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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2023 5:49:18 GMT
" If the police stand by and watch some shoplifters pocketing your goods" do you have any instances where this has happened, I think not. So why is there a difference. Do you think the police and those in charge of the police do not know that 'angry' people will take matters into their own hands when these incidents are occurring? I have said before that I think the 'tactics' of blocking roads is not the right one but my worry is why the police, given they have the power to arrest these people are not doing so. GBNews are 'glorifying' the violence by rewarding the perpetrators. I do not have to have an instance. I was referring to the actuality of breaking the law and how if the law is being broken and you are the victim then the perception of the police allowing law breaking moves into the personal and in effect law breaking against members of the public is always personal to someone. In terms of 'glorifying' violence is that not exactly what all the news channels are doing as regards Ukraine as they applaud brave Ukrainians fighting for their country. Russia effectively broke the law and the Ukrainians defended themselves so that they could go about their business unimpeded by Russia. In teh absence of an international police force they can only take the law into their own hands and fight back. Most people want to go about their daily business unimpeded by JSO and in the absence of a police force actually doing their job then praise for those fighting back is justified. You don't because they don't. Ukraine is a country defending itself from a regressive, oppressive, invasive state and is in no way comparable with members of the public assaulting protesters. Why are the police not doing their job, it is not as if they haven't done it before, that's the question.
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Post by sandypine on Jun 1, 2023 6:54:53 GMT
I do not have to have an instance. I was referring to the actuality of breaking the law and how if the law is being broken and you are the victim then the perception of the police allowing law breaking moves into the personal and in effect law breaking against members of the public is always personal to someone. In terms of 'glorifying' violence is that not exactly what all the news channels are doing as regards Ukraine as they applaud brave Ukrainians fighting for their country. Russia effectively broke the law and the Ukrainians defended themselves so that they could go about their business unimpeded by Russia. In teh absence of an international police force they can only take the law into their own hands and fight back. Most people want to go about their daily business unimpeded by JSO and in the absence of a police force actually doing their job then praise for those fighting back is justified. You don't because they don't. Ukraine is a country defending itself from a regressive, oppressive, invasive state and is in no way comparable with members of the public assaulting protesters. Why are the police not doing their job, it is not as if they haven't done it before, that's the question. OK move the question on. The police are not doing their job despite it being obvious that protestors are breaking the law. What should the long suffering public do? Allow people to do die who cannot get to hospital, lose jobs because they are late, lose contracts because they are unfulfilled, leave young children unattended because they cannot be collected. These are all risks we undertake in life in the normal course of events but if some protestor is deliberately blocking your way and increasing that risk by law breaking and those tasked with stopping law breakers are ignoring them what are the choices for the public? You seem to suggest we just suck it up, grin and bear it. That time passed a few months ago. Perhaps this outcome is what is desired, divide and rule etc. Who knows. What is clear is currently the situation is unacceptable to the public and our government through the police are adopting a strange position and making new laws that are in reality not needed.
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Post by Toreador on Jun 1, 2023 7:02:23 GMT
I do not have to have an instance. I was referring to the actuality of breaking the law and how if the law is being broken and you are the victim then the perception of the police allowing law breaking moves into the personal and in effect law breaking against members of the public is always personal to someone. In terms of 'glorifying' violence is that not exactly what all the news channels are doing as regards Ukraine as they applaud brave Ukrainians fighting for their country. Russia effectively broke the law and the Ukrainians defended themselves so that they could go about their business unimpeded by Russia. In teh absence of an international police force they can only take the law into their own hands and fight back. Most people want to go about their daily business unimpeded by JSO and in the absence of a police force actually doing their job then praise for those fighting back is justified. You don't because they don't. Ukraine is a country defending itself from a regressive, oppressive, invasive state and is in no way comparable with members of the public assaulting protesters. Why are the police not doing their job, it is not as if they haven't done it before, that's the question.Why not ask the question of the right people instead of repeating the same question on here?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2023 7:39:01 GMT
You don't because they don't. Ukraine is a country defending itself from a regressive, oppressive, invasive state and is in no way comparable with members of the public assaulting protesters. Why are the police not doing their job, it is not as if they haven't done it before, that's the question. OK move the question on. The police are not doing their job despite it being obvious that protestors are breaking the law. What should the long suffering public do? Allow people to do die who cannot get to hospital, lose jobs because they are late, lose contracts because they are unfulfilled, leave young children unattended because they cannot be collected. These are all risks we undertake in life in the normal course of events but if some protestor is deliberately blocking your way and increasing that risk by law breaking and those tasked with stopping law breakers are ignoring them what are the choices for the public? You seem to suggest we just suck it up, grin and bear it. That time passed a few months ago. Perhaps this outcome is what is desired, divide and rule etc. Who knows. What is clear is currently the situation is unacceptable to the public and our government through the police are adopting a strange position and making new laws that are in reality not needed. The long suffering public, which is only a very, very small percentage of the population should aske why the police are not doing their job despite having the powers, despite the obvious pressures it is putting on those affected. When have I ever "seemed to suggest we suck it up and grin and bear it" I have been asking the question since this topic and prvious topics started. Why are the police not doing their job?
Please don't say it is because they are woke lefty snowflakes, that response has become a bit lame.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2023 7:41:18 GMT
You don't because they don't. Ukraine is a country defending itself from a regressive, oppressive, invasive state and is in no way comparable with members of the public assaulting protesters. Why are the police not doing their job, it is not as if they haven't done it before, that's the question.Why not ask the question of the right people instead of repeating the same question on here? I have written to my MP and have received no reply.
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 1, 2023 7:55:22 GMT
OK move the question on. The police are not doing their job despite it being obvious that protestors are breaking the law. What should the long suffering public do? Allow people to do die who cannot get to hospital, lose jobs because they are late, lose contracts because they are unfulfilled, leave young children unattended because they cannot be collected. These are all risks we undertake in life in the normal course of events but if some protestor is deliberately blocking your way and increasing that risk by law breaking and those tasked with stopping law breakers are ignoring them what are the choices for the public? You seem to suggest we just suck it up, grin and bear it. That time passed a few months ago. Perhaps this outcome is what is desired, divide and rule etc. Who knows. What is clear is currently the situation is unacceptable to the public and our government through the police are adopting a strange position and making new laws that are in reality not needed. The long suffering public, which is only a very, very small percentage of the population should aske why the police are not doing their job despite having the powers, despite the obvious pressures it is putting on those affected. When have I ever "seemed to suggest we suck it up and grin and bear it" I have been asking the question since this topic and prvious topics started. Why are the police not doing their job?
Please don't say it is because they are woke lefty snowflakes, that response has become a bit lame. When did you take a referendum on asking the percentage of the population who are fed up with these eco-zealots? Why are the police not doing their job?
The radical liberal elite (woke) who have taken control of many of the UK's institutions. Whether it's the civil service, public bodies, creative industries, the RAF, Universities or much of the media this radical liberal elite are out of touch with the majority who hold traditionalist values. It has bred a culture where sheeple like you have no idea what common sense is anymore. Long gone are the days of the perpetrator being handed consequences, it's now the victims - ordinary law-abiding citizens who are trying to go about their business who are to blame in the eyes of idiots like you. You folk talk down about populism. It is people like you and the radical liberal elite who gave populism its oxygen in the first place. That is the 'effect' of your radical 'cause' and you bemoan this as something that is innately wrong with people who don't share your radical ideology. Take this as a result of your cultural marxist view point - but don't ever question why there is such a populist counter to this madness: Applicants seeking to join RAF described as 'useless white male pilots' in bid to hit 'impossible' diversity targetsnews.sky.com/story/raf-recruiters-were-advised-against-selecting-useless-white-male-pilots-to-hit-diversity-targets-12893684
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Post by Toreador on Jun 1, 2023 9:30:29 GMT
Why not ask the question of the right people instead of repeating the same question on here? I have written to my MP and have received no reply. Write again and again if necessary, it'll save boring the arse of us posters.
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 1, 2023 9:40:03 GMT
I have written to my MP and have received no reply. Write again and again if necessary, it'll save boring the arse of us posters. I bet the only letter he has written to his MP would be to complain why the 'victim' who moved the protester out the way has not been charged with assault.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2023 9:51:36 GMT
Write again and again if necessary, it'll save boring the arse of us posters. I bet the only letter he has written to his MP would be to complain why the 'victim' who moved the protester out the way has not been charged with assault. Why? I have on a number of occasions been wrong on this forum and apologised when I have been corrected but I have never lied, for you to call me a liar is not debating it is just a typical insult from someone who knows no better.π
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Post by sandypine on Jun 1, 2023 10:06:46 GMT
OK move the question on. The police are not doing their job despite it being obvious that protestors are breaking the law. What should the long suffering public do? Allow people to do die who cannot get to hospital, lose jobs because they are late, lose contracts because they are unfulfilled, leave young children unattended because they cannot be collected. These are all risks we undertake in life in the normal course of events but if some protestor is deliberately blocking your way and increasing that risk by law breaking and those tasked with stopping law breakers are ignoring them what are the choices for the public? You seem to suggest we just suck it up, grin and bear it. That time passed a few months ago. Perhaps this outcome is what is desired, divide and rule etc. Who knows. What is clear is currently the situation is unacceptable to the public and our government through the police are adopting a strange position and making new laws that are in reality not needed. The long suffering public, which is only a very, very small percentage of the population should aske why the police are not doing their job despite having the powers, despite the obvious pressures it is putting on those affected. When have I ever "seemed to suggest we suck it up and grin and bear it" I have been asking the question since this topic and prvious topics started. Why are the police not doing their job?
Please don't say it is because they are woke lefty snowflakes, that response has become a bit lame. You seem to becasue you prefer to criticise a news outlet for having had enough of this nonsense and celebrating the public 'fighting back'. When a white man was attacked by a gang of black men at Waterloo station, there was no condemnation of the attack, there was only praise for the black man who rescued him. The moral compass of the news outlets is skewed and GB is no exception but you only pick on GB. It may only be a small percentage for this particular issue but most issues affect overall a very large percentage of that public in one way or another. Mass immigration affects some, illegal immigration affects some, net zero policies affects many, eco zealots affect some. In general, and I have to say it, lefty snowflakery affects most people in various and varied negative ways.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2023 11:56:24 GMT
You seem to becasue you prefer to criticise a news outlet for having had enough of this nonsense and celebrating the public 'fighting back'. When a white man was attacked by a gang of black men at Waterloo station, there was no condemnation of the attack, there was only praise for the black man who rescued him. The moral compass of the news outlets is skewed and GB is no exception but you only pick on GB. It may only be a small percentage for this particular issue but most issues affect overall a very large percentage of that public in one way or another. Mass immigration affects some, illegal immigration affects some, net zero policies affects many, eco zealots affect some. In general, and I have to say it, lefty snowflakery affects most people in various and varied negative ways. Is GBNews a news outlet? "When a white man was attacked by a gang of black men at Waterloo station, there was no condemnation of the attack, there was only praise for the black man who rescued him". Of course there was condemnation it was on a news channel, that's what news channel do, and the "black man that rescued him" was rightly praised because he rescued him. Praising a rescuer is a far cry from praising an aggressor.
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Post by sandypine on Jun 1, 2023 17:28:20 GMT
You seem to becasue you prefer to criticise a news outlet for having had enough of this nonsense and celebrating the public 'fighting back'. When a white man was attacked by a gang of black men at Waterloo station, there was no condemnation of the attack, there was only praise for the black man who rescued him. The moral compass of the news outlets is skewed and GB is no exception but you only pick on GB. It may only be a small percentage for this particular issue but most issues affect overall a very large percentage of that public in one way or another. Mass immigration affects some, illegal immigration affects some, net zero policies affects many, eco zealots affect some. In general, and I have to say it, lefty snowflakery affects most people in various and varied negative ways. Is GBNews a news outlet? "When a white man was attacked by a gang of black men at Waterloo station, there was no condemnation of the attack, there was only praise for the black man who rescued him". Of course there was condemnation it was on a news channel, that's what news channel do, and the "black man that rescued him" was rightly praised because he rescued him. Praising a rescuer is a far cry from praising an aggressor. It is a news outlet, why so doubtful? I recall the incident very well and the reporting of the same by a host of 'outlets. Largely it is not what people report that is teh problem it what they do not report that often creates a different picture.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2023 17:33:07 GMT
Is GBNews a news outlet? "When a white man was attacked by a gang of black men at Waterloo station, there was no condemnation of the attack, there was only praise for the black man who rescued him". Of course there was condemnation it was on a news channel, that's what news channel do, and the "black man that rescued him" was rightly praised because he rescued him. Praising a rescuer is a far cry from praising an aggressor. It is a news outlet, why so doubtful? I recall the incident very well and the reporting of the same by a host of 'outlets. Largely it is not what people report that is teh problem it what they do not report that often creates a different picture. It is more like a right wing magazine. A 'normal' news outlet does not reward the perpetrators of crimes. It is one thing to give an opinion but another to act illegally.
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Post by sandypine on Jun 1, 2023 19:30:02 GMT
It is a news outlet, why so doubtful? I recall the incident very well and the reporting of the same by a host of 'outlets. Largely it is not what people report that is teh problem it what they do not report that often creates a different picture. It is more like a right wing magazine. A 'normal' news outlet does not reward the perpetrators of crimes. It is one thing to give an opinion but another to act illegally. The presenters have opinions and make it clear what those opinions are, it does not stop counter opinions being aired in debate. Perhaps if the police were actually doing their job of ensuring the King's Highway was free from obstruction as legislated by the representatives of the people then their would be no need to applaud those taking the law into their own hands. If we are discussing News Outlets being partisan as regards law breakers then the Colston statue incident is a veritable cornucopia of hero worship of lawbreakers by a News Outlet.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2023 6:10:37 GMT
It is more like a right wing magazine. A 'normal' news outlet does not reward the perpetrators of crimes. It is one thing to give an opinion but another to act illegally. The presenters have opinions and make it clear what those opinions are, it does not stop counter opinions being aired in debate. Perhaps if the police were actually doing their job of ensuring the King's Highway was free from obstruction as legislated by the representatives of the people then their would be no need to applaud those taking the law into their own hands. If we are discussing News Outlets being partisan as regards law breakers then the Colston statue incident is a veritable cornucopia of hero worship of lawbreakers by a News Outlet. If the presenters express their opinion on a NEWS channel then it is not a NEWS channel it is a Magazine. Unless a person fears for their safety or the safety of others then "taking the law into their own hands" is illegal. Opinions on any show are hard to 'hide' there is always an undercurrent of 'bias' but to reward violence oversteps that bias line.
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