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Post by Dubdrifter on Oct 25, 2022 1:00:48 GMT
After the surprising trashing of PoFo.co.uk … as the site was in it’s last days of operation … I and a few others expressed suspicion of a Conspiracy to deliberately pull down what we thought of as OUR website that had been on a certain I.P Address since 2003. [I’m dropping this discussion into Political - Fringe Meetings … because it needs to be seen by Members and Non-Members/Guests browsing this website … not hidden away by the Management in secret caches of the Forum for Members Only]. As this new website experiences it’s first censored/shutdown thread and one member is already deleted from the database for a violation that needs some OPEN explanation and justification … this seems an opportune moment for Members to explore the Anatomy of the PoliticsForum.co.uk SHUTDOWN … a censorship programme conducted by the same people now operating on here and flexing their muscles. This Conspiracy is “the ELEPHANT in the room that nobody wants to talk about” - which makes it an ideal subject for me to broach (based on evidence naturally) - I hope it will eventually build to be a somewhat revealing cathartic experience with the long serving members closest to Fox, those that communicated with him directly. I assume we can confirm he is male(?), exists as a physical person? …isn’t a shadow entity of a group’s imagination? … or the brainchild of Stella Rimmington … the ex-boss of MI5?… . or her CIA clone equivalent across the Pond😋🤫. www.google.com/search?q=stella+rimington&source=hp&ei=1zJXY8bHFtiO8gKxsaOgCQ&iflsig=AJiK0e8AAAAAY1dA583nQLi963i7IekTwt-QtXDkFbDV&gs_ssp=eJzj4tTP1TcwTMmzMDdg9BIoLknNyUlUKMrMzcxLL8nPAwB_igmI&oq=Stellar+Rimmington&gs_lcp=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-09g7nZoAXAAeACAAWWIAc0KkgEEMTYuMpgBAKABAbABCg&sclient=gws-wizWith me being a relatively new arrival on the old site … others knew Fox better than most of us over the years …hopefully some will now be able to step up to the plate here … particularly Lewis and Cartertonian who had most direct dealings over the years … filling in the gaps … correcting where Theory is forced to take over from FACTS. For people unfamiliar with the old Forum that spawned this one … the “absentee landlord” who posted rarely … used the name ‘Siberian Fox’ … who was he?… where did he come from? … where was he living at the time of the shutdown … which Country is he/she living in now? Was he the person who originally set up the PoliticsForum.co.uk? … developed the website and it’s American sister site from scratch? … Did he develop the code and uncluttered templates that made the site such an easy joy to use? … relatively free of advertising for members that signed up to post. For Members who got a ‘glimpse’ of Fox over the years and have observations on the recent shutdown … this is the thread for you to air your evidence and Theories ,… so we can build up a picture and set the record straight. This Forum needs a solid Foundation of History to gain credibility … it will not get that by obscuring and whitewashing what came before. We all need to pick over the skeletal body of our ‘ancestor’ and analyse why it was ‘murdered’ …Lewis and Cartertonian know “who dunnit” … so I really hope they will be kind enough to post here and fill in crucial details … details they seemed reluctant to air as PoFo.uk was sinking rapidly, … as others scuttled the ship … happy to see the Archive go down … not interested in saving anything. Their silence was deafening … but I understand they were ‘employees’ and were probably bound by some sort of ‘confidentiality agreement’ at that time. Were they paid a ‘redundancy fee’ to secure that ‘confidentiality’ in this new space here? … we will wait and see?🤔 Anyone is free to comment here … I will drop in when I can … I have some new evidence to add to the Conspiracy FACTS I aired on the old forum as it was sinking slowly. In the meantime long term ex-PoFo.uk members can have the floor and share their knowledge and experiences revealing who Fox is, where he came from … did he buy the site from another originator back in 2003 and just put it on the new IP address in 2003 … if so … what did he pay for it … etc etc . Were all the sites he/MI5/CIA-owned truly based in Russia? … or were they set up in the West (possibly from a room in Whitehall/Washington/Pentagon) - and just ghosted a Russian identity … using an early form of VPN? |
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Post by Toreador on Oct 25, 2022 6:50:49 GMT
Do you really think people from that site are overly concerned that it's shut, looking at comments on here there seems to be that they had a free site for all those years and it was up to the owner what he wanted to do. Apart from that, he explained his reason for the decision.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Oct 25, 2022 9:10:34 GMT
Do you really think people from that site are overly concerned that it's shut, looking at comments on here there seems to be that they had a free site for all those years and it was up to the owner what he wanted to do. Apart from that, he explained his reason for the decision. Admittedly, Toreador … there were many ex-members who never started threads that challenged those manipulating our lives in the shadows behind Government … elected representatives that rarely listened to our complaints. Many never crafted a post of real analysis in their whole lifetime on PoFo.uk … so it isn’t any wonder their contributions either didn’t merit a ‘2nd reading’ … and they weren’t interested in preserving an Archive where their ignorance was often all too apparent! I hope you don’t think the flakey reasoning Fox gave for shutting down a quality Forum like PoFo.uk …after 19 years … was solely down to a few posts he scanned after his prolonged absence … where Members were reasoning why “Putin was forced to invade Ukraine”. I don’t recognise your new name, Toreador, being on the old forum … but you appear to know the history of the shutdown and I’m presuming you read my shutdown Conspiracy evidence before it went ‘down with the ship’? Some here will be acutely dismayed that data wasn’t lost. … but rest assured … restoration of the best bits is underway … for those with hazy memories and newcomers to both sites.😋 If you recall … Fox pulled a ‘dirty trick’ on members by taking the sentence “Putin was forced” … out of context … and attached it to phrases like “commit atrocities, murder and bomb civilians.” …. Most members were anti-war posters, and never used it in that context. How do I know? I used the phrase a number of times. Here is the proof Fox twisted these words to create a narrative for ‘shutdown’. Interestingly Tinculin and Vinny … those most prepped for engineering ‘closure’ were both involved in this conversation with me - Dubdrifter. … in the thread titled “Give NATO membership to Ukraine”. If that isn’t Vinny backing American Imperialist expansionism … I don’t know what is!🤣 Tinculin wrote:
Dubdrifter’s reply:
Surely it was the EU and Globalist bullying to take over Energy/Resources in the Eastern Block, move the NATO defence line hundreds of miles eastwards and bully Russia … that caused Putin to respond to shore up his defences around Crimea/Black Sea?
….this is basic military strategic analysis … most people know this … has it slipped off your radar because you are pushing the Globalist’s Agenda on this Forum?
…. Putin was forced to respond after Ukrainians decided to go against security agreements and started seeking an alliance with the EU …. like the Eastern Block countries … they knew EU membership meant further NATO expansion eastwards and potential to easily annexe Russian access through the Black Sea …. thus removing the safety bufferzone that had kept the Cold War peace since WW2.
NATO/EU/Globalists have gradually destabilised the security of this region for years - Ukraine was just the final straw that broke the camel’s back … that any Russian leader would have had to address in this way …
Putin isn’t anymore ‘Nazi’ over his strategic defence policies than Azov or any Russian leader before him … confronted with saving Russia from invasion/Crimea annexation.
When analysing this situation … you have to put yourself in the shoes of both parties. Cause and Effect.
The U.S./NATO sending in military experts to train/equip and arm Ukraine ‘nazies’ Azov and other extremist units of the Ukraine Army …. shows they were planning this confrontation well before Vice President Biden went to Ukraine to broker deals back in 2014.
This was all pre-planned … and Trump HAD TO BE OUSTED by Deep State to push this World Domination operation forward. Trump’s shock win in 2016 and efforts of ‘detente’/ signing Peace and Cooperation plus trade agreements with Putin …. was really NOT what these Western Hawks/Dr Strangeloves wanted at all!
The Globalist’s want to oust Putin, take over Russia and rape it of everything …. like they’ve done everywhere else.
China will be next. ….. If people can’t see this is the strategy of these Western aggressors … they need to really go study the recent history in this region and elsewhere …. and note the BS the MSM spun over Trump … as soon as he was elected in 2016.
America has a really nasty bunch of vipers running Deep State, Silicon Valley, the MSM and Globalist Industries right now … they’ve moved in to seriously weaken Law and Order so their criminal activities can continue unchecked , seriously weaken the Military … a mistake if they need to militarily attack Russia and China … the relationship of the Military with it’s main recruitment demographic and even moderate Republican voices … is ‘rock bottom’ right now.
No right-minded Republican wants to fight their ‘dirty wars’ … or support their crooked Law and Order set-ups where Justice left the building since Biden stole high Office and crow-barred his cronies into the DOJ.
Only re-election of Trump or a younger dynamic alternative can save the Country going completely to the ‘dogs’.
Only a hefty tough broom can sweep this corrupted detritus out of current Western Administration. A virus like we’ve never faced before. 8)
Yes, the Nazis are in the building … the West wing of the World!
Vinny’s Reply:
Dubdrifter’s 2nd reply:
“Maybe if you got an education, and looked at this thing from a neutral POV like I’m trying to analyse it …. you would deduce:
1) Putin’s globalist ambitions weren’t expansionist land grabbing invasions UNTIL his access/security to the Black Sea was threatened by NATO, the EU and Washington Dr Strangeloves.
2) He was forced to step in and annexe Ukraine before NATO annexed this region.
3) Russia has given up more territory since Cold War 1 than NATO has done … that’s true Globalist expansionism/World Domination. They are also, through the EU, moving to break up the UK like they did the Soviet Union … after we voted Brexit …. that’s the nature of this greedy rapacious ‘animal’.
4) NATO, Globalists and their Media are bullying Sweden and Finland to endanger their people allowing NATO forces and nuclear missiles on their land. A pretty stupid move by Finnish/Swedish ‘stooge’ politicians if you ask me … they need to get rid of those political liabilities and weapons - stay neutral, safer and rich like Switzerland.
5) Why shouldn’t the Russian people and State benefit from selling their energy and resources to the World … instead of letting greedy corrupt tax-dodging Russian Oligarchs rip off their own people just to buy football clubs, run prostitution/drug rackets in the West and sip champagne on super yachts in the Med?
You are backing criminals here … wake up!
Now UK and Europe is being forced to pay exorbitant prices for it’s non-Green energy and resources, World inflation and a recession has been created by Sanctions … and Europe and the UK is now going to be poisoned by FRACKING and a toxic new Tory anti-Green leader Truss who wants to pour carcinogens into our water supplies on National Parklands.
You couldn’t be supporting more moronic leadership if you tried! 8) 
…… and youngsters in the UK who want a Greener future for Britain will never forgive their parents if they vote for Truss …
Wake up and smell the coffee. Idiots got into the Western network … and turned it into an asylum.
Who gives a donkey doo what Putin does for his People? … it’s what our politicians serve up to benefit us that really matters
…. I don’t give a twopenny fig for the Nazis in the Ukraine who were being trained by NATO/US military advisors these last 8 years
Get educated … then you might see the ‘Big Picture’ here.
Boris and Sunak and the stooge/poodle pro-Globalist Cabinet shafted us”.Well, here are the two FULL contexts where I used the phrase ‘Putin was forced …” Only Vinny used pro-war rhetoric that might shock and appall … and he was anti-Putin … so Fox’s war-mongering labelling was certainly not directed at Vinny …. the main agitator in this shut down scenario who complained to Moderators Lewis and Carty about pro-Putin posters … bullying for them to be removed … …. Vinny has now resumed his role as ‘main agitator’ on this platform yesterday. … with the censorship and premature deletion of Oran 777’s presence here … for little reason I can detect… and no explanation from Moderators. The more interesting members will walk off this platform if the Admin and Moderators go against there word and implement an American Stasi/Nazi secret police policy in this new space. I predicted this would happen when I was listening in to the rhetoric of the new Moderators .. … Magrathea needs to step up to the plate and drum some sense into these American people … otherwise we all best look for another platform that is preferably UK Moderated …. and UK-based … and has a much lighter moderation touch … and more respect for it’s Members. … Americans running this one seem to have arguably torn up their Constitution on Free Speech with the banning of Oran 777 … clearly determined this ‘Forum baby’ will be still-born. …. maybe that was their intention … get everyone to jump ship rather than man the pumps and fight to save a platform with a staggering archive of info that was a serious ideological thorn-in-the-side to TPTB. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 25, 2022 9:18:15 GMT
Get your tinfoil hats here.
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Post by Vinny on Oct 25, 2022 9:39:40 GMT
Nobody's stopping you from opening your own site, paying for hosting Dubdrifter.
And, if you ever decided to close YOUR own site, it wouldn't be a "conspiracy", would it ?
Btw, access to the Black Sea has been controlled by NATO since the admission of Turkey, in 1952.
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Post by Toreador on Oct 25, 2022 13:24:52 GMT
Do you really think people from that site are overly concerned that it's shut, looking at comments on here there seems to be that they had a free site for all those years and it was up to the owner what he wanted to do. Apart from that, he explained his reason for the decision. Admittedly, Toreador … there were many ex-members who never started threads that challenged those manipulating our lives in the shadows behind Government … elected representatives that rarely listened to our complaints. Many never crafted a post of real analysis in their whole lifetime on PoFo.uk … so it isn’t any wonder their contributions either didn’t merit a ‘2nd reading’ … and they weren’t interested in preserving an Archive where their ignorance was often all too apparent! I hope you don’t think the flakey reasoning Fox gave for shutting down a quality Forum like PoFo.uk …after 19 years … was solely down to a few posts he scanned after his prolonged absence … where Members were reasoning why “Putin was forced to invade Ukraine”. I don’t recognise your new name, Toreador, being on the old forum … but you appear to know the history of the shutdown and I’m presuming you read my shutdown Conspiracy evidence before it went ‘down with the ship’? Some here will be acutely dismayed that data wasn’t lost. … but rest assured … restoration of the best bits is underway … for those with hazy memories and newcomers to both sites.😋 If you recall … Fox pulled a ‘dirty trick’ on members by taking the sentence “Putin was forced” … out of context … and attached it to phrases like “commit atrocities, murder and bomb civilians.” …. Most members were anti-war posters, and never used it in that context. How do I know? I used the phrase a number of times. Here is the proof Fox twisted these words to create a narrative for ‘shutdown’. Interestingly Tinculin and Vinny … those most prepped for engineering ‘closure’ were both involved in this conversation with me - Dubdrifter. … in the thread titled “Give NATO membership to Ukraine”. If that isn’t Vinny backing American Imperialist expansionism … I don’t know what is!🤣 Tinculin wrote:
Dubdrifter’s reply:
Surely it was the EU and Globalist bullying to take over Energy/Resources in the Eastern Block, move the NATO defence line hundreds of miles eastwards and bully Russia … that caused Putin to respond to shore up his defences around Crimea/Black Sea?
….this is basic military strategic analysis … most people know this … has it slipped off your radar because you are pushing the Globalist’s Agenda on this Forum?
…. Putin was forced to respond after Ukrainians decided to go against security agreements and started seeking an alliance with the EU …. like the Eastern Block countries … they knew EU membership meant further NATO expansion eastwards and potential to easily annexe Russian access through the Black Sea …. thus removing the safety bufferzone that had kept the Cold War peace since WW2.
NATO/EU/Globalists have gradually destabilised the security of this region for years - Ukraine was just the final straw that broke the camel’s back … that any Russian leader would have had to address in this way …
Putin isn’t anymore ‘Nazi’ over his strategic defence policies than Azov or any Russian leader before him … confronted with saving Russia from invasion/Crimea annexation.
When analysing this situation … you have to put yourself in the shoes of both parties. Cause and Effect.
The U.S./NATO sending in military experts to train/equip and arm Ukraine ‘nazies’ Azov and other extremist units of the Ukraine Army …. shows they were planning this confrontation well before Vice President Biden went to Ukraine to broker deals back in 2014.
This was all pre-planned … and Trump HAD TO BE OUSTED by Deep State to push this World Domination operation forward. Trump’s shock win in 2016 and efforts of ‘detente’/ signing Peace and Cooperation plus trade agreements with Putin …. was really NOT what these Western Hawks/Dr Strangeloves wanted at all!
The Globalist’s want to oust Putin, take over Russia and rape it of everything …. like they’ve done everywhere else.
China will be next. ….. If people can’t see this is the strategy of these Western aggressors … they need to really go study the recent history in this region and elsewhere …. and note the BS the MSM spun over Trump … as soon as he was elected in 2016.
America has a really nasty bunch of vipers running Deep State, Silicon Valley, the MSM and Globalist Industries right now … they’ve moved in to seriously weaken Law and Order so their criminal activities can continue unchecked , seriously weaken the Military … a mistake if they need to militarily attack Russia and China … the relationship of the Military with it’s main recruitment demographic and even moderate Republican voices … is ‘rock bottom’ right now.
No right-minded Republican wants to fight their ‘dirty wars’ … or support their crooked Law and Order set-ups where Justice left the building since Biden stole high Office and crow-barred his cronies into the DOJ.
Only re-election of Trump or a younger dynamic alternative can save the Country going completely to the ‘dogs’.
Only a hefty tough broom can sweep this corrupted detritus out of current Western Administration. A virus like we’ve never faced before. 8)
Yes, the Nazis are in the building … the West wing of the World!
Vinny’s Reply:
Dubdrifter’s 2nd reply:
“Maybe if you got an education, and looked at this thing from a neutral POV like I’m trying to analyse it …. you would deduce:
1) Putin’s globalist ambitions weren’t expansionist land grabbing invasions UNTIL his access/security to the Black Sea was threatened by NATO, the EU and Washington Dr Strangeloves.
2) He was forced to step in and annexe Ukraine before NATO annexed this region.
3) Russia has given up more territory since Cold War 1 than NATO has done … that’s true Globalist expansionism/World Domination. They are also, through the EU, moving to break up the UK like they did the Soviet Union … after we voted Brexit …. that’s the nature of this greedy rapacious ‘animal’.
4) NATO, Globalists and their Media are bullying Sweden and Finland to endanger their people allowing NATO forces and nuclear missiles on their land. A pretty stupid move by Finnish/Swedish ‘stooge’ politicians if you ask me … they need to get rid of those political liabilities and weapons - stay neutral, safer and rich like Switzerland.
5) Why shouldn’t the Russian people and State benefit from selling their energy and resources to the World … instead of letting greedy corrupt tax-dodging Russian Oligarchs rip off their own people just to buy football clubs, run prostitution/drug rackets in the West and sip champagne on super yachts in the Med?
You are backing criminals here … wake up!
Now UK and Europe is being forced to pay exorbitant prices for it’s non-Green energy and resources, World inflation and a recession has been created by Sanctions … and Europe and the UK is now going to be poisoned by FRACKING and a toxic new Tory anti-Green leader Truss who wants to pour carcinogens into our water supplies on National Parklands.
You couldn’t be supporting more moronic leadership if you tried! 8)
…… and youngsters in the UK who want a Greener future for Britain will never forgive their parents if they vote for Truss …
Wake up and smell the coffee. Idiots got into the Western network … and turned it into an asylum.
Who gives a donkey doo what Putin does for his People? … it’s what our politicians serve up to benefit us that really matters
…. I don’t give a twopenny fig for the Nazis in the Ukraine who were being trained by NATO/US military advisors these last 8 years
Get educated … then you might see the ‘Big Picture’ here.
Boris and Sunak and the stooge/poodle pro-Globalist Cabinet shafted us”.Well, here are the two FULL contexts where I used the phrase ‘Putin was forced …” Only Vinny used pro-war rhetoric that might shock and appall … and he was anti-Putin … so Fox’s war-mongering labelling was certainly not directed at Vinny …. the main agitator in this shut down scenario who complained to Moderators Lewis and Carty about pro-Putin posters … bullying for them to be removed … …. Vinny has now resumed his role as ‘main agitator’ on this platform yesterday. … with the censorship and premature deletion of Oran 777’s presence here … for little reason I can detect… and no explanation from Moderators. The more interesting members will walk off this platform if the Admin and Moderators go against there word and implement an American Stasi/Nazi secret police policy in this new space. I predicted this would happen when I was listening in to the rhetoric of the new Moderators .. … Magrathea needs to step up to the plate and drum some sense into these American people … otherwise we all best look for another platform that is preferably UK Moderated …. and UK-based … and has a much lighter moderation touch … and more respect for it’s Members. … Americans running this one seem to have arguably torn up their Constitution on Free Speech with the banning of Oran 777 … clearly determined this ‘Forum baby’ will be still-born. …. maybe that was their intention … get everyone to jump ship rather than man the pumps and fight to save a platform with a staggering archive of info that was a serious ideological thorn-in-the-side to TPTB. I gave up reading after the first sentence. I said what I meant and I meant what I said; I'm not into conspiracy theories from overactive minds. |
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Post by B0ycey on Oct 25, 2022 13:46:22 GMT
Personally I don't know who Siberian Fox was, but I know the Forum owner of PoFo.org met him when he bought that site off him. Think Fox lives in Scandinavia now. It's a shame, the guy got too busy to run the sites he created. But you might want to ask Cartertonian given he was a mod on both forums on more details on who Fox was.
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Post by jeg er on Oct 25, 2022 14:37:29 GMT
Personally I don't know who Siberian Fox was, but I know the Forum owner of PoFo.org met him when he bought that site off him. Think Fox lives in Scandinavia now. It's a shame, the guy got too busy to run the sites he created. But you might want to ask Cartertonian given he was a mod on both forums on more details on who Fox was. I have met Siberian Fox when I lived in Denmark. To make contact we used to leave messages inside a fox hole in nordlige bjergevej, written in code, denoting the time and place. When we met at Aarhus Hovedbanegård, we would have to communicate using mekaton, but wearing sony walkmen, so it looked like we were singing. I never learned his longitude and latitude, but I found out his real surname was Mulder. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 25, 2022 16:21:49 GMT
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Post by wapentake on Oct 25, 2022 18:00:46 GMT
Wasn’t a forum I contributed to,been a member of various forums following politics or hobbies but the idea as a poster you have some rights over that forum are ludicrous.
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 25, 2022 21:56:27 GMT
with the censorship and premature deletion of Oran 777’s presence here … for little reason I can detect… and no explanation from Moderators. The more interesting members will walk off this platform if the Admin and Moderators go against there word and implement an American Stasi/Nazi secret police policy in this new space. I predicted this would happen when I was listening in to the rhetoric of the new Moderators .. … Magrathea needs to step up to the plate and drum some sense into these American people … otherwise we all best look for another platform that is preferably UK Moderated …. and UK-based … and has a much lighter moderation touch … and more respect for it’s Members. … Americans running this one seem to have arguably torn up their Constitution on Free Speech with the banning of Oran 777 … clearly determined this ‘Forum baby’ will be still-born. …. maybe that was their intention … get everyone to jump ship rather than man the pumps and fight to save a platform with a staggering archive of info that was a serious ideological thorn-in-the-side to TPTB. Oran777 was not banned. Nobody has been banned. Oran deleted his own account. ...and Epstein killed himself. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Oct 26, 2022 2:43:14 GMT
Nobody's stopping you from opening your own site, paying for hosting Dubdrifter. And, if you ever decided to close YOUR own site, it wouldn't be a "conspiracy", would it ? Btw, access to the Black Sea has been controlled by NATO since the admission of Turkey, in 1952.But it would be a ‘conspiracy’ if a guy called Vinny popped up on said Forum and duped the owner that his site was being overrun by war-mongers supporting Putin’s atrocities in Ukraine. … which was blatantly UNTRUE. …. Then hinting the place should be shut down … like RT.? On our other General Discussion (Dubdrifter on nail?) you stated you didn’t support American Imperialism … yet this move to control the Bosphorus Strait through NATO invasion of Turkey back in 1952 … plus the subsequent attempt of NATO to invade Ukraine through EU membership and destabilisation around Crimea and the Donbas since 2014… which you mention supporting … surely this was American Imperialism at work Cold War 1+2? … If you were a Pentagon stooge or a McCarthyite witch-hunter … surely you’d want to shut down a Forum that pointed out that simple FACT? … which the BBC and it’s biased military analysts can’t seem to broadcast these days … so some researchers here have to. Maybe you need to shut down this Forum now Vinny? … this Archive now is damaging and exposing NATO’s Imperialist Agenda … World Domination. Personally I don't know who Siberian Fox was, but I know the Forum owner of PoFo.org met him when he bought that site off him. Think Fox lives in Scandinavia now. It's a shame, the guy got too busy to run the sites he created. But you might want to ask Cartertonian given he was a mod on both forums on more details on who Fox was.
… Wasn’t the American sister site Fox sold, the one Cartertonian moderated, called ThePoliticsForum.com?? … a different domain to .org you mention.
… Fox could have owned several servers … so the record of that could be under a different IP Address … I’m not sure to what degree an owner of an IP Address can edit it’s history and cover up it’s history, on a site like Security Trails!
I’ll let you dig out more detail on that .org connection if it might lead to Fox … if it’s still out there?I looked on WHOIS and registered on the website Security Trails on the Tues morning 8am …after Mon shutdown …. to try and get some clue of the site’s provenance and history  It recorded Fox had been on the same database an hour earlier 7am GMT and edited the page. … but it showed he either bought the website or set it all up and posted the domain name politicsforum.co.uk up online on 8th Sept 2003 … and it was due to expire on the 8th Sept 2023. When Fox’s IP Address was liquidated …. all four sites shut down that Monday. Weird eh? Wasn’t a forum I contributed to,been a member of various forums following politics or hobbies but the idea as a poster you have some rights over that forum are ludicrous. Forums are Library Archives where people deposit ‘books’ of their thoughts and ideas … hoping it’s a safe space for their preservation. The Internet used to be a safe space where nothing interesting disappeared … it was shared ad nauseam … not any longer … with mostly super rich Zionist/religious censors in control. It is a serious problem now. Should the owner of a Library have the Right to burn down the building just because he disapproved of one or two books on the shelf? There is NO JUSTIFICATION for this VANDALISM …. which is why I am so angry about what happened.
Please don’t write narratives justifying this.
Social Media owners have a responsibility of Guardianship the day they invite participation of disclosure … from that day onwards … ownership of that Library should be passed on from Guardian to safe TRUSTED Guardian … never trashed.
Currently the Law doesn’t recognise this fact that Internet Libraries should have preservation locked into their Constitution. Perhaps in the near future … our Rights of Preservation will be covered by Legal Protections.
… not that these owners respect the Law these days … but it’s still essential for the day a real Law Enforcer regains Control of the Establishment.
Safe Preservation of our History … is the safe preservation of an arguable TRUTH.
NOTHING IS MORE FUNDAMENTALLY IMPORTANT. with the censorship and premature deletion of Oran 777’s presence here … for little reason I can detect… and no explanation from Moderators. The more interesting members will walk off this platform if the Admin and Moderators go against there word and implement an American Stasi/Nazi secret police policy in this new space. I predicted this would happen when I was listening in to the rhetoric of the new Moderators .. … Magrathea needs to step up to the plate and drum some sense into these American people … otherwise we all best look for another platform that is preferably UK Moderated …. and UK-based … and has a much lighter moderation touch … and more respect for it’s Members. … Americans running this one seem to have arguably torn up their Constitution on Free Speech with the banning of Oran 777 … clearly determined this ‘Forum baby’ will be still-born. …. maybe that was their intention … get everyone to jump ship rather than man the pumps and fight to save a platform with a staggering archive of info that was a serious ideological thorn-in-the-side to TPTB. Oran777 was not banned. Nobody has been banned. Oran deleted his own account. ...and Epstein killed himself. Thanks for that more ‘official’ clarification …prefer to hear it from a Moderator or Admin … rather than from Squeezed Middle or Vinny. Glad my post finally spurred a response that can reassure some members here. … but using the analogy “Epstein killed himself” doesn’t fill me with confidence *********** … btw … on Epstein … if you gather all the evidence not whitewashed by the MSM … it is relatively easy to conclude Epstein was murdered … the second attempt on his life in a matter of days. It’s funny how money and threats can make those in Authority do ANYTHING these days to protect the interests of the Ruling Elite. They certainly did that killing potential whistle-blower Epstein. … but let’s not get distracted …. back to the speculation who Fox was? … based on the new evidence I dropped above. … anyone got any thoughts? … I’ll let you pitch yours first.😋 |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 26, 2022 7:31:49 GMT
Supporting Putin's illegal war and glorifying his crimes against Ukraine and humanity is what Sword and others were doing on it. He pulled the plug on the site, it was his.
Got a problem with this? His rules, specifically rule 3 were being broken on a daily basis.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Oct 26, 2022 9:48:33 GMT
I gave up reading after the first sentence. I said what I meant and I meant what I said; I'm not into conspiracy theories from overactive minds. … so that is why you jumped on a thread started by Dubdrifter … with Conspiracy Fact and Theory in the title🤣👏 … started by the former notorious PoFo.co.uk MASTER of the overactive ‘long form’ mind. Now let me trawl through my notes … Who always used to say on my stuff - “I gave up reading after the first sentence” … repeatedly labelling it all as ‘theory and ramblings” … clearly rattled by the content?😋 Hmmm … maybe Sallyforth?, Walter Paisley?, … it wasn’t krugerman or zettleman … Ewen? maybe not. Time to reveal yourself “toreador”? … or scuttle away to your far more interesting content! 😂🤫 Supporting Putin's illegal war and glorifying his crimes against Ukraine and humanity is what Sword and others were doing on it. He pulled the plug on the site, it was his.
Got a problem with this? His rules, specifically rule 3 were being broken on a daily basis. I read a fraction of the Ukraine content because I felt the TRUTH got lost early on. … but I was still engaged in many threads Provox and Sword commented on … and I never saw a post that gave the impression they were war-mongers glorifying atrocities … quite the contrary actually … they backed my voice narratives to stop this madness and kick Boris to broker Peace Negotiations instead of stupidly offering that zionist stooge Zelensky guns and military support. Provox and Sword - (are they still here with Vinny in town strutting his complaints to Moderators daily??) - appear very savvy to the REAL history of Ukraine and repeatedly dropped some very interesting stuff to counter the duplicitous ‘false flag’ operations and shenanigans that Western shadow governments never stop employing these days … as they peddle their bullshit versions of dubious 24hr News ‘reality’ on the BBC and CNN … People are wise to it … so you need to ‘move on’ and vacate the building … we are no longer interested in MSM narratives anymore. … the only poster I read who appeared to be “glorifying war crimes and atrocities” … relishing killing and bombing … was YOU, Delboy Vinny. …. If anyone repeatedly broke Rule 3 … it was you … The reason Lewis and Cartertonian didn’t step in and CENSOR OR BAN those explaining why Putin was strategically ‘forced to invade Ukraine’ … was because they looked at the evidence presented coldly and analytically and saw it was rationalised in discussions. Any primary school grade military strategist could see the sense of this military manoeuvre!🙄 …. a no brainer. Fox’s interpretation was WRONG … and so was his ACTION. With Vinny daily venting “kill Putin, kill Russians” in almost every other post … phrases copy/pasted … most of it …. from what appeared to be some crazy McCarthyite manual buried deep in some Pentagon basement asylum … written by a clone of Dr Strangelove’s. … it was clear to non-absentee people who was repeatedly breaking Rule 3 … Vinnydell. Many of us didn’t bother reporting you to the Moderators for your ‘hate speech’ … because we were so used to you being the ‘ nutter on the bus’. No one reports the ‘nutter on the bus’ for sexual assault if he goes around kissing all the girls … we understand it as a form of ‘mental illness’ … acknowledge it as ‘bad programming’ and pretend they’re not there or a significant problem. So Dellboy Vinny … you’re now here .. and Oran 777 isn’t - so you’re still doing ‘your thing’… you’ve suddenly achieved Senior status with the Admin and your Moderator chums …(not for me to comment on the company they keep😋) … and you’ve been given 4* General status! … how proud you must feel with the destruction you have achieved?? |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 26, 2022 9:55:39 GMT
There can be no peace in Ukraine until the invasion is over.
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