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Post by bancroft on May 25, 2023 19:00:48 GMT
I still don't quite understand how two kids were killed on an e-scooter? There's obviously something we're not being told, yet. As John has said its not a E Scooter it an Electric Bike IMHO an off road one, and not meant to carry two, yes the bike was picked up on a house CCTV followed by a Police Van , no blues or twos how according to the media both doing 28 mph how they got that figure no idea. As John has pointed out its a rough estate usual antisocial behaviour drugs, again according to the media the Police have been clamping down on youths riding on scooters, motorbikes, e bikes etc , in that area In the media were two photographs of the boys one of them is holding a large spliff , perhaps the boys were high at the time who knows , The boys on the E Bike turned off and down a street or alleyway with bollards to stop vehicles going down it so even if the Police were following them or about to stop them or try to they could not follow them, as the Senior Police Officer stated after the tragic accident the Police Vehicles can be tracked , no Police vehicle was in the street at the time when the boys died, according to the media it was 900 meters away in another street, unless other information evidence to prove otherwise IMHO a tragic accident they fell of. Rumour control took over then and the Police were attacked 15 of them injured 11 of them taken to hospital , even a member of the public a man was attacked as the rioters thought he was a plain clothes Cop I think the first clips we saw had the kids on e-scooters looks now like they switched vehicles. |
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Post by johnofgwent on May 26, 2023 10:20:48 GMT
I don't doubt your experience and observations. And I also regard a cyclist** dismounting and wheeling their bike as a pedestrian.
But surely they're lawbreakers if they go pedalling through lights, crossings and stop signs? Some do stop, look to see if there's a way across and through, and set off regardless of what traffic lights indicate.
This happens frequently — not only by committed Lycra clad and helmeted riders, but also respectable-looking mums out shopping. Families — parents with kids — often cycle as a bunch through pedestrian only alleyways in N16...
**Not sure how we're meant to regard rollerblade and skateboard users when they're on the road — must admit I'm wary and regard them as I do kids kicking a ball around in the street.
I suppose back in the 60’s and 70’s you treated a road as a place where if you didn’t keep your wits about you, you ended up dead. And that applied to pedestrians, cyclists, bikers etc alike. I’m convinced there was more respect for road markings and traffic lights even as recently as 2010 -2012 which was the last time i regularly, daily, cycled the eight mikes from my house to my work and back. The journey took me over suburban and rural roads between Newport and Cardiff but also along the busiest stretches of the A48 where commuters leave the M4 at J28 and 30 to get to work at the business parks. One of the more heartwarming things i witnessed on that daily 16 mile round trip was the large number of other cyclists who would quite frankly aim a tirade of foul mouthed abuse at any asshole who rode through a red light for example. I don’t know what Lindon is like. I know Bristol is a hateful place for cyclists and bikers because motorists have ling been discriminated against snd victimised by an asshole council who see motorists pretty much as hitler saw jews, so its unsurprising they are unforgiving of even legal road users on two wheels as the highway code called us when i last read it. I’ve mentioned on here the antics of a prize asshole i encountered during that 2010-12 period. I was on my electrically assisted giant lafree twist - essentially a shopperbike like the raleigh 20 to look at - doing 18 down the main road into Newport from tbe village of Caerleon. At a crossroads with lots of small shops up ahead tbe lights changed from green to amber about 200 yards away and i knew i’d have to stop As i started to gently brake a whole torrent of abuse hit my right ear. Some twat in lycra on a very expensive piece of kit pulled out into the wrong side of the road and went for the lights hell for leather. He went straight through them when they’d been red for at least two seconds A mini at the junction for which the lights had just turned green, and a builder’s fort transit pickup on the other side of the junction had moved off. Lycratwat only just missed going over the mini’s bonnet and the builder had to swerve almost hitting the car Lycratwat had to dodge round the car and in doing so, lost control and went straight into, and through, a bus shelter, disintegrating the safety glass panes with his bike and helmeted head. Two guys waiting for the bus only just jumped clear But Lycratwat stood up, looked at his pretty wrecked bike and rushed at me, swearing all sorts and blaming me for stopping for the red light as the reason for his bike being a wreck. Those were his exact words and i think more than anything tbey show the problem. He went to lump me but the builder who had jumped out of his van to see if the woman in the mini was all right saw him do it and knocked him first into the side of his van and then with one blow out him down in the road. He later crawled off taking his wrecked bike with him. Possibly unkindly the builder shouted ‘theres a bike shop 100 yards on the left ahead maybe they’ll buy it off you for scrap’ The builder and i then turned our attention to the woman in the mini who was in a hell of a state. About 30 other motorists saw this all happen and its fair to say shit like this can bring out the best in people because they were really nice about it despite the chaos screwing up their journeys to work. These days councils roll out shared spaces and pilice turn a complete blind eye. In newport’s centre at the end of the main shopping street there’s about 30 takeaway food places and a whole pile of deliveroo and just eat gig economy drivers and tiders. It’s total chaos and the main police station is 50 yards away. I’ve lost count of the number of moving traffic offences i have witnessed at this area that were also witnessed by officers entering and leaving that station, who did fuck all. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 26, 2023 12:53:04 GMT
It's why I live where I do. You get young kids playing in my road. They are so polite and well behaved though. You also get foreign tourists, but they are cultured. Many are from Europe, some from the Far East. They come here because it is a super-mellow place. My road is so lovely it is a tourist attraction! I do muck in myself and try and keep the front garden looking good like all the other houses also do, bar one.
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Post by patman post on May 26, 2023 13:09:29 GMT
It's why I live where I do. You get young kids playing in my road. They are so polite and well behaved though. You also get foreign tourists, but they are cultured. Many are from Europe, some from the Far East. They come here because it is a super-mellow place. My road is so lovely it is a tourist attraction! I do muck in myself and try and keep the front garden looking good like all the other houses also do, bar one. I find it surprising that you actually venture out into your front garden — is it anywhere near Cardiff...? |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 26, 2023 14:55:57 GMT
It's why I live where I do. You get young kids playing in my road. They are so polite and well behaved though. You also get foreign tourists, but they are cultured. Many are from Europe, some from the Far East. They come here because it is a super-mellow place. My road is so lovely it is a tourist attraction! I do muck in myself and try and keep the front garden looking good like all the other houses also do, bar one. I find it surprising that you actually venture out into your front garden — is it anywhere near Cardiff...? I've been working in it all week. It's the other side of the Severn Estuary, far enough away from trouble. |
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Post by om15 on May 26, 2023 17:17:21 GMT
Mark Drakeford lays the blame for feral and uncontrollable Welsh yobbo youths on Westminster, obviously.
The First Minister compared the riots to a similar occurrence in 1991 and slammed the government for the "systemic erosion of the things that sustain community life".
The UK Government was responsible for creating the conditions that led to the riots in Cardiff on Monday following the death of two teenage boys, the Welsh first minister has claimed. Mark Drakeford argued the "erosion" of community life, public services and citizens’ incomes created the circumstances that led to the brutal riots that saw multiple police officers injured and cars torched.
Devolution is a disaster, both Scotland and Wales are third world banana failed states being led by utter morons and being kept afloat by our money, it really is time the English were able to have a say in all this.
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Post by bancroft on May 26, 2023 19:50:08 GMT
Mark Drakeford lays the blame for feral and uncontrollable Welsh yobbo youths on Westminster, obviously. The First Minister compared the riots to a similar occurrence in 1991 and slammed the government for the "systemic erosion of the things that sustain community life".The UK Government was responsible for creating the conditions that led to the riots in Cardiff on Monday following the death of two teenage boys, the Welsh first minister has claimed. Mark Drakeford argued the "erosion" of community life, public services and citizens’ incomes created the circumstances that led to the brutal riots that saw multiple police officers injured and cars torched.Devolution is a disaster, both Scotland and Wales are third world banana failed states being led by utter morons and being kept afloat by our money, it really is time the English were able to have a say in all this. I think if we are strong-armed back into the EU then go back as separate states so they can't blame us anymore. |
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Post by jonksy on May 26, 2023 23:24:51 GMT
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Post by johnofgwent on May 27, 2023 7:59:34 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-65714633I understand now why Twatford is so upset He’s lost two VOTERS Yes VOTERS One of these lawbreakers was already old enough to vote Labour The other was about to be. Anyone lining up to say they were too young to know what they were doing was illegal on several counts needs to remember Twatford has lowered the voting age to 16 (while raising the age at which you can get married to 18) in his fiefdom. And before the green elite started to lobby for it to be decriminalised by the back door, the only vehicle you were allowed to ride at 16 required a helmet, registration, tax, insurance and a (provisional) driving licence. And a year after i was old enough to ride one, they made it illegal to have one that could do more than 30 (So the average boy racer went out and bought an imported exhaust which didn’t have the aperture restriction that caused the back pressure that restricted the engine revs, so they could do 50 on a vehicle whose brakes, suspension and lighting were designed to a budget for a vehicle design max speed of 20-25). Insane stupidity was always present in the late teenage male, its just that until the 1990’s we had an army in need of an intake to be culled… so the problem was less widespread.
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Post by johnofgwent on May 27, 2023 8:12:03 GMT
aren’t those balloons illegal now in wales ? I’m sure twatford passed a law banning them on some dodgy wildlife protection grounds |
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Post by Red Rackham on May 28, 2023 1:40:30 GMT
aren’t those balloons illegal now in wales ? I’m sure twatford passed a law banning them on some dodgy wildlife protection grounds Indeed, Twatford banned the releasing of balloons and lanterns in 2018. Clearly, a meaningless law. |
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Post by Handyman on May 29, 2023 19:55:54 GMT
As John has said its not a E Scooter it an Electric Bike IMHO an off road one, and not meant to carry two, yes the bike was picked up on a house CCTV followed by a Police Van , no blues or twos how according to the media both doing 28 mph how they got that figure no idea. As John has pointed out its a rough estate usual antisocial behaviour drugs, again according to the media the Police have been clamping down on youths riding on scooters, motorbikes, e bikes etc , in that area In the media were two photographs of the boys one of them is holding a large spliff , perhaps the boys were high at the time who knows , The boys on the E Bike turned off and down a street or alleyway with bollards to stop vehicles going down it so even if the Police were following them or about to stop them or try to they could not follow them, as the Senior Police Officer stated after the tragic accident the Police Vehicles can be tracked , no Police vehicle was in the street at the time when the boys died, according to the media it was 900 meters away in another street, unless other information evidence to prove otherwise IMHO a tragic accident they fell of. Rumour control took over then and the Police were attacked 15 of them injured 11 of them taken to hospital , even a member of the public a man was attacked as the rioters thought he was a plain clothes Cop I think the first clips we saw had the kids on e-scooters looks now like they switched vehicles. The clip I saw is and off road E Bike with both boys of it |
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Post by bancroft on May 29, 2023 19:58:50 GMT
I think the first clips we saw had the kids on e-scooters looks now like they switched vehicles. The clip I saw is and off road E Bike with both boys of it Not for me, first was e-scooters then later bike though of course that may just be due to when we checked the news sources as they have moved somewhat. |
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Post by johnofgwent on May 30, 2023 9:07:44 GMT
Something people need to understand is the area has form for kicking off www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-37183995In 1991 the BBC had no problems openly describing the ethnicity of a shopkeeper who went to court and amazingly got a bloody injunction preventing a neighbouring store from selling bread cheaper than the over the top prices he was charging. In a story broadcast now to highlight the speed at which riots can be kicked off thanks to social media, this report is of an event that took days to organise but saw 500 people tell overcharging Pakistani shopkeepers just what they thought of them. And when the police turned up they were given the same treatment. Back then Willie Whitelaws short sharp shock crap meant leaner fitter criminals. Today this couldn’t happen the lard arses could not outrun the plod Incidentally, isn’t this chap whingeing about social media one of Twatford’s academia pals ? I swear that’s where he got his pre-welsh-assembly pension from. |
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Post by Red Rackham on May 31, 2023 1:39:43 GMT
Something people need to understand is the area has form for kicking off www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-37183995In 1991 the BBC had no problems openly describing the ethnicity of a shopkeeper who went to court and amazingly got a bloody injunction preventing a neighbouring store from selling bread cheaper than the over the top prices he was charging. In a story broadcast now to highlight the speed at which riots can be kicked off thanks to social media, this report is of an event that took days to organise but saw 500 people tell overcharging Pakistani shopkeepers just what they thought of them. And when the police turned up they were given the same treatment. Back then Willie Whitelaws short sharp shock crap meant leaner fitter criminals. Today this couldn’t happen the lard arses could not outrun the plod Incidentally, isn’t this chap whingeing about social media one of Twatford’s academia pals ? I swear that’s where he got his pre-welsh-assembly pension from. Never heard of the bread riots, to be fair I wasn't living in the UK at the time. But it's an interesting link. |
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