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Post by oracle75 on May 27, 2023 9:21:51 GMT
One of the best things about Brexit was said to be that creating shortages by sending non UK citizens home was that this would raise the wages of bona fide British employees. And cut immigration.
So 6 years on, the Brexit government is offering 10,000 pounds each of taxpayers' to those teachers outside the EU to come to teach in state schools. The ones run by the government. The applicants have not been trained to agreed standards.
WHILE REFUSING TO RAISE TEACHERS WAGES. And failing to cut immigration.
You couldnt make it up.
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Post by oracle75 on May 28, 2023 7:30:24 GMT
So not one of the Brexit Boostbuffoons have anything to say about the stupidity of objecting to freedom of movement and equal recognition of qualifications that used to welcome European teachers,carers and health workers, and then because there is a serious lack of personnel in health, care and education, end up PAYING people from the other side of the world to go to the UK to fill serious vacancies.
Did you really think that demand would stop if the supply of immigrants stopped??
Thay what you got for free would now have to be paid for?
That if you discourage teachers, nurses etc already trained to an equal standard, you have a large pool of UK ready to fill their absence, forgetting that it takes years to train such people, and who will bear the cost of training of core workers? Either they take out huge loans on a rising interest cost or depend on Mum and Dad so that the poorer element of the community cant enter the profession?
Of all the stupid ideas presented as a bonus, the one about abolishing freedom of movement was up there with the worst.
Have wages gone up???
There are thousands of jobs available and millions of people working two or three jobs and still struggle to pay their ballooning bills. That doesnt tell me wages have gone up.
As for recruiting teachers from Africa and the Far East, there is no guarantee of the level of qualification as there was in FOM and any teacher from outside the UK will be astonished at the behaviour of students. They will be on the first flight home even if it takes hours to get out of the airprt.
Now do any of you Brexit Martyrs have the balls to admit you really fucked up when you believed the bullshit that described a mythical future?
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Post by Pacifico on May 28, 2023 10:41:51 GMT
The scheme is open to teachers from EU nations as well.
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Post by oracle75 on May 28, 2023 12:52:14 GMT
The scheme is open to teachers from EU nations as well. So instead od freedom of movement allowing teachers to come from the EU FREE, the government is now promising 10,000 pounds each to go to the UK. Taxpayers must be delighted by this Brexit Bonus |
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Post by Pacifico on May 28, 2023 17:08:58 GMT
The scheme is open to teachers from EU nations as well. So instead od freedom of movement allowing teachers to come from the EU FREE, the government is now promising 10,000 pounds each to go to the UK. Taxpayers must be delighted by this Brexit Bonus Did they come? |
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Post by Bentley on May 28, 2023 18:37:21 GMT
The scheme is open to teachers from EU nations as well. So instead od freedom of movement allowing teachers to come from the EU FREE, the government is now promising 10,000 pounds each to go to the UK. Taxpayers must be delighted by this Brexit Bonus Not just teachers was it? |
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Post by oracle75 on May 28, 2023 20:35:03 GMT
It seems to me that instead of the constantly promised reduction of free available imported labour due to squeezing the supply of labour promised by brexiteers, the UK now has to pay people from the other side of the world with god knows what qualifications to come and teach British children
And at the same time deny British teachers a pay rise.
Would it not be more "brexit" to pay UK Pstudents 10,000 pounds each to help them pay for uni and post grad teacher training???
Whatever happened to "training our own"?
One of the great mantras of Brexit sovereignty??
Or was it another Brexit bullshitlie?
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Post by Pacifico on May 28, 2023 21:28:49 GMT
It seems to me that instead of the constantly promised reduction of free available imported labour due to squeezing the supply of labour promised by brexiteers, the UK now has to pay people from the other side of the world with god knows what qualifications to come and teach British children And at the same time deny British teachers a pay rise. Would it not be more "brexit" to pay UK Pstudents 10,000 pounds each to help them pay for uni and post grad teacher training??? Whatever happened to "training our own"? One of the great mantras of Brexit sovereignty?? Or was it another Brexit bullshitlie? I'm struggling to see what you are complaining about. Teachers from the EU never had to leave in the first place and any that want to come now are automatically allowed entry. So as effectively there is absolutely no difference between when we were in the EU and now that we are not, what exactly is your complaint?. Are you saying that EU teachers should not be allowed in? |
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Post by oracle75 on May 29, 2023 6:43:58 GMT
Wow are you struggling to defend this one
Put as simply as I can
Before Brexit they came at no cost to the UK.
Now they cost 10,000 pounds each.
And please stop the attempt to divert the issue which is not whether i like foreign teachers.
The issue is that what used to cost the taxpayer nothing to train is now costing potentially millions of pounds that COULD have gone to increasing the wages of teachers, now desperately needed and were told a shortage would increase their wages.
When someone is repeatedly told by the media that they are unnecessary and a barrier to the welfare of British economic structure, they go home and find work elsewhere. Who wants to go through all that paperwork to go somewhere they were told they werent welcome when they can work anywhere in 27 countries with no bother?
Congratulations. You will now have teachers you have paid for teaching with god knows what qualifications when the government is desperate to raise the standard of education??
One tenet of Brexit was to use the current population to replace what it threw out. But of course the nurses bursaries werent replaced or support for teachers. Instead they are going to non uk people to encourage THEM to go to work in the UK.
Another Brexit success. 😵💫
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Post by Pacifico on May 29, 2023 7:01:54 GMT
Wow are you struggling to defend this one Put as simply as I can Before Brexit they came at no cost to the UK. Now they cost 10,000 pounds each. The £10,000 has been introduced precisely because they were not coming before. Had they come then there would have been no need to introduce the payment. Well now you are on to a different argument. Yes I tend to agree that we should train our own (same with Nurses and Doctors), but as that is not happening in the numbers needed then you have to get them from somewhere else. If you cannot attract them from Europe for free then you have to look further afield - if that requires a quick bung thats life. |
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Post by oracle75 on May 29, 2023 7:16:13 GMT
You had enough before Brexit.
And THEY paid to come.
They went home because of Covid, and if theyvwanted to return, were faced with a mountain of paperwork aand no guarantee of a job.
So they found work outside the UK and inside a far more united and stable set of working conditions.
Now you are begging for any non British teacher to fill the spaces you created.
There is no clearer example of the idiocy of Brexit than this.
Just wait until children are taught UK history by someone from Ghana. I can see the Daily Mail front page now.
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Post by Pacifico on May 29, 2023 7:21:44 GMT
You had enough before Brexit. And THEY paid to come. They went home because of Covid, and if theyvwanted to return, were faced with a mountain of paperwork aand no guarantee of a job. So they found work outside the UK and inside a far more united and stable set of working conditions. Now you are begging for any non British teacher to fill the spaces you created. There is no clearer example of the idiocy of Brexit than this. Just wait until children are taught UK history by someone from Ghana. I can see the Daily Mail front page now. Well we were short of teachers before Covid - if European teachers didnt want to return, even though they were perfectly able to, then something had to change. International recruitment is the obvious choice. |
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Post by buccaneer on May 29, 2023 7:23:33 GMT
Wow are you struggling to defend this one Put as simply as I can Before Brexit they came at no cost to the UK. Now they cost 10,000 pounds each. And please stop the attempt to divert the issue which is not whether i like foreign teachers. The issue is that what used to cost the taxpayer nothing to train is now costing potentially millions of pounds that COULD have gone to increasing the wages of teachers, now desperately needed and were told a shortage would increase their wages. When someone is repeatedly told by the media that they are unnecessary and a barrier to the welfare of British economic structure, they go home and find work elsewhere. Who wants to go through all that paperwork to go somewhere they were told they werent welcome when they can work anywhere in 27 countries with no bother? Congratulations. You will now have teachers you have paid for teaching with god knows what qualifications when the government is desperate to raise the standard of education?? One tenet of Brexit was to use the current population to replace what it threw out. But of course the nurses bursaries werent replaced or support for teachers. Instead they are going to non uk people to encourage THEM to go to work in the UK. Another Brexit success. 😵💫 Stop right there. Unless membership to that behemoth known as the EU was free you may carry on without correcting your bluster. There was significant cost in fact to being a member of a political and economic union. |
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Post by oracle75 on May 29, 2023 8:02:08 GMT
Totally irrelevant.
And
The EU has no aegis over member nations education policies.
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Post by Vinny on May 29, 2023 8:15:25 GMT
After the rebate it was costing £9.5bn a year, which taking into account inflation, would be £12.5bn a year had we stayed in. The additional problems of reduced exports, compared to now would have us being £100bn a year worse off if we had stayed in and that means we'd be in a severe recession right now. But according to EU cultists, it'd be wonderful because we'd be able to live and work in Latvia without a visa...  |
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