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Post by Vinny on May 29, 2023 21:40:56 GMT
I doubt Kim will ever understand. Kim said years ago that the EU facilitated all our trade.  |
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Post by Pacifico on May 29, 2023 21:44:56 GMT
Somehow a leaver is claiming that extending bursaries and training to eligible oversees graduates is a Brexit failure . It is a failure when it was never necessary before Brexit chased the necessary overseas workers including teachers away. How were they chased to go away?. Any already here were free to stay and any who wanted to come were free to come.. The UK cannot force anyone to move here. |
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Post by oracle75 on May 29, 2023 21:45:41 GMT
I doubt Kim will ever understand. Kim said years ago that the EU facilitated all our trade. Very slowly. THIS IS NOT ABOUT TRADE. Now please stop interrupting a subject with irrelevant garbage. |
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Post by Bentley on May 29, 2023 21:47:51 GMT
Somehow a leaver is claiming that extending bursaries and training to eligible oversees graduates is a Brexit failure . It is a failure when it was never necessary before Brexit chased the necessary overseas workers including teachers away. And this is not about trainiing or bursaries. It is a pure bribe to go and teach in the UK. They will have been trained somewhere else, though i have no idea to what level. Will they have studied child development and psychology? How to teach students with learrning difficulties? The requirements of the National Curriculum? In Ghana or Nigeria? One of the fundamental aspects of trade agreements is a requirement of equal capability/working standards whem moving to another country. So a plumber in one country will have to, by law, reach the same standards as one in the UK doing the same job. Not so for non EU countries where the UK hopes to bribe non EU trained residents to teach their children. Is this what Brexit was about? It is about training and bursaries. Nothing to see here , move along. |
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Post by oracle75 on May 29, 2023 21:48:23 GMT
It is a failure when it was never necessary before Brexit chased the necessary overseas workers including teachers away. How were they chased to go away?. Any already here were free to stay and any who wanted to come were free to come.. The UK cannot force anyone to move here. If you could get a job without piles of paperwork, months of waiting and an insecure future, would you stay when you could get s job in a country closer to home and with no hassle? And by the way, no battles with government? |
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Post by Vinny on May 29, 2023 21:48:32 GMT
And one of the first things the British government did was guarantee free settled status to foreigners from the EU.
A very simple application process was introduced.
I know plenty of people from EU countries who have settled status.
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Post by oracle75 on May 29, 2023 21:51:34 GMT
It is a failure when it was never necessary before Brexit chased the necessary overseas workers including teachers away. And this is not about trainiing or bursaries. It is a pure bribe to go and teach in the UK. They will have been trained somewhere else, though i have no idea to what level. Will they have studied child development and psychology? How to teach students with learrning difficulties? The requirements of the National Curriculum? In Ghana or Nigeria? One of the fundamental aspects of trade agreements is a requirement of equal capability/working standards whem moving to another country. So a plumber in one country will have to, by law, reach the same standards as one in the UK doing the same job. Not so for non EU countries where the UK hopes to bribe non EU trained residents to teach their children. Is this what Brexit was about? It is about training and bursaries. Nothing to see here , move along. FFS. Read the OP. It is about luring TRAINED teachers to go to the UK. If you refuse to admit to fact, YOU move along. And dont complain when your tax money goes to the dreaded migrant INSTEAD of training more UK teachers. |
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Post by oracle75 on May 29, 2023 21:53:18 GMT
And one of the first things the British government did was guarantee free settled status to foreigners from the EU. A very simple application process was introduced. I know plenty of people from EU countries who have settled status. Were they paid 10,000 pounds by the state/your tax money, to go to the UK? |
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Post by oracle75 on May 29, 2023 21:59:41 GMT
I dont think i have ever come across such a bunch of desperate liars.
It is like catching a child with chocolate around its mouth refusing to admit it stole the missing bar of Dairy Milk.
Enjoy your Brexit. It isnt nearly over yet.
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Post by Pacifico on May 29, 2023 22:00:15 GMT
How were they chased to go away?. Any already here were free to stay and any who wanted to come were free to come.. The UK cannot force anyone to move here. If you could get a job without piles of paperwork, months of waiting and an insecure future, would you stay when you could get s job in a country closer to home and with no hassle? And by the way, no battles with government? What piles of paperwork? - if they were already here its one form and those wanting to come simply apply for a work visa. Applying for a work visa (and I have had to do it enough times) is not that hard - if Teachers find it insurmountable I would question their capability to be teachers. |
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Post by Bentley on May 29, 2023 22:05:00 GMT
It is about training and bursaries. Nothing to see here , move along. FFS. Read the OP. It is about luring TRAINED teachers to go to the UK. If you refuse to admit to fact, YOU move along. And dont complain when your tax money goes to the dreaded migrant INSTEAD of training more UK teachers. We’ve always lured trained people to come to the UK. We had to indirectly pay for free movement of labour when we were in the EU ,Including the hoards of itinerant untrained workers . Your link is about bursaries and training extended to eligible overseas graduates ….. |
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Post by oracle75 on May 29, 2023 22:05:49 GMT
And the other barriers to teaching in the UK that i mentioned?
Including the ones that mean thousands of UK teachers are leaving the profession anyway?
Maybe the UK should offer THEM 10,000 pounds each to stay.
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Post by oracle75 on May 29, 2023 22:09:09 GMT
FFS. Read the OP. It is about luring TRAINED teachers to go to the UK. If you refuse to admit to fact, YOU move along. And dont complain when your tax money goes to the dreaded migrant INSTEAD of training more UK teachers. We’ve always lured trained people to come to the UK. We had to indirectly pay for free movement of labour when we were in the EU ,Including the hoards of itinerant untrained workers . Your link is about bursaries and training extended to eligible overseas graduates ….. How did you pay for free labour which paid taxes when they arrived? I am not talking about itinerant untrained people who wouldnt have been eligible for any bursaries in the UK. I am talking about what the government is trying to attract. Trained teachers though to what level, who knows. Read tha facts again. |
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Post by Bentley on May 29, 2023 22:13:37 GMT
And the other barriers to teaching in the UK that i mentioned? Including the ones that mean thousands of UK teachers are leaving the profession anyway? Maybe the UK should offer THEM 10,000 pounds each to stay. Maybe the overseas teachers can do a better job and be a bit more durable . Diversity in action too. Looks like a bargain to me . |
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Post by Bentley on May 29, 2023 22:18:30 GMT
We’ve always lured trained people to come to the UK. We had to indirectly pay for free movement of labour when we were in the EU ,Including the hoards of itinerant untrained workers . Your link is about bursaries and training extended to eligible overseas graduates ….. How did you pay for free labour which paid taxes when they arrived? I am not talking about itinerant untrained people who wouldnt have been eligible for any bursaries in the UK. I am talking about what the government is trying to attract. Trained teachers though to what level, who knows. Read tha facts again. Are you saying that the new graduates will be exempt from tax? You do realise that it wasn’t only teachers involved in the free movement of labour ? The government is trying to attract graduates in high priority subjects to train as teachers ,so what ? |
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