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Post by Fairsociety on May 26, 2023 10:11:56 GMT
The problem is France, our border control should be able to stop these migrants in the channel as they approach UK waters and hand them back to the French, it's a farce that the illegal migrants are dictating the terms by refusing to be rescued by French border patrols, they shouldn't have a say in the matter. I disagree, The problem is that we can't control our own borders, that isn't France's problem. That is ours. In fact, that we're incapable of making decisions to do so, actually helps France. If you want to do anything serious about immigration then we need to empower the authorities to do it and toughen up and do what needs to be done. Otherwise it's stupid arguments like today's headlines whinging about universities bringing in students rather than actually tackling the elephant in the room. But it is the problem of the French by allowing them to be able to get into dingy's in the first place.
The UK can not control the French borders, that's the job of the French border control, which they are clearly failing miserably, likewise if thousands of UK migrants decided to jump into dingy's and head to France, the French would demand that the UK 'control' it's own borders, and would promptly escort them back to the UK .
The problem is the UK, we are too afraid of upsetting our neighbours.
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Post by Tinculin on May 26, 2023 10:29:47 GMT
Border forces do not stop people leaving the country, they stop them from getting in. I know we are paying for French to do things around Calais, but it's a wasted effort and IMO, a pointless exercise. You can't stop people from getting onto a boat if they want to do so.
It's not the French letting illegal migrants into our borders, that's on us and it's not the French letting illegal migrants stay within our country, that's on us.
While I should state clearly that I don't support such measures, it's entirely a problem we can control if there was the will to do so. Parliament could pass laws to have anyone arrested the moment they land here illegally. They could pass laws to remove us from any treaties that would otherwise prevent us from immediately flying those people to another country or the North Pole. They could pass laws to immediately seize any and all assets of anyone in the UK who assists in illegal migration and use those funds to help pay for such a scheme.
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Post by Dan Dare on May 26, 2023 10:33:20 GMT
"The problem is the UK, we are too afraid of upsetting our neighbours."
I don't think it's so much the neighbours as the 'refugees welcome' fanatics in the civil service, the media, the judiciary, the legal profession, academia, the public sector generally and the 'migrants rights' charity sector etc etc. Not to mention the substantial 'bridgehead communities' that are already here.
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Post by Tinculin on May 26, 2023 10:54:31 GMT
"The problem is the UK, we are too afraid of upsetting our neighbours." I don't think it's so much the neighbours as the 'refugees welcome' fanatics in the civil service, the media, the judiciary, the legal profession, academia, the public sector generally and the 'migrants rights' charity sector etc etc. Not to mention the substantial 'bridgehead communities' that are already here. Pretty much this. I think the number of people who do not want to get 'tough' on immigration far outweigh the numbers that do & while that's the case, any talk of slowing immigration is in my opinion, just silly and we have to accept we're responsible for the actions (or lack of action), we've decided to take. |
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Post by Fairsociety on May 26, 2023 11:02:03 GMT
"The problem is the UK, we are too afraid of upsetting our neighbours." I don't think it's so much the neighbours as the 'refugees welcome' fanatics in the civil service, the media, the judiciary, the legal profession, academia, the public sector generally and the 'migrants rights' charity sector etc etc. Not to mention the substantial 'bridgehead communities' that are already here. We have the power to protect our land, and we aren't using it, I can't see the logic in fanatics in the civil service wanting the country overrun with foreign criminals.
I think we might have to dig deeper, the UK offered France our own UK border force to work with the French (at a cost to us), and they refused, why would you refuse free policing, it serves a purpose that the French desperately want rid of these undesirables, and yes it's the UK fault for not turning them back, or instantly removing them to a processing center, like Rwanda.
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Post by Dan Dare on May 26, 2023 11:03:23 GMT
It is simply irrational to blame the French or even the 'unelected dictators in Brussels' for the shambles that passes for immigration policy in Britain.
It is a problem that is entirely self-inflicted (and always has been)
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Post by Fairsociety on May 26, 2023 11:40:32 GMT
It is simply irrational to blame the French or even the 'unelected dictators in Brussels' for the shambles that passes for immigration policy in Britain. It is a problem that is entirely self-inflicted (and always has been) What it does prove, if the UK ever came under invasion we are ill prepared for it, if we can't knock back illegal migrants in dinghy's, we've got no chance of fighting back military hostile forces. |
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Post by Bentley on May 26, 2023 12:09:11 GMT
Our weakness is that France (especially its ports across the channel ) is our main gateway to Europe . They can exert a lot of pressure on the UK and we know it .
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2023 18:35:40 GMT
You just said you wanted to vote for Michael Foot - does not compute.  Michael Foot had his flaws and was well past his best, but I believed in many of the policies. Many of them I still do. Though the 83 manifesto promised far too much with nowhere near enough of it costed. |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2023 18:37:32 GMT
If international laws and agreements are loading against the interests of the UK then why should we be obliged to submit to those laws and agreements ? We should be able to identify uncontrolled immigration as an existential threat to the UK and take the appropriate action to solve the problem . Should everyone decide not to adhere to laws they thought were not in their own interests? |
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Post by colbops on May 26, 2023 18:50:34 GMT
It is simply irrational to blame the French or even the 'unelected dictators in Brussels' for the shambles that passes for immigration policy in Britain. It is a problem that is entirely self-inflicted (and always has been) Makes complete sense to blame the French. They are unable to control their borders and it in turn is making it difficult for the UK to control its borders. Perfectly reasonable for the UK to inform France that it either controls its borders or the UK will declare it a failed state and send 'peacekeeping troops' to secure it for them. UK government needs to stop giving France money, send in the troops, and mine the beaches from Dunkirk to Cherbourg. About time the UK was at war with France again. Its been way too long since the last one and it is well overdue. |
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Post by Bentley on May 26, 2023 19:00:02 GMT
If international laws and agreements are loading against the interests of the UK then why should we be obliged to submit to those laws and agreements ? We should be able to identify uncontrolled immigration as an existential threat to the UK and take the appropriate action to solve the problem . Should everyone decide not to adhere to laws they thought were not in their own interests? You seem to be confused . Individuals are not nations . |
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Post by Dan Dare on May 26, 2023 21:03:07 GMT
It is simply irrational to blame the French or even the 'unelected dictators in Brussels' for the shambles that passes for immigration policy in Britain. It is a problem that is entirely self-inflicted (and always has been) Makes complete sense to blame the French. They are unable to control their borders and it in turn is making it difficult for the UK to control its borders. Perfectly reasonable for the UK to inform France that it either controls its borders or the UK will declare it a failed state and send 'peacekeeping troops' to secure it for them. UK government needs to stop giving France money, send in the troops, and mine the beaches from Dunkirk to Cherbourg. About time the UK was at war with France again. Its been way too long since the last one and it is well overdue.
Haha. Very twee.
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Post by Toreador on May 27, 2023 4:47:19 GMT
Makes complete sense to blame the French. They are unable to control their borders and it in turn is making it difficult for the UK to control its borders. Perfectly reasonable for the UK to inform France that it either controls its borders or the UK will declare it a failed state and send 'peacekeeping troops' to secure it for them. UK government needs to stop giving France money, send in the troops, and mine the beaches from Dunkirk to Cherbourg. About time the UK was at war with France again. Its been way too long since the last one and it is well overdue.
Haha. Very twee.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2023 6:19:35 GMT
Should everyone decide not to adhere to laws they thought were not in their own interests? You seem to be confused . Individuals are not nations . But laws apply to nations too. They are internationally agreed laws signed up to by the UK. Leaders who have broken international laws have in the past been hanged or imprisoned for it. |
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