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Post by Toreador on Oct 26, 2022 9:57:58 GMT
I gave up reading after the first sentence. I said what I meant and I meant what I said; I'm not into conspiracy theories from overactive minds. … so that is why you jumped on a thread started by Dubdrifter … with Conspiracy Fact and Theory in the title🤣👏 … started by the former notorious PoFo.co.uk MASTER of the overactive ‘long form’ mind. Now let me trawl through my notes … Who always used to say on my stuff - “I gave up reading after the first sentence” … repeatedly labelling it all as ‘theory and ramblings” … clearly rattled by the content?😋 Hmmm … maybe Sallyforth?, Walter Paisley?, … it wasn’t krugerman or zettleman … Ewen? maybe not. Time to reveal yourself “toreador”? … or scuttle away to your far more interesting content! 😂🤫 Supporting Putin's illegal war and glorifying his crimes against Ukraine and humanity is what Sword and others were doing on it. He pulled the plug on the site, it was his.
Got a problem with this? His rules, specifically rule 3 were being broken on a daily basis. I read a fraction of the Ukraine content because I felt the TRUTH got lost early on. … but I was still engaged in many threads Provox and Sword commented on … and I never saw a post that gave the impression they were war-mongers glorifying atrocities … quite the contrary actually … they backed my voice narratives to stop this madness and kick Boris to broker Peace Negotiations instead of stupidly offering that zionist stooge Zelensky guns and military support. Provox and Sword - (are they still here with Vinny in town strutting his complaints to Moderators daily??) - appear very savvy to the REAL history of Ukraine and repeatedly dropped some very interesting stuff to counter the duplicitous ‘false flag’ operations and shenanigans that Western shadow governments never stop employing these days … as they peddle their bullshit versions of dubious 24hr News ‘reality’ on the BBC and CNN … People are wise to it … so you need to ‘move on’ and vacate the building … we are no longer interested in MSM narratives anymore. … the only poster I read who appeared to be “glorifying war crimes and atrocities” … relishing killing and bombing … was YOU, Delboy Vinny. …. If anyone repeatedly broke Rule 3 … it was you … The reason Lewis and Cartertonian didn’t step in and CENSOR OR BAN those explaining why Putin was strategically ‘forced to invade Ukraine’ … was because they looked at the evidence presented coldly and analytically and saw it was rationalised in discussions. Any primary school grade military strategist could see the sense of this military manoeuvre!🙄 …. a no brainer. Fox’s interpretation was WRONG … and so was his ACTION. With Vinny daily venting “kill Putin, kill Russians” in almost every other post … phrases copy/pasted … most of it …. from what appeared to be some crazy McCarthyite manual buried deep in some Pentagon basement asylum … written by a clone of Dr Strangelove’s. … it was clear to non-absentee people who was repeatedly breaking Rule 3 … Vinnydell. Many of us didn’t bother reporting you to the Moderators for your ‘hate speech’ … because we were so used to you being the ‘ nutter on the bus’. No one reports the ‘nutter on the bus’ for sexual assault if he goes around kissing all the girls … we understand it as a form of ‘mental illness’ … acknowledge it as ‘bad programming’ and pretend they’re not there or a significant problem. So Dellboy Vinny … you’re now here .. and Oran 777 isn’t - so you’re still doing ‘your thing’… you’ve suddenly achieved Senior status with the Admin and your Moderator chums …(not for me to comment on the company they keep😋) … and you’ve been given 4* General status! … how proud you must feel with the destruction you have achieved?? There's nothing you've got right in the above.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Oct 26, 2022 10:08:05 GMT
What? … your true identity? … that was off the top of my head … I’ll trawl my notes sometime next year probably … and sniff out who you are … not that I’m really interested in commentators that have no decent ‘counter argument’ in their lockers.😂
Care to articulate which of the above facts were not accurate?🤔
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Post by Vinny on Oct 26, 2022 10:58:17 GMT
You're pretty inaccurate Dub. Sword has been slagging off Ukrainians as Nazis for donkeys years and supporting Putin's terrorism against them. He said Putin wouldn't invade then supported Putin's invasion.
Rule 3 violations on the old board.
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 26, 2022 11:15:24 GMT
So Dellboy Vinny … you’re now here .. and Oran 777 isn’t - so you’re still doing ‘your thing’… you’ve suddenly achieved Senior status with the Admin and your Moderator chums …(not for me to comment on the company they keep😋) … and you’ve been given 4* General status! … how proud you must feel with the destruction you have achieved?? Senior status is just what you get when you make 500 posts. Red, Steve, Sword are also Senior members. Within a few weeks most people will be. Even you. ...and Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Oct 26, 2022 16:27:40 GMT
You're pretty inaccurate Dub. Sword has been slagging off Ukrainians as Nazis for donkeys years and supporting Putin's terrorism against them. He said Putin wouldn't invade then supported Putin's invasion. Rule 3 violations on the old board. We haven’t been discussing Ukraine for donkeys years … most British citizens are deeply upset the BBC and Western Totalitarians have pushed us into a war with Russia over a Country bullied by Nazi factions whose history we have ignored since year dot! As usual, you are talking rubbish Members were contravening Rule 3 violations. Creating narratives from research and dropping evidence Russians were propping up their defensive strategy by going into a Ukraine being destabilised by foreign interference …really isn’t promoting war, atrocities or a Rule 3 violation. … Exposing CIA/NATO and EU attempts to destabilise Ukraine since 2014 … is doing a service to Humanity …. the bullies you are promoting … are doing nothing to help Humanity … just destabilise everyone’s lives and create economic misery and shortages through Sanctions. How do you sleep at night with that on your conscience?? …. if you have a concern for the welfare of ALL … not just Ukrainians? … People remember … it was considerable bile you were venting on the other Forum? I am really glad Tinculin has Headlined his brilliant “Read This” piece on Ukraine …because I stepped off most of those discussions because of these heated exchanges … stirred up largely by your incendiary posts. So Dellboy Vinny … you’re now here .. and Oran 777 isn’t - so you’re still doing ‘your thing’… you’ve suddenly achieved Senior status with the Admin and your Moderator chums …(not for me to comment on the company they keep😋) … and you’ve been given 4* General status! … how proud you must feel with the destruction you have achieved?? Senior status is just what you get when you make 500 posts. Red, Steve, Sword are also Senior members. Within a few weeks most people will be. Even you. ...and Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy. Thanks for that info, Montegriffo … as long as Senior status isn’t used as a reason Moderators should side with the moans of Vinny rather than a genuine complaint from a newbie … over matters of censorship and banning … I and others will be happier to know Moderation rulings are fair and unbiased.😋 People largely felt the Moderation on the old forum was fair … where Lewis and Carty had Vinny’s agenda from the start … and as we saw from Lewis’s response to Vinny’s complaint in September … they weren’t swayed in the least by his bullying. Pity Fox didn’t show the same ‘common sense’ and resolve. … if he had … we wouldn’t have had to move house and waste precious hours trying to restore a valuable 19 year Archive. …. Oh well … just be the edited highlight then?!😋 …. A godsend to many on here, I guess! Lol. Zzzzzzzz. ********************************** …… “and Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy” …. gawd … your ‘establishment narratives’ are beginning to worry me… live a little …. Scurry down the labyrynth of Truth just once in your life.😂 …. ……Meanwhile let’s just stick to the Fox Conspiracy here … no more deliberate distractions! My guess is he was either 1) an MI5/6 shadow entity working out of GCHQ or Whitehall😎 … or 2) an astute Russian émigré living/travelling between Russia and the UK … In the first instance - 1)setting up discussion platforms as a ‘spyware’ exercise designed to track the IP Addresses and identities of ‘participants’ …. initially to identify extremist anarchists in the UK and around the World … so security services could move in on suspect targets quickly … if there was a terrorist incident. …. My guess is this probably wasn’t a KGB-run operation ….. just dressed up to look like one … in case things went ‘pear-shaped’. Clever thinking. The KGB wouldn’t have engineered the ‘pulling’ of PoFo.co.uk at a time it was one of the few platforms around the World that was able to FREELY DISCUSS AND SHARE RESEARCH FROM ALL SIDES OF THE DEBATE …. showing clearly THE SOVIET INTERPRETATION OF THE ALARMING UKRAINE SECURITY SITUATION. In the second instance 2) - Fox could easily have been an émigré Russian heavily involved in the interests of Russian Oligarchs to recapture Russian ENERGY RESOURCES 🏦 - that Putin and the KGB had put firmly back under Russian State Control after a post-Gorbachev Orgy had let gangsters ‘into the Russian Establishment’ to rape and pillage like there was no tomorrow …. and f*ck the interests of the Russian People left out in the Cold … and now suffering in another Western Cold War Mk2 under really crippling Sanctions. … in either instance 1+2 … our narratives exposing the Totalitarian ambitions of both the Deep State, The Soros Posse and the Russian Oligarchs … proved too persuasive and damaging to TPTB … and they decided collectively … FREE SPEECH was no longer acceptable … and the Forum and it’s writers and the important Archive that so undermined and exposed their Agenda … needed to be shutdown and TRASHED completely. ….. It would be really good if Lewis and Cartertonian could step up at this point and throw in a few correctives from their experience (if they are allowed to speak freely about the climate around the shutdown)??🤔 …. If my intuition on this is close to the TRUTH … then I think their silence will be again deafening.🤔😎 … as it was, sadly, during the shutdown period, … when all my appeals - and other’s logical arguments were blanket ignored by people we thought could easily read, write and respond … and deliver the courtesy of a reply after so many years of dialogue. When it came to ‘the Crunch’ … some of us felt rather betrayed tbh. … Now is the chance for one of those 3 PoFo.co.uk Forum Administrators to give us the FULL picture … we deserve at least that … in this post-mortem piece.🤔
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 26, 2022 16:59:58 GMT
...and Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy. That's just what I said to Elvis, last week.
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 26, 2022 18:02:59 GMT
…… “and Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy” …. gawd … your ‘establishment narratives’ are beginning to worry me… live a little …. Scurry down the labyrinth of Truth just once in your life.😂 …. It's very liberating to find out I'm a part of the deep state and it's lucrative. I've always known that 9/11 wasn't an inside job and jet fuel doesn't need to melt steel for a skyscraper to collapse but now the Illuminati pay me every time I say it. Apollo 11 got men to the moon and back. The Earth is an oblate spheroid and Elvis died on the shitter.
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Post by Vinny on Oct 26, 2022 18:03:51 GMT
Dubdrifter, if the owner of a site tells me that something is a rule 3 violation, if he tells me he's shutting it down, it's his site, to do with as he pleases.
If he wants to set up deepfake political porn with deepfaked Liz Truss taking it up the jacksy from Mr Blobby, it's his site.
He paid for that site out of HIS pocket for years and you never thanked him. He gave you free access, the only thing he asked in return was that people obeyed HIS RULES.
In HIS VIEW his rules were broken.
It was HIS choice to close the site and his site to close.
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Post by Toreador on Oct 26, 2022 18:33:05 GMT
Dubdrifter, if the owner of a site tells me that something is a rule 3 violation, if he tells me he's shutting it down, it's his site, to do with as he pleases. If he wants to set up deepfake political porn with deepfaked Liz Truss taking it up the jacksy from Mr Blobby, it's his site. He paid for that site out of HIS pocket for years and you never thanked him. He gave you free access, the only thing he asked in return was that people obeyed HIS RULES. In HIS VIEW his rules were broken. It was HIS choice to close the site and his site to close. Who knows whether he's been tracked down as the owner of a site with certain elements praising Russia?
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Post by wapentake on Oct 26, 2022 18:41:22 GMT
Nobody's stopping you from opening your own site, paying for hosting Dubdrifter. And, if you ever decided to close YOUR own site, it wouldn't be a "conspiracy", would it ? Btw, access to the Black Sea has been controlled by NATO since the admission of Turkey, in 1952.But it would be a ‘conspiracy’ if a guy called Vinny popped up on said Forum and duped the owner that his site was being overrun by war-mongers supporting Putin’s atrocities in Ukraine. … which was blatantly UNTRUE. …. Then hinting the place should be shut down … like RT.? On our other General Discussion (Dubdrifter on nail?) you stated you didn’t support American Imperialism … yet this move to control the Bosphorus Strait through NATO invasion of Turkey back in 1952 … plus the subsequent attempt of NATO to invade Ukraine through EU membership and destabilisation around Crimea and the Donbas since 2014… which you mention supporting … surely this was American Imperialism at work Cold War 1+2? … If you were a Pentagon stooge or a McCarthyite witch-hunter … surely you’d want to shut down a Forum that pointed out that simple FACT? … which the BBC and it’s biased military analysts can’t seem to broadcast these days … so some researchers here have to. Maybe you need to shut down this Forum now Vinny? … this Archive now is damaging and exposing NATO’s Imperialist Agenda … World Domination. Personally I don't know who Siberian Fox was, but I know the Forum owner of PoFo.org met him when he bought that site off him. Think Fox lives in Scandinavia now. It's a shame, the guy got too busy to run the sites he created. But you might want to ask Cartertonian given he was a mod on both forums on more details on who Fox was. I discovered the day after the shutdown that Fox owned 4 active sites ….Politics Forum.co.uk, The History Forum.com, Battleship List.com and Soviet-Empire.com …. he also owned many domain names which weren’t active(105?) … all through the same IP Address. … Wasn’t the American sister site Fox sold, the one Cartertonian moderated, called ThePoliticsForum.com?? … a different domain to .org you mention. … Fox could have owned several servers … so the record of that could be under a different IP Address … I’m not sure to what degree an owner of an IP Address can edit it’s history and cover up it’s history, on a site like Security Trails! I’ll let you dig out more detail on that .org connection if it might lead to Fox … if it’s still out there?I looked on WHOIS and registered on the website Security Trails on the Tues morning 8am …after Mon shutdown …. to try and get some clue of the site’s provenance and history View AttachmentIt recorded Fox had been on the same database an hour earlier 7am GMT and edited the page. … but it showed he either bought the website or set it all up and posted the domain name politicsforum.co.uk up online on 8th Sept 2003 … and it was due to expire on the 8th Sept 2023. When Fox’s IP Address was liquidated …. all four sites shut down that Monday. Weird eh? Wasn’t a forum I contributed to,been a member of various forums following politics or hobbies but the idea as a poster you have some rights over that forum are ludicrous. Forums are Library Archives where people deposit ‘books’ of their thoughts and ideas … hoping it’s a safe space for their preservation. The Internet used to be a safe space where nothing interesting disappeared … it was shared ad nauseam … not any longer … with mostly super rich Zionist/religious censors in control. It is a serious problem now. Should the owner of a Library have the Right to burn down the building just because he disapproved of one or two books on the shelf? There is NO JUSTIFICATION for this VANDALISM …. which is why I am so angry about what happened. Please don’t write narratives justifying this. Social Media owners have a responsibility of Guardianship the day they invite participation of disclosure … from that day onwards … ownership of that Library should be passed on from Guardian to safe TRUSTED Guardian … never trashed. Currently the Law doesn’t recognise this fact that Internet Libraries should have preservation locked into their Constitution. Perhaps in the near future … our Rights of Preservation will be covered by Legal Protections. … not that these owners respect the Law these days … but it’s still essential for the day a real Law Enforcer regains Control of the Establishment.
Safe Preservation of our History … is the safe preservation of an arguable TRUTH. NOTHING IS MORE FUNDAMENTALLY IMPORTANT.Oran777 was not banned. Nobody has been banned. Oran deleted his own account. ...and Epstein killed himself. Thanks for that more ‘official’ clarification …prefer to hear it from a Moderator or Admin … rather than from Squeezed Middle or Vinny. Glad my post finally spurred a response that can reassure some members here. … but using the analogy “Epstein killed himself” doesn’t fill me with confidence *********** … btw … on Epstein … if you gather all the evidence not whitewashed by the MSM … it is relatively easy to conclude Epstein was murdered … the second attempt on his life in a matter of days. It’s funny how money and threats can make those in Authority do ANYTHING these days to protect the interests of the Ruling Elite. They certainly did that killing potential whistle-blower Epstein. … but let’s not get distracted …. back to the speculation who Fox was? … based on the new evidence I dropped above. … anyone got any thoughts? … I’ll let you pitch yours first.😋 You are more than a little confused here,you have no rights whatsoever. A forum was set up,you chose as a guest to participate. It is no different to being a guest in someone’s house,when they say times up you have to go now,you have no right to abuse their hospitality by making demands to stay or helping yourself to any of the contents of that house.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Oct 27, 2022 9:37:56 GMT
It's very liberating to find out I'm a part of the deep state and it's lucrative. I've always known that 9/11 wasn't an inside job and jet fuel doesn't need to melt steel for a skyscraper to collapse but now the Illuminati pay me every time I say it. Apollo 11 got men to the moon and back. The Earth is an oblate spheroid and Elvis died on the shitter. I didn’t infer you were Deep State in my last post, Monte … just that you could investigate a little more .. rather than just parrot ‘the deep state versions on everything’!🤔😋 Architects for 9/11 Truth had a healthy following amongst architects who put professional integrity for Truth before the brown-nosing of criminal terrorist religious cartels for new contracts post-9/11. Truly professional architects knew that quality constructed buildings designed to withstand impacts from airliners, designed to sway in high winds … don’t collapse at free-fall speeds (pancake) from a little fire and smoke on a few upper levels … unless they have been seriously tampered with and prepped for demolition. … as WTC 7 clearly was. You have to be totally delusional if you think these buildings weren’t pulled. … especially after the owner of the WTC Complex admitted during an interview … WTC 7 was ‘pulled’ [… much like this Forum. … probably by influence and threats from the same Cartels that engineered 9/11.?? … an interesting possibility?] You are more than a little confused here,you have no rights whatsoever. A forum was set up,you chose as a guest to participate. It is no different to being a guest in someone’s house,when they say times up you have to go now,you have no right to abuse their hospitality by making demands to stay or helping yourself to any of the contents of that house. With respect, Wapentake … I’m not a little confused … I acknowledge in my piece earlier, that in Law currently we have no ownership rights that Libraries we “add our work and ingenuity” to … shouldn’t be trashed … but should be made into State Institutions. If the original owner of the British Museum site invited Members to donate their ‘collections’ to what people thought was a safe place to share their work and for the General Public to view it for the rest of Humanity’s existence … surely there would be ‘UPROAR’ … if the owner of the BM site suddenly turned round and said “I’m trashing the building, and LEGALLY there is NOTHING you can do about it. Like the tragic burning of the Library of Alexandra … Guardianship failure lost an incredibly precious Archive. This Forum loss isn’t comparable, admittedly … but the analogy holds strong, imo. Maybe the Law in future will recognise that SOCIAL MEDIA platforms are LIBRARIES OF OUR HISTORY … and deserve to be preserved as INSTITUTIONS that the LAW should enshrine should be handed over to SAFE GUARDIANSHIP when current owners want to ‘move on’. In this way Institutions like the NEWS OF THE WORLD and it’s LIBRARY cannot be destroyed … to cover up the HISTORY OF BAD BEHAVIOUR perpetrated by Authority, the Super Rich and Corrupt Deep State Criminality now in CONTROL. Rewriting history is their Agenda … and we must stop that cycle of destruction and deliberate vandalism. This conclusion puts Fox in the bracket as just another - possibly zionist - small ‘z’ - Globalist sleeper bully … who suddenly woke up to the dispossessed People’s Revolution Protest Movement hammering loudly on his ivory tower door. The Man in the High Castle 🏦 cannot sleep as the baying mob seeking some sort of ‘justice’ is disturbing the peacocks on the lawn!😋😂
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Post by Vinny on Oct 27, 2022 11:04:58 GMT
WTC7 was hit by the collapse of WTC1, had a big gash torn into its south face, was torn literally from top to bottom and caught fire. The collapse of the twin towers also took out the water mains, the sprinkler systems inside it were not working, firefighters across from it didn't have the pressure to fight the fires inside it, and pulled back.
Fireboats, John D McKean, John J Harvey and Firefighter were brought to Manhattan to pump water, they did so for 80 hours, until the mains were fixed. But, fire took hold in WTC7 faster than lines from the fireboats could be brought into play, to fight the fires inside.
Fire Chief Daniel Nigro, pulled the firefighting operation around it, not the building, the firefighting operation.
WTC7 had fire on every floor.
It collapsed during this interview:
I've witnessed real controlled demolitions I know how loud demolition charges are, watch Barbara Crowley the first responder who was being interviewed, she didn't spin round until AFTER WTC7 had collapsed.
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Post by colbops on Oct 27, 2022 13:46:04 GMT
There can be no peace in Ukraine until the invasion is over. I think you should let Russia and Ukraine decide that for themselves don't you. Issuing diktats seems somewhat hypocritical given the distain with which you bandy the dictator label about
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Post by Vinny on Oct 27, 2022 13:55:25 GMT
Ukraine have decided for themselves, they've decided to fight. And there will be no peace in Ukraine until the invaders are out.
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Post by sword on Oct 27, 2022 19:05:33 GMT
Supporting Putin's illegal war and glorifying his crimes against Ukraine and humanity is what Sword and others were doing on it. He pulled the plug on the site, it was his. Got a problem with this? His rules, specifically rule 3 were being broken on a daily basis. Stop lying again,we gave a alternative opinion that you and some others can't tolerate.
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