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Post by om15 on May 21, 2023 7:40:06 GMT
Just out of curiosity what further "rights" does Starmer intend to bestow on workers? They can already strike to their hearts' content, work from home, go sick for months on end, use woke nonsense to disrupt their employers business.
What we need is someone to remove a few workers rights.
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Post by colbops on May 21, 2023 8:57:11 GMT
Just out of curiosity what further "rights" does Starmer intend to bestow on workers? They can already strike to their hearts' content, work from home, go sick for months on end, use woke nonsense to disrupt their employers business. What we need is someone to remove a few workers rights. I dunno, I quite like the idea of a year's paternity leave for men. Seems a bit sexist and discriminatory that men only get 2 weeks. Beyond that 2 weeks isn't a lot of time for the woman to recover from the birth and be back on her feet to cope with being on her own with a baby all day. Better than that extend it to two years. the WHO recommend Breastfeeding up to two years. Bit difficult to do when you've got to go back to work after 1 year. Minimum 5% pension employer contribution minimum 10% overall- 3% isn't enough. 5% employer 5% employee would actually give people sensible retirement pots. Maximum 6 month probation periods with full rights to recourse for unfair dismissal etc after that point. The whole idea of having to wait 2 years before you gain full employee rights is ridiculous and some unscrupulous employers take advantage of that. Minimum notice must work both ways. Many employers insist you give them more notice than they give you - crazy. If you must give them 3 months notice then they should be made to give you 3 months notice. Restrictive covenants - Eliminate covenants that restrict you from getting another job. I actually had an employer who said I couldn't work in a related industry for 6 months even if they terminated my contact (where they only had to give 1 month). That shouldn't be legal. Either restrictions shouldn't be allowed or the employer should be required to continue to pay you full during any period of restriction. Working time directive - Employers shouldn't be allowed to 'ask you' to opt out as part of the recruitment process. Their should either be no opt out, or the opt out should only be on the table following successful completion of the probation period so employees don't feel pressured to do so. That's just a couple of things off the top of my head. If I gave it some thought there would be others I'm sure. Has Starmer actually given it any thought and set out some specifics. If he hasn't I'd be pressuring him to actually set out some definitive commitments before I'd believe him - and to be able to hold him to account later.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2023 9:18:51 GMT
Just out of curiosity what further "rights" does Starmer intend to bestow on workers? They can already strike to their hearts' content, work from home, go sick for months on end, use woke nonsense to disrupt their employers business. What we need is someone to remove a few workers rights. No they cannot, the Tories have weakened workers rights. What rights do you think should be removed from workers? Bearing in mid they are people who need to eat, have somewhere decent to live, have their children educated, pay for dentistry for their children ..............................
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Post by om15 on May 21, 2023 9:28:35 GMT
I don't quite like the idea of paying for that.
Indeed, which is why they shouldn't have to bear the tax burden of paying for unionised snout in trough lazy bastard strikers to hold the country to ransom.
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Post by Red Rackham on May 21, 2023 9:34:14 GMT
Just out of curiosity what further "rights" does Starmer intend to bestow on workers? They can already strike to their hearts' content, work from home, go sick for months on end, use woke nonsense to disrupt their employers business. What we need is someone to remove a few workers rights. No they cannot, the Tories have weakened workers rights. What rights do you think should be removed from workers? Bearing in mid they are people who need to eat, have somewhere decent to live, have their children educated, pay for dentistry for their children .............................. Christ almighty you pro EU outraged lefties are completely bloody clueless. It's as if you havent been on this planet let alone this bloody country for the past 30 years. Nothing in recent history has had a bigger detrimental effect on workers rights than mass immigration. It has cost 2 in 10 British workers their jobs, it has kept shop floor pay low, it has enabled employers to force zero hours contracts on employees, and has seen the rise of the gig economy. None of these things would have been possible without mass immigration and lets not forget who the biggest supporters of mass immigration are, the pro EU Labour party and the left wing TUC.
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Post by colbops on May 21, 2023 9:34:50 GMT
I don't quite like the idea of paying for that. I don't care
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Post by see2 on May 21, 2023 9:58:07 GMT
Just out of curiosity what further "rights" does Starmer intend to bestow on workers? They can already strike to their hearts' content, work from home, go sick for months on end, use woke nonsense to disrupt their employers business. What we need is someone to remove a few workers rights. Perfect right wing nonsense, so added to poor working conditions (I've sampled many) low pay and Union controlling legislation including the ban on the right to down tools and walk off the job in protest (wild cat strikes), we should further reduce workers rights. Well maybe, but only after the right for those at the top who are the first to dip their hands into the till to satisfy their greed, has been reduced. And increases in financial reward at the top are reflected by increases throughout the system, including low paid workers. Never going to happen is it?
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Post by see2 on May 21, 2023 10:10:18 GMT
No they cannot, the Tories have weakened workers rights. What rights do you think should be removed from workers? Bearing in mid they are people who need to eat, have somewhere decent to live, have their children educated, pay for dentistry for their children .............................. Christ almighty you pro EU outraged lefties are completely bloody clueless. It's as if you havent been on this planet let alone this bloody country for the past 30 years. Nothing in recent history has had a bigger detrimental effect on workers rights than mass immigration. It has cost 2 in 10 British workers their jobs, it has kept shop floor pay low, it has enabled employers to force zero hours contracts on employees, and has seen the rise of the gig economy. None of these things would have been possible without mass immigration and lets not forget who the biggest supporters of mass immigration are, the pro EU Labour party and the left wing TUC. You are a headache with your persistent nonsense and exaggerations on mass immigration and low pay, job losses, zero hour contracts etc. The true cause of all of these problems is CAPITALISM. And you are unlikely to change the system especially if voting Conservative. The Bosses determine pay rates, zero hour contracts and who they employ, the government determines the level of immigration. If you want change kick a few Conservative arses, instead of whinging on here. Remember the Tories have dominated parliament in this country, it seems forever. EDIT: I'm not against Capitalism per se.
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Post by see2 on May 21, 2023 10:14:56 GMT
The biggest pricks by far are you righties and one of your leaders Trump. If only you could find a second brain cell To be fair you are both as bad as each other. All your righty leftie carry on is music to the 1%. While you and your ilk continue to take childish shots at each other they quietly sit back and control 99% of of the wealth, resources, and the direction of travel while they enjoy damned good lives at your expense. I have a go at them from time to time as well. In fact I think i just did a post or two ago.
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Post by Einhorn on May 21, 2023 10:18:40 GMT
Just out of curiosity what further "rights" does Starmer intend to bestow on workers? They can already strike to their hearts' content, work from home, go sick for months on end, use woke nonsense to disrupt their employers business. What we need is someone to remove a few workers rights. Maybe, schemes to give workers more shares in the companies they work for. If you are an employee, you won't use the voting right your share gives you to vote for your company to move to Malaysia just because your product can be made cheaper there. Of course, the workers having that sort of control over the means of production smacks of Marxism, so you lot will be opposed to it either way.
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Post by Pacifico on May 21, 2023 10:48:42 GMT
Just out of curiosity what further "rights" does Starmer intend to bestow on workers? They can already strike to their hearts' content, work from home, go sick for months on end, use woke nonsense to disrupt their employers business. What we need is someone to remove a few workers rights. Maybe, schemes to give workers more shares in the companies they work for. If you are an employee, you won't use the voting right your share gives you to vote for your company to move to Malaysia just because your product can be made cheaper there. Of course, the workers having that sort of control over the means of production smacks of Marxism, so you lot will be opposed to it either way. We had that at a company I used to work - employees could take the yearly bonus in shares rather than cash. Hardly anyone bothered though.
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Post by Einhorn on May 21, 2023 10:50:25 GMT
Maybe, schemes to give workers more shares in the companies they work for. If you are an employee, you won't use the voting right your share gives you to vote for your company to move to Malaysia just because your product can be made cheaper there. Of course, the workers having that sort of control over the means of production smacks of Marxism, so you lot will be opposed to it either way. We had that at a company I used to work - employees could take the yearly bonus in shares rather than cash. Hardly anyone bothered though. Yeah, I don't suppose many workers would show up to vote on whether their company should move their jobs to Malaysia, either. It's a lot of fuss.
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Post by Pacifico on May 21, 2023 11:07:39 GMT
We had that at a company I used to work - employees could take the yearly bonus in shares rather than cash. Hardly anyone bothered though. Yeah, I don't suppose many workers would show up to vote on whether their company should move their jobs to Malaysia, either. It's a lot of fuss. Well if they dont want shares in the company then they obviously are not going to bother turning up for a vote they cannot participate in. Lot easier just to go and work for the outfit down the road.
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Post by Einhorn on May 21, 2023 11:12:50 GMT
Yeah, I don't suppose many workers would show up to vote on whether their company should move their jobs to Malaysia, either. It's a lot of fuss. Well if they dont want shares in the company then they obviously are not going to bother turning up for a vote they cannot participate in. Lot easier just to go and work for the outfit down the road. Well, if you don't support such a scheme, you've no right to moan when companies move their production abroad. There's a way to stop it. It's a bit lefty, though.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2023 11:43:29 GMT
I don't quite like the idea of paying for that. Indeed, which is why they shouldn't have to bear the tax burden of paying for unionised snout in trough lazy bastard strikers to hold the country to ransom. So strikers do not come into the group of "people who need to eat, have somewhere decent to live, have their children educated, pay for dentistry for their children", they are just lazy, tell that to the nurses, doctors barristers..........
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