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Post by patman post on Jun 5, 2023 9:49:28 GMT
Why would anyone stay in a place where 52% of voters showed them that they weren’t wanted? It’s concerning enough when substantial numbers of Whites are antagonist towards non-Whites — but when a votes shows 52% of their own turned against them, it’s obviously time to go…The fact that the UK voted to leave the EU, which is run by white despots, demonstrates that your lies are just that, lies. Please try reading posts through, otherwise discussion is pointless. The anti-immigration vote was turned into a general anti foreigner vote — don’t you recall the anti Polish and Eastern European outcries, which then expanded to include European hospitality staff…? |
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Post by patman post on Jun 5, 2023 10:04:50 GMT
Why would anyone stay in a place where 52% of voters showed them that they weren’t wanted?
It’s concerning enough when substantial numbers of Whites are antagonist towards non-Whites — but when a votes shows 52% of their own turned against them, it’s obviously time to go… You are confusing the EU with Europe again. And as the UK is just about the least racist country in Europe your other point is daft. I’m confusing nothing. Brexit was achieved by motivating a significant proportion of voters against the number of foreigners of all ethnicities and nationalities who were in the UK. My own experience of several European countries is that some in the east are generally more racist but, apart from Italy, people in countries in the west and north are about the same or slightly less so than the UK… |
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 5, 2023 10:15:40 GMT
You are confusing the EU with Europe again. And as the UK is just about the least racist country in Europe your other point is daft. I’m confusing nothing. Brexit was achieved by motivating a significant proportion of voters against the number of foreigners of all ethnicities and nationalities who were in the UK. My own experience of several European countries is that some in the east are generally more racist but, apart from Italy, people in countries in the west and north are about the same or slightly less so than the UK… Tell that to black football players in France, Spain and Italy who get monkey noises directed at them. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jun 5, 2023 10:58:38 GMT
Well i havent heard of much racial unrest in lichtenstein, estonia, switzerland, monaco, finland, luxembourg, malta and latvia. Unrest is as often religious...ireland, italy, poland and hungary, croatia,slovenia. The UK is one of the more xenophobic countries described by both race and religion. Proven by understanding that anyone not born in the UK is "other" and was a huge message of "not welcome "which was so popular in the Brexit mix. No - racism and xenophobia is rampant across Europe (you should know that living in France). The UK is almost the least racist country on the continent - even the EU admits that. We are one of the few European countries that does not have a far-right political party in power at any level. Something to be proud of I'm sure you will agree. Whatever you want to believe When yoi live in a city which has changed nationality three time in the last 100 years and has happily accepted a blend of both without prejudice, you might think differently. |
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Post by patman post on Jun 5, 2023 11:13:13 GMT
I’m confusing nothing. Brexit was achieved by motivating a significant proportion of voters against the number of foreigners of all ethnicities and nationalities who were in the UK. My own experience of several European countries is that some in the east are generally more racist but, apart from Italy, people in countries in the west and north are about the same or slightly less so than the UK… Tell that to black football players in France, Spain and Italy who get monkey noises directed at them. And that doesn't happen in the UK?
I suggest it's a such constant background that it's not registering with you...
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 5, 2023 11:22:57 GMT
You are confusing the EU with Europe again. And as the UK is just about the least racist country in Europe your other point is daft. I’m confusing nothing. Brexit was achieved by motivating a significant proportion of voters against the number of foreigners of all ethnicities and nationalities who were in the UK. My own experience of several European countries is that some in the east are generally more racist but, apart from Italy, people in countries in the west and north are about the same or slightly less so than the UK… Are you black? - if not what does your experience add to the discussion? Why not just listen to those who are affected? - their experience is that the UK is about the least racist country in the EU  Being Black in the EU |
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Post by patman post on Jun 5, 2023 11:28:50 GMT
Well i havent heard of much racial unrest in lichtenstein, estonia, switzerland, monaco, finland, luxembourg, malta and latvia. Unrest is as often religious...ireland, italy, poland and hungary, croatia,slovenia. The UK is one of the more xenophobic countries described by both race and religion. Proven by understanding that anyone not born in the UK is "other" and was a huge message of "not welcome "which was so popular in the Brexit mix. No - racism and xenophobia is rampant across Europe (you should know that living in France). The UK is almost the least racist country on the continent - even the EU admits that. We are one of the few European countries that does not have a far-right political party in power at any level.Something to be proud of I'm sure you will agree. No need for Ultra Right or Far Left with antisemitism bugging the Left and anti-immigration and Islamophobia on the Right, both major parties have proved themselves to be "broad churches" when it comes to housing extremist views.
Ukip had been turned to as a more decent home for BNP sympathies in Tunbridge Wells and the shires. But Tory social media activists resurrected Enoch Powell, border control and sovereignty, and lured them back in 2019...
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Post by patman post on Jun 5, 2023 11:35:09 GMT
I’m confusing nothing. Brexit was achieved by motivating a significant proportion of voters against the number of foreigners of all ethnicities and nationalities who were in the UK. My own experience of several European countries is that some in the east are generally more racist but, apart from Italy, people in countries in the west and north are about the same or slightly less so than the UK… Are you black?*** - if not what does your experience add to the discussion? Why not just listen to those who are affected? - their experience is that the UK is about the least racist country in the EU Are you Black?
If not, what does your input add to the discussion? Though I'm not suggesting that decency, empathy and humanity are exclusive to any one ethnicity.
***Actually, yes...
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 5, 2023 11:37:14 GMT
Tell that to black football players in France, Spain and Italy who get monkey noises directed at them. And that doesn't happen in the UK?
I suggest it's a such constant background that it's not registering with you...
Well, if the UK is worse than those countries I mentioned and you love the EU so much, why don't you pack your bags and Foxtrot Oscar? |
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Post by patman post on Jun 5, 2023 11:46:16 GMT
And that doesn't happen in the UK?
I suggest it's a such constant background that it's not registering with you...
Well, if the UK is worse than those countries I mentioned and you love the EU so much, why don't you pack your bags and Foxtrot Oscar? That seems like a typical response of an unthinking reactionary — I had thought better of you.
If you care to read what I posted, I made no comparison about who or which was better or worse. I simply pointed out that the UK was not immune from racism in football (which, for some reason you introduced into the debate, not me)...
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 5, 2023 11:51:20 GMT
Well, if the UK is worse than those countries I mentioned and you love the EU so much, why don't you pack your bags and Foxtrot Oscar? That seems like a typical response of an unthinking reactionary — I had thought better of you.
If you care to read what I posted, I made no comparison about who or which was better or worse. I simply pointed out that the UK was not immune from racism in football (which, for some reason you introduced into the debate, not me)...
Only because in your experience the UK was slightly more racist than Western European nations. Racism is rife in the football over there. Like a throwback to the UK in the 70's and 80's. I also note you didn't comment on the graph Pacifico posted one conducted by the EU who found the UK the least racist country in the EU. |
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Post by Vinny on Jun 5, 2023 11:54:51 GMT
The UK is one of the most tolerant and one of the least racist countries on the planet.
We didn't vote out of a hatred of foreigners.
We were told by our then PM that he would "reform" the EU.
There were no "reforms".
Then the in campaign, campaigned with "yes the EU needs reform, but we have to be in it to do that".
Being in it had not produced reform.
The behaviour was business as usual from the EU right up until we voted leave.
They hadn't expected it.
They had arrogantly tried to bully us.
Then they tried to bully us again.
Free movement of people is not necessary for free trade, whatsoever.
And opposing it, whilst supporting visa based immigration is not racist.
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Post by Bentley on Jun 5, 2023 12:01:24 GMT
I Polish girl I knew married an Indian guy. She told me that she couldn’t live in Poland now . They insult her and him in the street when they go there .
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Post by patman post on Jun 5, 2023 13:00:54 GMT
That seems like a typical response of an unthinking reactionary — I had thought better of you.
If you care to read what I posted, I made no comparison about who or which was better or worse. I simply pointed out that the UK was not immune from racism in football (which, for some reason you introduced into the debate, not me)...
Only because in your experience the UK was slightly more racist than Western European nations. Racism is rife in the football over there. Like a throwback to the UK in the 70's and 80's. I also note you didn't comment on the graph Pacifico posted one conducted by the EU who found the UK the least racist country in the EU. On my experience, I posted: My own experience of several European countries is that some in the east are generally more racist but, apart from Italy, people in countries in the west and north are about the same or slightly less so than the UK…
You say "over there", but you don't say over where precisely. My observation for football seems valid when I said: in the west and north [racism is] about the same or slightly less so than the UK.
I didn't refer to the graph (though I answered the first question) because it has so many provisos and caveats, plus polling was taken up to seven years ago, I didn't think it added much to today's debate — you obviously disagree...
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 5, 2023 15:57:06 GMT
No - racism and xenophobia is rampant across Europe (you should know that living in France). The UK is almost the least racist country on the continent - even the EU admits that. We are one of the few European countries that does not have a far-right political party in power at any level.Something to be proud of I'm sure you will agree. No need for Ultra Right or Far Left with antisemitism bugging the Left and anti-immigration and Islamophobia on the Right, both major parties have proved themselves to be "broad churches" when it comes to housing extremist views.
Ukip had been turned to as a more decent home for BNP sympathies in Tunbridge Wells and the shires. But Tory social media activists resurrected Enoch Powell, border control and sovereignty, and lured them back in 2019...
You are grasping at straws there - UKIP was never involved in any position of Government in the UK. And as for the Tories and border control you are having a laugh - record numbers of immigrants (legal and illegal) and you think we have the far right imposing border controls? Give your head a wobble..  |
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