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Post by Bentley on Nov 1, 2022 0:24:37 GMT
Yet another strawman. If you were employing anyone, would you rather have 2 who knew what they were doing or ten that didn't? Numbers of police make no difference if they are left to get on with their jobs rather than being persuaded to act like pricks by the usual woke brigade.
 Oh Jonksy you do tell them  That’s a bit unfair imo. You can have wall to wall coppers but if they are not focussed on what the public expects ie protecting the public from criminals then they are as useless as no coppers at all. Imo the police ‘ service’ doesn’t differentiate between the victims and perpetrators as much as it should . |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 1, 2022 0:29:34 GMT
'Numbers of police make no difference'
Oh Jonksy you do tell them That’s a bit unfair imo. You can have wall to wall coppers but if they are not focussed on what the public expects ie protecting the public from criminals then they are as useless as no coppers at all. Imo the police ‘ service’ doesn’t differentiate between the victims and perpetrators as much as it should . Thanks to the the woke lefts wokism and the bloody HR most police officers are stuck behind a desk rather than doing the job they are employed for. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 1, 2022 0:38:06 GMT
That’s a bit unfair imo. You can have wall to wall coppers but if they are not focussed on what the public expects ie protecting the public from criminals then they are as useless as no coppers at all. Imo the police ‘ service’ doesn’t differentiate between the victims and perpetrators as much as it should . Thanks to the the woke lefts wokism and the bloody HR most police officers are stuck behind a desk rather than doing the job they are employed for. The Southend coppers in the 60s wore a white helmet and had to be over 6 feet tall. I got a punch in the gut for smiling at one when I was 15. It hurt..lots . They had this thing about taking away the show laces from London Yobs and driving them out to a place called Wallasey Island , giving them a pasting and leaving them there to walk about 7 miles to Southend and eventually get home . Terrible eh? There is no such thing as the Southend branch now . Most of the coppers I see now are quite small and too many are fat Lesbians . Not being homophobic but I would fancy my chances now with one of the fat Lesbians but I know that my fight with the white helmet Southend copper of yesteryear wouldn’t last long . The question is , who were the best coppers? The 6ft lump , possibly ex military or the fat Lesbian? Answers on a postcard.. |
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Post by Handyman on Nov 1, 2022 8:03:08 GMT
The height restriction for Police was reduced in the late 60's and 70's to 5ft 8ins for men and 5ft 4ins for female Officers in order to increase the numbers of recruits, in the 90's height restriction were abolished completely because it was classed as discrimination
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Post by Bentley on Nov 1, 2022 8:41:17 GMT
The height restriction for Police was reduced in the late 60's and 70's to 5ft 8ins for men and 5ft 4ins for female Officers in order to increase the numbers of recruits, in the 90's height restriction were abolished completely because it was classed as discrimination Missed the point ? |
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Post by Steve on Nov 1, 2022 12:00:34 GMT
'Numbers of police make no difference'
Oh Jonksy you do tell them That’s a bit unfair imo. You can have wall to wall coppers but if they are not focussed on what the public expects ie protecting the public from criminals then they are as useless as no coppers at all. Imo the police ‘ service’ doesn’t differentiate between the victims and perpetrators as much as it should . remember Jonksy ludicrously said numbers make no difference Yes of course focus matters and yes of course a small % of police time is wasted on strange activities but when you fundamentally don't have enough police to attend burglaries even days after the event then we have gone well past the tipping point and Jonksy is in absurd denial. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2022 13:00:23 GMT
That’s a bit unfair imo. You can have wall to wall coppers but if they are not focussed on what the public expects ie protecting the public from criminals then they are as useless as no coppers at all. Imo the police ‘ service’ doesn’t differentiate between the victims and perpetrators as much as it should . remember Jonksy ludicrously said numbers make no difference Yes of course focus matters and yes of course a small % of police time is wasted on strange activities but when you fundamentally don't have enough police to attend burglaries even days after the event then we have gone well past the tipping point and Jonksy is in absurd denial. Jonksy actually posted: "Numbers of police make no difference if they are left to get on with their jobs rather than being persuaded to act like pricks by the usual woke brigade." So you are misrepresenting him to try to score points. It's dishonest debating. Labour introduced unwarranted Police personnel which was a serious mistake IMO. At that time they needed more fully warranted officers. Labour then started to try to fog the police numbers by calling them all "Police Officers". Police numbers should rise with the number of people in the population. 1 officer per 400 population would be a reasonable starting point. |
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Post by Steve on Nov 1, 2022 14:02:23 GMT
So if there was just one policeman in the whole country then all would be fine even if he was very focused?
Of course not so the tasking focus is one factor but the numbers are very much the major one so it is perfectly fair to isolate that assertion and challenge it
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Post by johnofgwent on Nov 1, 2022 15:11:22 GMT
The height restriction for Police was reduced in the late 60's and 70's to 5ft 8ins for men and 5ft 4ins for female Officers in order to increase the numbers of recruits, in the 90's height restriction were abolished completely because it was classed as discrimination I did not know that. This seems the height of stupidity second only to putting PSCO ‘hobby bobbies’ on duties including patrolling streets where fights break out in pubs the law says they are now too young to enter. Look. I understand entirely it’s not a height thing really. My six foot three mate had a five foot two girlfriend who whilst five foot two elfin and petite was also a god only knows how many dans instructor in a less publicised school of karate and if you absolutely HAD to clear a street of a hundred thugs and all you had was a pickaxe handle and her, she’d refuse the pickaxe handle as it would slow her down. But wearing that uniform is surely far more to do with the first impression than the equally necessary skills to back it up. You can’t defuse everything no mind how much you would like to and that means surely you have to LOOK like someone chancing it was rolling some very dodgy dice indeed. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 1, 2022 15:19:39 GMT
So if there was just one policeman in the whole country then all would be fine even if he was very focused? Of course not so the tasking focus is one factor but the numbers are very much the major one so it is perfectly fair to isolate that assertion and challenge it Where did anyone state that FFS? |
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Post by Steve on Nov 1, 2022 15:49:08 GMT
So if there was just one policeman in the whole country then all would be fine even if he was very focused? Of course not so the tasking focus is one factor but the numbers are very much the major one so it is perfectly fair to isolate that assertion and challenge it Where did anyone state that FFS? It's a test case to see if your "Numbers of police make no difference if they are left to get on with their jobs rather than being persuaded to act like pricks by the usual woke brigade.' assertion had any merit and it failed it. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 1, 2022 17:19:06 GMT
That’s a bit unfair imo. You can have wall to wall coppers but if they are not focussed on what the public expects ie protecting the public from criminals then they are as useless as no coppers at all. Imo the police ‘ service’ doesn’t differentiate between the victims and perpetrators as much as it should . remember Jonksy ludicrously said numbers make no difference Yes of course focus matters and yes of course a small % of police time is wasted on strange activities but when you fundamentally don't have enough police to attend burglaries even days after the event then we have gone well past the tipping point and Jonksy is in absurd denial. Just add ‘ if applied incorrectly’ then. You knew he never claimed that 1000 coppers are never any better than 1. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 1, 2022 17:25:05 GMT
The height restriction for Police was reduced in the late 60's and 70's to 5ft 8ins for men and 5ft 4ins for female Officers in order to increase the numbers of recruits, in the 90's height restriction were abolished completely because it was classed as discrimination I did not know that. This seems the height of stupidity second only to putting PSCO ‘hobby bobbies’ on duties including patrolling streets where fights break out in pubs the law says they are now too young to enter. Look. I understand entirely it’s not a height thing really. My six foot three mate had a five foot two girlfriend who whilst five foot two elfin and petite was also a god only knows how many dans instructor in a less publicised school of karate and if you absolutely HAD to clear a street of a hundred thugs and all you had was a pickaxe handle and her, she’d refuse the pickaxe handle as it would slow her down. But wearing that uniform is surely far more to do with the first impression than the equally necessary skills to back it up. You can’t defuse everything no mind how much you would like to and that means surely you have to LOOK like someone chancing it was rolling some very dodgy dice indeed. We all know a small character who can overpower some large characters . There is always an exception to the rule. A big copper will have more chance of putting off the bad boys too, the small one will have to prove he’s the exception to the rule when it’s too late. I deliberately use the word ‘ he’ because the number of females who can prevail against large men is too rare to be significant . |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 1, 2022 17:33:50 GMT
Where did anyone state that FFS? It's a test case to see if your "Numbers of police make no difference if they are left to get on with their jobs rather than being persuaded to act like pricks by the usual woke brigade.' assertion had any merit and it failed it. Grow up FFS you couldn't even answer the simple question of would you prefer to employ 2 people who knew what they were doing or 10 that didn't? |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 1, 2022 17:36:18 GMT
It's a test case to see if your "Numbers of police make no difference if they are left to get on with their jobs rather than being persuaded to act like pricks by the usual woke brigade.' assertion had any merit and it failed it. Grow up FFS you couldn't even answer the simple question of would you prefer to employ 2 people who knew what they were doing or 10 that didn't? I think every other person on the planet except one would understand …ffs |
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