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Post by Vinny on Nov 3, 2022 18:02:03 GMT
The owner of the old site claimed that he didn't want his site being used as a platform for pro Putin propaganda and said that supporting the invasion of Ukraine and the war crimes that were taking place was a rule 3 violation. He didn't know how many posters were promoting pro Putin propaganda, the only way he could be sure it wouldn't be used for that purpose, was to close it.
I offered to buy the site off him, he refused saying it wasn't about the money.
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Post by thomas on Nov 3, 2022 18:29:54 GMT
The owner of the old site claimed that he didn't want his site being used as a platform for pro Putin propaganda and said that supporting the invasion of Ukraine and the war crimes that were taking place was a rule 3 violation. He didn't know how many posters were promoting pro Putin propaganda, the only way he could be sure it wouldn't be used for that purpose, was to close it. I offered to buy the site off him, he refused saying it wasn't about the money. sounds like a complete pussy if you dont mind me saying.
If you dont like contrary opinons ,dont run adult debating sites is my advice.
I dont and didnt like the BNP and the racist nick griffin. I would however defend to the death his right to have his say.
Only children and high school spotty teenagers want to no platform people.
The bst way to deal with those you dont agree with is get right in about them. As i do with you on the scottish threads
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Post by Vinny on Nov 3, 2022 18:35:36 GMT
Well, Fox lives in Finland, he has relatives in the affected area and the war has affected him greatly. His site, his money and his choice.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Nov 4, 2022 9:59:45 GMT
I offered to take over the financing and hosting of the site. Cartertonian is busy with academia at the moment and does not have much spare time. He’s finished his PhD now … but he’s probably engaged in war duties right now. Dealing with the psychological casualties of SAS/regular troops engaged in covert ops/bombing German gas supply pipelines? Ops around the Russian/Ukraine borders … staging false flag operations to assist the Propaganda War. Whitehall is still manipulating the BBC to sell this dangerous debacle to the British Public … while exposing us and our Country to the great danger of nuclear incineration. Sadly America and Israel have been attacking the UK and it’s Institutions and Monarchy non-stop since 9/11. The ‘Special Relationship’ has been a bullying poodle relationship for decades now … any UK politician that tries to stop foreign interference is soon ousted by the MSM and Dark Forces behind the scenes. Truss didn’t last long … being pro-fracking didn’t save her. The owner of the old site claimed that he didn't want his site being used as a platform for pro Putin propaganda and said that supporting the invasion of Ukraine and the war crimes that were taking place was a rule 3 violation. He didn't know how many posters were promoting pro Putin propaganda, the only way he could be sure it wouldn't be used for that purpose, was to close it. I offered to buy the site off him, he refused saying it wasn't about the money. We’ve already argued on both Forums the logic why this reasoning for shutdown was false and flakey. … yet you failed to answer to that logic … and repeat the false assumption here. Why?? Your interpretation and complaint to Fox was FALSE … yet he didn’t have the intelligence to see through your duplicity. But he was bright enough not to sell the Forum to the real war-monger and Rule 3 violator on the old space …. who is using the same rhetoric here unfortunately. Maybe the Moderators and Admin need to step in immediately and warn Vinny about making death threats in this space … and remove him after a warning. We don’t want to be wasting our time investing our ‘talent’ writing our views here … if it’s all just going to be shut down in a few weeks by Vinny making a complaint to Pro Boards.Well, Fox lives in Finland, he has relatives in the affected area and the war has affected him greatly. His site, his money and his choice. Interesting you seem to have a personal communication link with all the main protagonists in this shut down, Vinny? … If Fox does live in Finland(?) … [ who would take Vinny’s word on anything after what’s happened?😎🤔) …. yet Fox strangely sports a very Soviet persona in his Security Trails profile … (which I’ve already stated could be ‘faked’ easily … and he could just be a sleeper landlord agent in MI5/Mossad/CIA …using the old Forum as ‘spyware’] … why didn’t he follow the narratives and independent info delivered by his own Forum … and try and use his influence to convince Finnish politicians to have a referendum vote …lobbying NOT to join NATO … and put his Country, relatives and People in more danger of invasion and nuclear attack … by having NATO armaments and troops stationed there. Our Forum exposed the duplicity of the Soros Posse and the Bloomberg MSM …. driving their fake narratives into the European MSM…. Fake narratives over who initiated the U. invasion. - It was this exposure that made the Authorities/Deep State both sides of The Pond shut down our Free Speech Forum … and turn to Putinesque CENSORSHIP of these verifiable FACTS. If Fox has scuttled off to Finland … maybe death threats from the CIA and their spook poodles in Whitehall drove him to flee the Country and instigate flakey shutdown? … meanwhile the sources that caused Deep State anger and Totalitarian censorship are still informing the World what is really going on behind the scenes … in this new space.🤣👏👍 Maybe these evil people should just ‘leave the building’ … then we can instigate bringing our troops home … restoring peace and let Zelenski and Putin have Peace Talks and resolve the terrorist problems generated by Azov and CIA interference in Eastern Ukraine. America needs to lock up Soros and Bloomberg … and impeach the Democrat Party for election fraud. Put Republicans back in power … sweep out the Deep State traitors out to destroy America through broken border policies. Job done! 😂👍 It's a good job you didn't see the recruitment advert for MI5 a couple of days ago. Not kidding, there really was an MI5 advert. I clicked on it and it led me to their recruitment page. Why go to the ad to apply? … You might find a Member here who might ‘fast track’ you 😎and give you an ‘insider’ reference.😋👍 … and lets all move on with our new forum , and make it a place to enjoy. [/div][/quote]I hope it comes through in my writing that I am enjoying this new space? This debate is ‘fun’ … and so revealing. Especially the absence of comment from Cartertonian.🤔 …. more on him later …😎
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Post by Vinny on Nov 4, 2022 10:19:24 GMT
When will you get it that the world doesn't revolve around Dubdrifter. There are people with other opinions to yours, people who own forums who are literally sick to their stomach at the sight of people defending Putin.
Fox was utterly disgusted. It was his site to close it and he closed it. People like you, and to a greater extent, Sword and ProVox, caused Pofo's demise with pro Putin pro invasion posts.
If it had been my site, I'd have banned pro invasion posters.
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Post by Toreador on Nov 4, 2022 11:04:42 GMT
I offered to take over the financing and hosting of the site. Cartertonian is busy with academia at the moment and does not have much spare time. He’s finished his PhD now … but he’s probably engaged in war duties right now. Dealing with the psychological casualties of SAS/regular troops engaged in covert ops/bombing German gas supply pipelines? Ops around the Russian/Ukraine borders … staging false flag operations to assist the Propaganda War. Whitehall is still manipulating the BBC to sell this dangerous debacle to the British Public … while exposing us and our Country to the great danger of nuclear incineration. Sadly America and Israel have been attacking the UK and it’s Institutions and Monarchy non-stop since 9/11. The ‘Special Relationship’ has been a bullying poodle relationship for decades now … any UK politician that tries to stop foreign interference is soon ousted by the MSM and Dark Forces behind the scenes. Truss didn’t last long … being pro-fracking didn’t save her. The owner of the old site claimed that he didn't want his site being used as a platform for pro Putin propaganda and said that supporting the invasion of Ukraine and the war crimes that were taking place was a rule 3 violation. He didn't know how many posters were promoting pro Putin propaganda, the only way he could be sure it wouldn't be used for that purpose, was to close it. I offered to buy the site off him, he refused saying it wasn't about the money. We’ve already argued on both Forums the logic why this reasoning for shutdown was false and flakey. … yet you failed to answer to that logic … and repeat the false assumption here. Why?? Your interpretation and complaint to Fox was FALSE … yet he didn’t have the intelligence to see through your duplicity. But he was bright enough not to sell the Forum to the real war-monger and Rule 3 violator on the old space …. who is using the same rhetoric here unfortunately. Maybe the Moderators and Admin need to step in immediately and warn Vinny about making death threats in this space … and remove him after a warning. We don’t want to be wasting our time investing our ‘talent’ writing our views here … if it’s all just going to be shut down in a few weeks by Vinny making a complaint to Pro Boards.Well, Fox lives in Finland, he has relatives in the affected area and the war has affected him greatly. His site, his money and his choice. Interesting you seem to have a personal communication link with all the main protagonists in this shut down, Vinny? … If Fox does live in Finland(?) … [ who would take Vinny’s word on anything after what’s happened?😎🤔) …. yet Fox strangely sports a very Soviet persona in his Security Trails profile … (which I’ve already stated could be ‘faked’ easily … and he could just be a sleeper landlord agent in MI5/Mossad/CIA …using the old Forum as ‘spyware’] … why didn’t he follow the narratives and independent info delivered by his own Forum … and try and use his influence to convince Finnish politicians to have a referendum vote …lobbying NOT to join NATO … and put his Country, relatives and People in more danger of invasion and nuclear attack … by having NATO armaments and troops stationed there. Our Forum exposed the duplicity of the Soros Posse and the Bloomberg MSM …. driving their fake narratives into the European MSM…. Fake narratives over who initiated the U. invasion. - It was this exposure that made the Authorities/Deep State both sides of The Pond shut down our Free Speech Forum … and turn to Putinesque CENSORSHIP of these verifiable FACTS. If Fox has scuttled off to Finland … maybe death threats from the CIA and their spook poodles in Whitehall drove him to flee the Country and instigate flakey shutdown? … meanwhile the sources that caused Deep State anger and Totalitarian censorship are still informing the World what is really going on behind the scenes … in this new space.🤣👏👍 Maybe these evil people should just ‘leave the building’ … then we can instigate bringing our troops home … restoring peace and let Zelenski and Putin have Peace Talks and resolve the terrorist problems generated by Azov and CIA interference in Eastern Ukraine. America needs to lock up Soros and Bloomberg … and impeach the Democrat Party for election fraud. Put Republicans back in power … sweep out the Deep State traitors out to destroy America through broken border policies. Job done! 😂👍 It's a good job you didn't see the recruitment advert for MI5 a couple of days ago. Not kidding, there really was an MI5 advert. I clicked on it and it led me to their recruitment page. Why go to the ad to apply? … You might find a Member here who might ‘fast track’ you 😎and give you an ‘insider’ reference.😋👍 … and lets all move on with our new forum , and make it a place to enjoy. [/div][/quote]I hope it comes through in my writing that I am enjoying this new space? This debate is ‘fun’ … and so revealing. Especially the absence of comment from Cartertonian.🤔
…. more on him later …😎 [/quote] Has it occurred to you that Carty, like most on here, doesn't read your posts.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Nov 5, 2022 7:16:58 GMT
When will you get it that the world doesn't revolve around Dubdrifter. There are people with other opinions to yours, people who own forums who are literally sick to their stomach at the sight of people defending Putin.Fox was utterly disgusted. It was his site to close it and he closed it. People like you, and to a greater extent, Sword and ProVox, caused Pofo's demise with pro Putin pro invasion posts. If it had been my site, I'd have banned pro invasion posters. Vinny, … you are quite welcome to put an effective counter argument to anything I write on this space … and the old one … but you don’t appear to have one that stands up to scrutiny? Hmmm … We are insignificant ticks biting the arse of Authority on this and the previous Forum … The growing ‘traffic’ attracted to the old site and now to this new one … suggests these insignificant bites, which in the past used to come from the MSM, are biting a hole in the arse of this whole fake Western narrative of CNN/BBC lies. The British People deserve to be properly informed of both sides of this Ukraine narrative. … in the same way as they deserved meaty discussions on who was REALLY behind 9/11, the Middle Eastern Energy grab and destabilisation, the Pandemic … even the cover-up about alien visitation and reverse engineering of their very advanced technology. These are all secrets that Deep State wants censored. ….and it looks like you do too! …. Open disclosure and Free Speech isn’t really your thing, … is it? Destroying Archives, Rewriting history in order to spin a web of deceit and push a tired old Agenda that defunds and cripples Humanity …generates cyclical wars … now that is something a McCarthyite like you is renowned for. Charlie Chaplin knew how sick America was becoming … which is why he left and moved to Switzerland. …. Now you and your EU cancer wants to chew Switzerland apart. The World will only see an end to chaos and this World cancer when McCarthyite nutters and their Deep State cartels being funded by Israeli anarchists are flushed out of the Pentagon and put on trial for attacking the U.S. Constitution. Has it occurred to you that Carty, like most on here, doesn't read your posts. Carty wouldn’t have joined this space if he wasn’t interested in reading our posts … especially the only post-mortem thread on the shut down Conspiracy. …. which I deliberately put in an area of the Forum where EVERYONE in the World can read it. … Funny to note … quite a number of people commenting here seem really reluctant to discuss this? … Interesting … isn’t it? … But detective narratives on TV are so popular these days … which is probably why this thread has attracted 817 views, had 65 comments over 5 pages … fairly respectable traffic for a thread in the Fringe section, on a new Forum with only 77 members, eh? When you are a military psychologist, like Carty … you seriously analyse what people are thinking … from all angles. …. I like to chew over fragments of evidence too and build up a picture of events from what people say … and don’t say. In a “Members Poll” on the old Forum a while back, Carty labelled my contributions as “on the edge” … For me … that was the only ‘accolade’ worth having in that list Members were dishing out. It could mean “on the edge” … of Moderation tolerance, political discourse, scientific analysis, sanity … and the boundaries of acceptable modern thinking … I’ll embrace all those interpretations. …. I love the “over view” …. looking down at these fragments that are showing a clear picture correlation with regard to this ‘shutdown mystery’. Others are seeing it too … also smell a rat … and know my intuition and evidence presentation is pretty much ‘on the money’😋 … I’m sure Carty and a few other ‘players’ on here would have stepped up by now … if they had a stronger narrative to spin - with evidence - naturally!😋 [ Footnote: For those who read my Mind Zone stuff on the old space .. I talked about multi-dimensions and the Ether … and how some scientists and artists got ‘inspiration/ideas/innovations’ from the ‘dream world’ … Einstein, Crick and Watson all talk of where their inspiration, their ‘muse’ came from … that period everyday where a person’s ‘consciousness’ becomes slightly detached from our physical bodies and can possibly be manipulated or inspired by visions from another ‘plane’ or ‘ dimension’.
I dream little that is related to my daily life, and wake with little memory of any astral plane travelling that some engage in …. I’m not psychically ‘gifted’ in anyway … future predictions I give are based on evidence accrued … available to anyone who stumbles on it in the right places.
…. so it was slightly weird … yesterday morning around 5am I was drifting in and out of consciousness and I had a dream I was at an outdoor social gathering ( do ex-members remember I proposed such a gathering a couple of times as the old Forum was being extinguished … it surprised me nobody supported the notion - my guess now is because some here are shadow entities😎 linked to secrecy who really aren’t keen to risk their cover being blown mixing with the General Public - especially a few closet anarchists!) … This dream seemed to be members of the old forum at a get-together at a large country house with dropped terraced lawns at the back. I was sat detached from the main party amongst 3 or so individuals … whose identities were unknown … none of us had ID badges giving away our Membership identities. I was discussing with one ex-member in discrete tones the closing of the Forum … he was a medium to stocky build person, white, almost ruggedly Scottish in demeanor, roughly 6ft, 50ish with dark frizzy hair, a beard, probably the odd white fleck in it. … (the beard might have been grown as a disguise for the occasion!) … the way he was talking and reminiscing suddenly rang a bell … I said to him in a hushed tone … you’re C aren’t you? … he looked slightly taken aback his cover was blown … but recovered … and I asked him … revealing I was Dubdrifter … “how accurate was I to reading the Conspiracy shutdown correctly”. … his guarded reply was “ You surmised how it was run and funded correctly” … as the dream dissolved … I thought … that was weird!
Because Carty’s avatar for a long time was Alan Rickman … I always imagined him to be very similar in build and description - and similar in temperament … so how he appeared in this dream was puzzling … and I woke with doubts and a little confusion that Cartertonian looked like the person in the dream.
Maybe he can confirm that - when he finally gets the necessary ‘permissions’ to post here!😋😁
…. My guess is he will never secure those ‘permissions’ … and is just here to ‘observe’.]
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 5, 2022 10:07:39 GMT
Chemtrails are just condensed water.
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Post by colbops on Nov 5, 2022 10:31:26 GMT
Chemtrails are just condensed water. Water is just condensed Water Vapour
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Post by jeg er on Nov 5, 2022 10:34:19 GMT
Nov 4, 2022 11:04:42 GMT Toreador said: Has it occurred to you that Carty, like most on here, doesn't read your posts.
Nov 5, 2022 7:16:58 GMT Dubdrifter said: Carty wouldn’t have joined this space if he wasn’t interested in reading our posts …
You appear to have missed the point. Who said anything about "our posts"? The point was 'what makes you think he reads YOUR posts. I think you have been made aware, and have acknowledged in the past, that many people simply just do not read your posts due to the structure and nature of them. And bearing in mind Carty probably saw your conspiracy comments about him the first time he read them on the old site, why would you think he would waste his time reading the same ones over and over and over again after about 30 odd marathon length threads across two forums later? Especially considering he has already told us that he simply barely spends no time on here as he is extremely busy at work and academia
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 5, 2022 10:42:22 GMT
Chemtrails are just condensed water. Water is just condensed Water Vapour Unless it is melted water solids.
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Post by Vinny on Nov 5, 2022 15:40:05 GMT
Dubdrifter, if you want to know someone, talk to them. You did not talk to Fox, you didn't reason with him. And now you've come up with conspiracy theories about the site he owned and the reasons he closed it.
I spoke to him, I know exactly why he closed it and the pro Putin pro war crap that was being posted on his site, against his wishes and against his rules, is why he closed it.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Nov 5, 2022 18:04:30 GMT
If nobody reads my stuff … why are you still here? At least Montegriffo and a few others got all the way down to my ‘dream’ footnote … 😋 … I thought the tinfoilies would try and make mischief out of that … but I don’t mind at all … At least they learned how Crick and Watson came up with the double helix configuration for DNA. Many problems and mysteries can be resolved if you just sleep on a conundrum. Dubdrifter, if you want to know someone, talk to them. You did not talk to Fox, you didn't reason with him. And now you've come up with conspiracy theories about the site he owned and the reasons he closed it. I spoke to him, I know exactly why he closed it and the pro Putin pro war crap that was being posted on his site, against his wishes and against his rules, is why he closed it. If there was one member who talked repeatedly to Fox … and Lewis and Cartertonian … publicly through the Forum in the last week up to closure … it was me, Vinny … We’re you there towards the end reading the appeals for Library preservation? … or were you quaffing champagne in celebration saying “job done - how easy was that?” What sort of person trashes a Library? … Fox is the Joseph Goebbels of the modern world as far as I am concerned. Those that were there on the Front Line … in the Members Bar on the Closure and Conspiracy threads … and reading my posts addressed to Fox in the Feedback section … know that clearly. Every reasoned argument was thrown at him … but my guess is he wasn’t receptive … because the threat behind the order was v.serious. What he gave you was flannel, Vinny. Nobody bought that story for closure except you. It was a ‘Fait Accompli’ … a done deal already decided … most likely by outside forces or threats too powerful to reverse … however reasoned the argument. But the closure was all for nothing … because the narratives they were so desperate to shut down are just being revisited here … and amplified … gaining even more traction. Nobody can shut down the Truth … it will resurface … delivered by new disciples growing in number daily … clamouring for a new dawn. … like Japanese Knotweed … corrupt liars in the BBC and Government will never win this battle.
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Post by Vinny on Nov 5, 2022 18:11:28 GMT
You had every opportunity to speak out against Russian imperialism, instead your voice joined with the other pro invasion voices.
Who is to blame for creating such a toxic environment on there that Fox closed HIS site? Think long and hard about this, you're in no position to complain about a situation happening that you contributed to causing.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Nov 6, 2022 8:51:38 GMT
You had every opportunity to speak out against Russian imperialism, instead your voice joined with the other pro invasion voices. Who is to blame for creating such a toxic environment on there that Fox closed HIS site? Think long and hard about this, you're in no position to complain about a situation happening that you contributed to causing. Do you know the difference between explaining ‘Putin’s reason for invasion’ … and being ‘PRO-invasion’? … I can’t speak for what others wrote on Ukraine … because I only read a fraction of it … but I know one thing … it was almost 99% anti-war in tone
… except your posts!… I admit to a couple of posts encouraging Putin to selectively ‘take out’ those in the Western Administration engaged in forcing us into a dangerous nuclear conflict ☠️☠️based on NATO lies and false BBC Propaganda churned out by the MOSSAD management that now controls BBC + Government these days. …. Maybe that upset Deep State to shut us down. 😎😂 … talk about being oversensitive SNOWFLAKES … hiding in their DUMBS. 😭😢😭 🙄 …. but that was encouraged purely as a self-preservation initiative to save many British lives and our Environment stuck out in the open all vulnerable … while these Dr Strangelove NUTTERS in NATO played their stooopid insane WAR GAMES.
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