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Post by see2 on May 20, 2023 7:30:18 GMT
Says a lot about your level of bias.
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Post by Fairsociety on May 20, 2023 7:33:21 GMT
We don't need foreign workers, we need to get our workshy lazy bone idle bastards off their fat arses and back to work, just like we need to get the useless WFH back in the office. Incentives might help for the unskilled, untrained and those wanting to learn a profession. Are you claiming the UK has skilled and professional "work shy lazy bone idle bastards" who need to get off their fat arses? What skills do you need to pick fruit, or sweep roads, window cleaners, it's not rocket science, they are the foreign workers Starmer wants to flood the UK with, he doesn't want foreign skilled workers.
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Post by sheepy on May 20, 2023 7:35:25 GMT
We don't need foreign workers, we need to get our workshy lazy bone idle bastards off their fat arses and back to work, just like we need to get the useless WFH back in the office. Incentives might help for the unskilled, untrained and those wanting to learn a profession. Are you claiming the UK has skilled and professional "work shy lazy bone idle bastards" who need to get off their fat arses? No the idea that AI would feed you in the future was pure conjecture, while you could sit at home looking clever while punching your keyboard would make everything hunky dory, it never would and now we have a couple of generations who believe they don't need to manual labour, but can import it. Which was always another disaster in waiting, while a few years ago we sent students to pick crops lower their debts and get real work experience, they were turned away as not suitable. While the likes of Charlie cried we have no one to pick the crops and don't let them rot. What a wanker.
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Post by see2 on May 20, 2023 8:16:10 GMT
Incentives might help for the unskilled, untrained and those wanting to learn a profession. Are you claiming the UK has skilled and professional "work shy lazy bone idle bastards" who need to get off their fat arses? What skills do you need to pick fruit, or sweep roads, window cleaners, it's not rocket science, they are the foreign workers Starmer wants to flood the UK with, he doesn't want foreign skilled workers. Yes, you clearly do not recognise the full implications of the internal damage done by Thatcher to British industry and the British workforce. Such a lack of skilled and professional people even to the case of Poland offering incentives to Polish electricians if they would return from the UK back to Poland. I myself left 30 years of training and experience in engineering behind me thanks to Thatcher's bull in a china shop ideology that put hundreds of thousands of skilled and professional workers out of work. And destroyed the apprenticeship system by imposing 'Self Employed' status on the workforce.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2023 8:41:54 GMT
Incentives might help for the unskilled, untrained and those wanting to learn a profession. Are you claiming the UK has skilled and professional "work shy lazy bone idle bastards" who need to get off their fat arses? What skills do you need to pick fruit, or sweep roads, window cleaners, it's not rocket science, they are the foreign workers Starmer wants to flood the UK with, he doesn't want foreign skilled workers. We already take foreign skilled workers in this country and have done since the year dot. It is not the 'skills' required as to why we need unskilled workers to pick fruit and veg it is the seasonal nature of the work. UK citizens would have to continually uproot to to be able to make a decent wage from this seasonal work. People have always travelled round the EU fruit picking but we have lost that labour now.
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Post by jonksy on May 20, 2023 8:58:44 GMT
1. NO, it sounds like your silly interpretation of Starmer's aims. 2. His aim to follow private investments 'side by side' with government investment is one way to improve employment prospects. We don't need foreign workers, we need to get our workshy lazy bone idle bastards off their fat arses and back to work, just like we need to get the useless WFH back in the office. It don't take long mate to bring out the biden tribute. Not sure who are the biggest pricks him or starmer and co.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2023 9:08:42 GMT
We don't need foreign workers, we need to get our workshy lazy bone idle bastards off their fat arses and back to work, just like we need to get the useless WFH back in the office. It don't take long mate to bring out the biden tribute. Not sure who are the biggest pricks him or starmer and co. I think the biggest pricks are you pair of clowns.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2023 9:27:57 GMT
Incentives might help for the unskilled, untrained and those wanting to learn a profession. Are you claiming the UK has skilled and professional "work shy lazy bone idle bastards" who need to get off their fat arses? What skills do you need to pick fruit, or sweep roads, window cleaners, it's not rocket science, they are the foreign workers Starmer wants to flood the UK with, he doesn't want foreign skilled workers. The problem is practicalities for most people. Most fruit picking jobs are in the middle of nowhere because fruit tends to be grown in the countryside not the cities. Public transport to these areas are poor to non-existent. And the jobs are too short term and low paid to allow potential work seeking commuters to afford the necessary transport to get them to and from these areas. Most of what low cost housing to rent there might have been in these rural areas that could have housed a local workforce has been sold off. And potential workers coming from the cities often cannot afford the frequently extortionate local rents, all the more so since they have a home back in the city to pay rent for too, and housing benefits would not pay for both. The obstacles to taking such work are therefore too great for many. The migrant workers had the advantage that they had no home elsewhere in the country to maintain, and often no family in this country to be responsible for and were thus temporarily willing to live 6 to a caravan. The day I see you fruit picking in such conditions is the day I will consider joining you in the endeavour. To make fruit picking economically viable for the large pools of potential labour available in cities, the fruit farms should lay on minibus services to and from the nearest major town. Besides which the vast majority of no longer economically active people are not young layabouts as you lot prefer to imagine but the retired, including those many in their 50s who took early retirement during the pandemic. Most of these are well off enough to own their own transport and could thus easily make it to and from the nearest fruit farm. And you know what? I reckon if the government made all income earned from fruit picking tax free and non-means tested, they'd soon get the vacancies filled.
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Post by Pacifico on May 20, 2023 10:49:39 GMT
We currently have 5 million on out of work welfare so perhaps restricting the overly generous handouts might encourage some of them to get a job.
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Post by Vinny on May 20, 2023 11:09:39 GMT
Nigel Farage did not say that Brexit failed, he said the government failed to take advantage of the benefits. The economic data is quite clear, Brexit is a success.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2023 11:21:59 GMT
We currently have 5 million on out of work welfare so perhaps restricting the overly generous handouts might encourage some of them to get a job. Actually there are 1,572,000 people not working and on unemployment related benefits. So your grossly exaggerated figure either includes the sick or disabled or those in work on low pay needing welfare top ups, or carers, or all three. Unless you made it up, or believed some guff you read in a Tory propaganda sheet. And there is a lot of churn in those figures, a large number being people who have lost their jobs recently and who will typically find new ones soon. So the hard core of long term umemployed in those figures are a few hundred thousand only, which is a tiny fraction of the working age population. Yes this hard core should not be ignored but the problem with them is going to be multi-faceted. They will include habitual criminal types, those with learning disabilities, those with addictions of some kind, those with undiagnosed mental health conditions, and those working cash in hand in the black economy. And of course those who for whatever reason have come to the conclusion that work doesnt pay for them. But it is a myth to imagine that there are vast millions refusing to work. There are a few for a variety of reasons, some of which I have just described, but they are a tiny minority of the potential workforce. www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peoplenotinwork/outofworkbenefitsAnd for any jobs in the middle of nowhere to be viable, there needs to be either a local readily available labour force or a viable means for people further afield to get there. And if you think welfare handouts are generous - typically just £324 a month for a single person - I'd like to see you survive on it. Large welfare payouts are mostly due to extortionate rents, which of course do not enrich the claimants themselves but go straight into the pockets of landlords who are thus getting far more taxpayers' money thrown their way than claimant tenants are.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2023 11:24:28 GMT
Nigel Farage did not say that Brexit failed, he said the government failed to take advantage of the benefits. The economic data is quite clear, Brexit is a success. Keep telling yourself that. If Brexit is a success could you please invite the rest of us into your alternate reality?
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Post by jonksy on May 20, 2023 11:34:12 GMT
Nigel Farage did not say that Brexit failed, he said the government failed to take advantage of the benefits. The economic data is quite clear, Brexit is a success. Keep telling yourself that. If Brexit is a success could you please invite the rest of us into your alternate reality? Anything that rattles the remnants cage is a success. Good innit?
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2023 11:49:58 GMT
Keep telling yourself that. If Brexit is a success could you please invite the rest of us into your alternate reality? Anything that rattles the remnants cage is a success. Good innit? You lot looking ever more deluded whilst talking ever more shite gives us something to laugh at, but it also constantly reminds us that the idiot vote is still out there believing any old nonsense. And you are clearly one of the ones leading the charge. Personally, I find anything that triggers you utter clowns quite amusing. If Starmer gets elected and does give us a much closer alignment with the EU, it would be almost worth it alone just to see you lot ranting and raving. I look forward to the exaggerated shit being spouted in anticipation of a damned good laugh. lol
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2023 12:03:03 GMT
The opening post is full of blatant lies ( but then it is The Daily Mail )
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