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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 31, 2022 12:10:29 GMT
I think there's only one person seriously arguing that.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Nov 1, 2022 4:22:57 GMT
]It was his property to trash. He took offence at the pro invasion propaganda being posted on his site and did not want his property to be a platform for it. He made the rules, which people broke. Not your position to complain. Fox trashed 19 years of other people’s intellectual property on a platform that had some stability and longevity. He could have chosen to delete the parts of posts that broke Forum Rules … including your incitements to violence. He chose to trash the whole archive. There was no “pro invasion propaganda” … just reasoned argument why Putin was forced to invade Eastern Ukraine … ————————— People justifying VANDALISM here are Luddites wittingly/unwittingly giving approval to powerful totalitarian Globalists - permission to trash ordinary Public’s commentary on World events, science and criticism of Authority … very relevant today as we struggle for justice in this troubled World. Stop supporting CENSORSHIP! … Stop eroding our FREEDOMS OF EXPRESSION! My personal archive loss is a minute part of the Archive … and of little significance to the general point I am making here. Lewis and Cartertonian’s silence here PROVES this was a CONSPIRACY. … The reasoning behind the closure was all FAKED. |
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Post by Toreador on Nov 1, 2022 6:54:56 GMT
]It was his property to trash. He took offence at the pro invasion propaganda being posted on his site and did not want his property to be a platform for it. He made the rules, which people broke. Not your position to complain. Fox trashed 19 years of other people’s intellectual property on a platform that had some stability and longevity. He could have chosen to delete the parts of posts that broke Forum Rules … including your incitements to violence. He chose to trash the whole archive. There was no “pro invasion propaganda” … just reasoned argument why Putin was forced to invade Eastern Ukraine … ————————— People justifying VANDALISM here are Luddites wittingly/unwittingly giving approval to powerful totalitarian Globalists - permission to trash ordinary Public’s commentary on World events, science and criticism of Authority … very relevant today as we struggle for justice in this troubled World. Stop supporting CENSORSHIP! … Stop eroding our FREEDOMS OF EXPRESSION! My personal archive loss is a minute part of the Archive … and of little significance to the general point I am making here. Lewis and Cartertonian’s silence here PROVES this was a CONSPIRACY. … The reasoning behind the closure was all FAKED. The closure of PoFo is very similar to Brexit, you are not about to change anything by ranting away; I'd be surprised if Lewis and Carty knew that much about Fox. |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 1, 2022 9:17:14 GMT
Dubdrifter, Ukraine was invaded.
Sword's support for the invasion offended Fox.
He didn't know how many were posting in support of the invasion and simply shut down his site, he gave people fair warning, he could have done it at any time.
It was his site to close, nobody's stopping you opening your own, which you will control.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Nov 1, 2022 9:28:24 GMT
Fox trashed 19 years of other people’s intellectual property on a platform that had some stability and longevity. He could have chosen to delete the parts of posts that broke Forum Rules … including your incitements to violence. He chose to trash the whole archive. There was no “pro invasion propaganda” … just reasoned argument why Putin was forced to invade Eastern Ukraine … ————————— People justifying VANDALISM here are Luddites wittingly/unwittingly giving approval to powerful totalitarian Globalists - permission to trash ordinary Public’s commentary on World events, science and criticism of Authority … very relevant today as we struggle for justice in this troubled World. Stop supporting CENSORSHIP! … Stop eroding our FREEDOMS OF EXPRESSION! My personal archive loss is a minute part of the Archive … and of little significance to the general point I am making here. Lewis and Cartertonian’s silence here PROVES this was a CONSPIRACY. … The reasoning behind the closure was all FAKED. . Sorry, … thought I was putting a valid argument passionately … with evidence in my thread here … Is that different to ranting? Can you explain the similarities to the Brexit situation … some are struggling to see the analogy? Having chosen to create a new identity here … and whitewash your past … maybe some have no history on the old Forum worth preserving? As a guy who loves history … I like to trawl back through the memoirs of ordinary people caught up in extraordinarily turbulent times. Who knows what relationship Lewis and Carty had with Fox? … and what behind-the-scenes relationships they had with some Forum Members within their Inner Council? If Carty had gathered a consortium of Members and organised the buying of the site when it was offered to him by Fox … then my guess is this precious Archive wouldn’t have been ‘lost’. … also not hard to guess this Archive is still preserved in computer memory banks somewhere in the UK or American/Russian Deep State archives … and might be retrieved one day. This Forum attracted considerable v. Interesting CENSORSHIP from Google … (showing how relevant and effective it’s writers were attacking the damaging Globalist Agenda).Lewis and Carty have had ample opportunity to set the record straight here and on the other Forum as shutdown loomed. I was disappointed they expended no energy to save the platform ( that was visible to Members) … but I hope their silence here and now doesn’t have sinister implications suggesting they have been threatened into silence … or removed in some way from further comment on this new space. It appears Lewis might be in temporary/permanent(?) retirement …but Carty created a Membership here … so maybe he will post in future? …. We hope so. Some day he will have to face questions over what happened?? 🤔 … probably best to set the record straight early on … ?? |
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Post by Toreador on Nov 1, 2022 12:18:20 GMT
The closure of PoFo is very similar to Brexit, you are not about to change anything by ranting away; I'd be surprised if Lewis and Carty knew that much about Fox. Sorry, … thought I was putting a valid argument passionately … with evidence in my thread here … Is that different to ranting? Can you explain the similarities to the Brexit situation … some are struggling to see the analogy? Having chosen to create a new identity here … and whitewash your past … maybe some have no history on the old Forum worth preserving? As a guy who loves history … I like to trawl back through the memoirs of ordinary people caught up in extraordinarily turbulent times. Who knows what relationship Lewis and Carty had with Fox? … and what behind-the-scenes relationships they had with some Forum Members within their Inner Council? If Carty had gathered a consortium of Members and organised the buying of the site when it was offered to him by Fox … then my guess is this precious Archive wouldn’t have been ‘lost’. … also not hard to guess this Archive is still preserved in computer memory banks somewhere in the UK or American/Russian Deep State archives … and might be retrieved one day. This Forum attracted considerable v. Interesting CENSORSHIP from Google … (showing how relevant and effective it’s writers were attacking the damaging Globalist Agenda).Lewis and Carty have had ample opportunity to set the record straight here and on the other Forum as shutdown loomed. I was disappointed they expended no energy to save the platform ( that was visible to Members) … but I hope their silence here and now doesn’t have sinister implications suggesting they have been threatened into silence … or removed in some way from further comment on this new space. It appears Lewis might be in temporary/permanent(?) retirement …but Carty created a Membership here … so maybe he will post in future? …. We hope so. Some day he will have to face questions over what happened?? 🤔 … probably best to set the record straight early on … ?? Did it ever occur to you that in addition to the reason for closure given by Fox, he may also not have wanted to finance it? Now just be quiet, you are going nowhere with this other than maybe getting banned for persistence. |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 1, 2022 14:51:12 GMT
Sorry, … thought I was putting a valid argument passionately … with evidence in my thread here … Is that different to ranting? Can you explain the similarities to the Brexit situation … some are struggling to see the analogy? Having chosen to create a new identity here … and whitewash your past … maybe some have no history on the old Forum worth preserving? As a guy who loves history … I like to trawl back through the memoirs of ordinary people caught up in extraordinarily turbulent times. Who knows what relationship Lewis and Carty had with Fox? … and what behind-the-scenes relationships they had with some Forum Members within their Inner Council? If Carty had gathered a consortium of Members and organised the buying of the site when it was offered to him by Fox … then my guess is this precious Archive wouldn’t have been ‘lost’. … also not hard to guess this Archive is still preserved in computer memory banks somewhere in the UK or American/Russian Deep State archives … and might be retrieved one day. This Forum attracted considerable v. Interesting CENSORSHIP from Google … (showing how relevant and effective it’s writers were attacking the damaging Globalist Agenda).Lewis and Carty have had ample opportunity to set the record straight here and on the other Forum as shutdown loomed. I was disappointed they expended no energy to save the platform ( that was visible to Members) … but I hope their silence here and now doesn’t have sinister implications suggesting they have been threatened into silence … or removed in some way from further comment on this new space. It appears Lewis might be in temporary/permanent(?) retirement …but Carty created a Membership here … so maybe he will post in future? …. We hope so. Some day he will have to face questions over what happened?? 🤔 … probably best to set the record straight early on … ?? Now just be quiet, you are going nowhere with this other than maybe getting banned for persistence. I offered to take over the financing and hosting of the site. Cartertonian is busy with academia at the moment and does not have much spare time. |
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Post by Paulus de B on Nov 2, 2022 12:48:48 GMT
Can you explain the similarities to the Brexit situation … some are struggling to see the analogy? Having chosen to create a new identity here … and whitewash your past … maybe some have no history on the old Forum worth preserving? As a guy who loves history … I like to trawl back through the memoirs of ordinary people caught up in extraordinarily turbulent times. Who knows what relationship Lewis and Carty had with Fox? … and what behind-the-scenes relationships they had with some Forum Members within their Inner Council? If Carty had gathered a consortium of Members and organised the buying of the site when it was offered to him by Fox … then my guess is this precious Archive wouldn’t have been ‘lost’. … also not hard to guess this Archive is still preserved in computer memory banks somewhere in the UK or American/Russian Deep State archives … and might be retrieved one day. This Forum attracted considerable v. Interesting CENSORSHIP from Google … (showing how relevant and effective it’s writers were attacking the damaging Globalist Agenda).Lewis and Carty have had ample opportunity to set the record straight here and on the other Forum as shutdown loomed. I was disappointed they expended no energy to save the platform ( that was visible to Members) … but I hope their silence here and now doesn’t have sinister implications suggesting they have been threatened into silence … or removed in some way from further comment on this new space. It appears Lewis might be in temporary/permanent(?) retirement …but Carty created a Membership here … so maybe he will post in future? …. We hope so. Some day he will have to face questions over what happened?? 🤔 … probably best to set the record straight early on … ?? It's a shame the forum closed, and the reason given for it was odd: he considered one position on one issue to be beyond the pale after years of tolerating every other position on every other issue. That can't have been the whole story. But to bring in "censorship" and "deep state archives" is ludicrous. Some bloke made an eccentric decsion about a forum he owned, some other bloke has created a sanctuary for the waifs and strays cast adrift thereby. Let's move on. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Nov 3, 2022 8:53:07 GMT
[It's a shame the forum closed, and the reason given for it was odd: he considered one position on one issue to be beyond the pale after years of tolerating every other position on every other issue. That can't have been the whole story. But to bring in "censorship" and "deep state archives" is ludicrous. Some bloke made an eccentric decsion about a forum he owned, some other bloke has created a sanctuary for the waifs and strays cast adrift thereby. Let's move on. Hi Paulus de B … good to see you made it to the new space. Always respected your contributions. I agree with your post-mortem … we are all forced to move on … but premature burial of this rotten censorship programme is a detective exercise too interesting to ignore. (… btw … when I clicked to “quote” you here … your “author” name came up as “bierkabouter”?? … slightly weird? … have you two profile identities on here now?) As I mentioned … we would like to “move on” when we have resolved this Conspiracy Conundrum…. but the CENSORSHIP POSSE have a heavy presence in this building now … not just dressed up as MODERATORS.🤔 Did it ever occur to you that in addition to the reason for closure given by Fox, he may also not have wanted to finance it? Now just be quiet, you are going nowhere with this other than maybe getting banned for persistence. You don’t destroy an Archive and Forum that is v.healthy and has a rapidly growing 5,500+ Membership … if you are short of MONEY … you sell this powerful asset that has brilliant writers attached. Toreador … see my highlight in BOLD … why are you scared of this open enquiry? … why are you telling me to ‘shut up’ and threatening me with CENSORSHIP? …. and a possible ban. You don’t appear on the surface to have Moderator status … and have a new identity here? … Hmmm … maybe you are cut from the same cloth as “Fox” and “Vinny” … he has been exposed in a number of discussions on this new platform … maybe it’s your turn for the ‘spotlight’ interrogation? … care to share your old identity?🤫😎 … and your interests in shutting down certain investigations in this new space?🤔 Looks like there are a few spooks in this building that are ’lying’ in the shadows stirring 💩 .🤣 Looks very Le Carré here now … as revealing as the plot from the ‘Spy who came in from the Cold’ 🥶🥶😎 🤣 |
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 3, 2022 9:03:12 GMT
It's a good job you didn't see the recruitment advert for MI5 a couple of days ago.
Not kidding, there really was an MI5 advert. I clicked on it and it led me to their recruitment page.
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Post by thomas on Nov 3, 2022 10:01:09 GMT
Can you explain the similarities to the Brexit situation … some are struggling to see the analogy? Having chosen to create a new identity here … and whitewash your past … maybe some have no history on the old Forum worth preserving? As a guy who loves history … I like to trawl back through the memoirs of ordinary people caught up in extraordinarily turbulent times. Who knows what relationship Lewis and Carty had with Fox? … and what behind-the-scenes relationships they had with some Forum Members within their Inner Council? If Carty had gathered a consortium of Members and organised the buying of the site when it was offered to him by Fox … then my guess is this precious Archive wouldn’t have been ‘lost’. … also not hard to guess this Archive is still preserved in computer memory banks somewhere in the UK or American/Russian Deep State archives … and might be retrieved one day. This Forum attracted considerable v. Interesting CENSORSHIP from Google … (showing how relevant and effective it’s writers were attacking the damaging Globalist Agenda).Lewis and Carty have had ample opportunity to set the record straight here and on the other Forum as shutdown loomed. I was disappointed they expended no energy to save the platform ( that was visible to Members) … but I hope their silence here and now doesn’t have sinister implications suggesting they have been threatened into silence … or removed in some way from further comment on this new space. It appears Lewis might be in temporary/permanent(?) retirement …but Carty created a Membership here … so maybe he will post in future? …. We hope so. Some day he will have to face questions over what happened?? 🤔 … probably best to set the record straight early on … ?? It's a shame the forum closed, and the reason given for it was odd: he considered one position on one issue to be beyond the pale after years of tolerating every other position on every other issue. That can't have been the whole story. But to bring in "censorship" and "deep state archives" is ludicrous. Some bloke made an eccentric decsion about a forum he owned, some other bloke has created a sanctuary for the waifs and strays cast adrift thereby. Let's move on. im not sure of the full facts behind the story of the forums closure, but i agree with your post for what its worth.
The idea you run a public forum , especially a political one ,and cant handle the views of various members on some topics so decide to close it seems over the top to me.
I dont agree with some peoples posts and what they say , however unpalatable , i will always defend their right to say it.
As you say , one for the old members to debate , and lets all move on with our new forum , and make it a place to enjoy.
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Post by Toreador on Nov 3, 2022 10:29:08 GMT
It's a shame the forum closed, and the reason given for it was odd: he considered one position on one issue to be beyond the pale after years of tolerating every other position on every other issue. That can't have been the whole story. But to bring in "censorship" and "deep state archives" is ludicrous. Some bloke made an eccentric decsion about a forum he owned, some other bloke has created a sanctuary for the waifs and strays cast adrift thereby. Let's move on. im not sure of the full facts behind the story of the forums closure, but i agree with your post for what its worth.
The idea you run a public forum , especially a political one ,and cant handle the views of various members on some topics so decide to close it seems over the top to me.
I dont agree with some peoples posts and what they say , however unpalatable , i will always defend their right to say it.
As you say , one for the old members to debate , and lets all move on with our new forum , and make it a place to enjoy.
It seems no one has considered that Fox may have been under serious pressure to close it, all sorts of agencies watch fora. |
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Post by thomas on Nov 3, 2022 10:58:39 GMT
im not sure of the full facts behind the story of the forums closure, but i agree with your post for what its worth.
The idea you run a public forum , especially a political one ,and cant handle the views of various members on some topics so decide to close it seems over the top to me.
I dont agree with some peoples posts and what they say , however unpalatable , i will always defend their right to say it.
As you say , one for the old members to debate , and lets all move on with our new forum , and make it a place to enjoy.
It seems no one has considered that Fox may have been under serious pressure to close it, all sorts of agencies watch fora. No idea mate, and essentially i dont really care. Whatever the reason , he has closed it down , and here we are.
I just found it incredible that the owner could be so incensed by political views contrary to his own he shut the forum down.
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Post by Toreador on Nov 3, 2022 17:30:37 GMT
It seems no one has considered that Fox may have been under serious pressure to close it, all sorts of agencies watch fora. No idea mate, and essentially i dont really care. Whatever the reason , he has closed it down , and here we are.
I just found it incredible that the owner could be so incensed by political views contrary to his own he shut the forum down.
I think he said that glorifying war was illegal. |
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Post by thomas on Nov 3, 2022 17:47:31 GMT
No idea mate, and essentially i dont really care. Whatever the reason , he has closed it down , and here we are.
I just found it incredible that the owner could be so incensed by political views contrary to his own he shut the forum down.
I think he said that glorifying war was illegal. Who the owner did?
Im not sure how or why its illegal , under which law , and how even if it was you stop it.?
Strange . Anyway as i said , im out. one for the oldies to debate.
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