson, and are still pushing Sunak into claiming (minor) successes with immigration. The Home Secretary is obviously kept on because she’s a darling of the Far Right factions. The fear of UKIP was very real - they won the 2014 European Election (the Tories came a miserable 3rd). But I see we are back to this idea of yours that referendums on the EU are a 'Far Right' policy - which will be news to France and Ireland. LOL - you really are away with the fairies Pat. Sunak is implementing record immigration, record tax rates and record public spending - and you think that is him being kept on his toes by the Far Right.. Face it - the Far Right has absolutely no influence on politics in the UK and hasn't had for around 50 years. Higher tax and interest rates are currently hitting the lower paid the hardest. Proposals to cut tax rate for the higher paid is proposed with the argument it will bring increased revenue — an argument used for at least two decades by the Tory Right. LONDON (Reuters) -British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said on Monday his plan to stop migrants arriving in small boats reduced crossings by 20%, an update he hopes will ease criticism from his party and in the country over immigration policy.uk.style.yahoo.com/uk-pm-sunak-says-small-101456972.htmli guess we have to make our own minds up over whether Sunak’s claim is correct, and his reason for making it… |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 7, 2023 11:53:56 GMT
The fear of UKIP was very real - they won the 2014 European Election (the Tories came a miserable 3rd). But I see we are back to this idea of yours that referendums on the EU are a 'Far Right' policy - which will be news to France and Ireland. LOL - you really are away with the fairies Pat. Sunak is implementing record immigration, record tax rates and record public spending - and you think that is him being kept on his toes by the Far Right.. Face it - the Far Right has absolutely no influence on politics in the UK and hasn't had for around 50 years. Higher tax and interest rates are currently hitting the lower paid the hardest. Proposals to cut tax rate for the higher paid is proposed with the argument it will bring increased revenue — an argument used for at least two decades by the Tory Right. What has that to do with the Far Right? - the Laffer curve is a basic principle of taxation, the only argument is where the peaks sits. There is nothing right-wing or left-wing about it. It's like claiming that gravity is far right..  |
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