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Post by see2 on May 21, 2023 20:38:52 GMT
But fair considering his propensity for flogging a dead horse, although personally I think that "Wonky Donkey" suits him better. Typical 'less than a full shilling' Righty denigration ^^^ |
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Post by see2 on May 21, 2023 20:43:14 GMT
It has already been pointed out to you that according to the law, adulthood starts at 18 years old. Prior to adulthood, is childhood. Funny how the remainers act like children isn't it mate? Overwhelmed by your own childishness of course. Mr. EUSSR man  |
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Post by Pacifico on May 21, 2023 21:46:24 GMT
If they want a vote in a particular AGM they can go out and buy shares at any time - but expecting people to buy them on the off-chance that the company is going to move abroad is I suggest, highly unlikely. And from an investment perspective buying shares in the company that you work for is a terrible decision. Maybe, just give them voting rights on whether their company can move abroad, then. They get voting rights by owning shares - if they dont wish to be shareholders why would they get voting rights? |
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Post by Einhorn on May 21, 2023 21:52:20 GMT
Maybe, just give them voting rights on whether their company can move abroad, then. They get voting rights by owning shares - if they dont wish to be shareholders why would they get voting rights? Then, let them be shareholders. OM15 asked what other rights could be given to employees. I responded that they could be given shares and the voting rights that go with those shares. If shares are impractical, then voting rights by themselves will address the problem (moving the company abroad). |
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Post by Pacifico on May 21, 2023 22:05:07 GMT
They get voting rights by owning shares - if they dont wish to be shareholders why would they get voting rights? Then, let them be shareholders. OM15 asked what other rights could be given to employees. I responded that they could be given shares and the voting rights that go with those shares. If shares are impractical, then voting rights by themselves will address the problem (moving the company abroad). Why should they get the ability to make decisions about the company when they are not owners of the company?. If you dont have skin in the game... |
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Post by Einhorn on May 21, 2023 22:08:49 GMT
Then, let them be shareholders. OM15 asked what other rights could be given to employees. I responded that they could be given shares and the voting rights that go with those shares. If shares are impractical, then voting rights by themselves will address the problem (moving the company abroad). Why should they get the ability to make decisions about the company when they are not owners of the company?. If you dont have skin in the game... They have skin in the game - it's their income. Of course, in a capitalist system, there needs to be some reward for the investors' risk. But there's no reason why there can't be a cap on that. If moving the company abroad is simply to make more profit for investors who are already making a handsome return, there is no reason why those whose labour has made those profits shouldn't have some influence on the decision. |
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Post by Pacifico on May 21, 2023 22:16:06 GMT
Why should they get the ability to make decisions about the company when they are not owners of the company?. If you dont have skin in the game... Of course, in a capitalist system, there needs to be some reward for the investors' risk. But there's no reason why there can't be a cap on that. If moving the company abroad is simply to make more profit for investors who are already making a handsome return, there is no reason why those whose labour has made those profits shouldn't have some influence on the decision. Yes - they are rewarded for their labour every month. They have no capital risk in the future of the company though - unlike the owners. The owners are the only people who have the right to a say on the direction of the company - what if the owners decide to sell (or shut down) the company and realise their investment, are you suggesting that the workers should have a veto? How much investment do you think we would get under your system? |
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Post by Einhorn on May 21, 2023 22:21:51 GMT
They have skin in the game - it's their income. Of course, in a capitalist system, there needs to be some reward for the investors' risk. But there's no reason why there can't be a cap on that. If moving the company abroad is simply to make more profit for investors who are already making a handsome return, there is no reason why those whose labour has made those profits shouldn't have some influence on the decision. Yes - they are rewarded for their labour every month. They have no capital risk in the future of the company though - unlike the owners. The owners are the only people who have the right to a say on the direction of the company - what if the owners decide to sell (or shut down) the company and realise their investment, are you suggesting that the workers should have a veto? How much investment do you think we would get under your system? I don't know. But I know that the suggestion has been mooted several times. I'm not sure I'm remembering correctly, but I think that steps have been taken to ensure labour input into such decisions. If that's correct, it is a welcome first step (though, it falls far short of what I suggested, and probably amounts to little more than a right to be heard). I do see that the UK would become less attractive, but that is true of many things (workers' rights more generally, taxes, etc.). |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2023 5:37:05 GMT
But fair considering his propensity for flogging a dead horse, although personally I think that "Wonky Donkey" suits him better. I'm living in your head as a great man once said.😂 |
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Post by jonksy on May 22, 2023 5:47:57 GMT
But fair considering his propensity for flogging a dead horse, although personally I think that "Wonky Donkey" suits him better. I'm living in your head as a great man once said.😂 Pillock |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2023 8:12:24 GMT
I'm living in your head as a great man once said.😂 Pillock Cool, you have learned to capitalise names.😂 |
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Post by see2 on May 22, 2023 8:27:27 GMT
I'm living in your head as a great man once said.😂 Pillock That you are is obvious, so there is no need for you to continue to remind readers. |
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Post by jonksy on May 22, 2023 10:47:59 GMT
Cool, you have learned to capitalise names.😂 But not for morons dead nag. |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2023 11:36:37 GMT
At least I can understand a point, seems beyond you. Can you dead nag? You haven't shown you are capable of understanding the topic. Or anyother topic that is being debated by adults. Have you looked in the mirror lately? Because your statement is actually far more true of you and a few others around here than it is of him. |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2023 11:45:59 GMT
Funny how the remainers act like children isn't it mate? Quite right Jonksy, and I have a theory on that, it's a theory that for some reason annoys srb7677. It goes something like this... In my opinion left wing remainiacs tend to be young and inexperienced and the younger they are the more inexperienced they tend to be, who's surprised? Which is why Labour are so keen on allowing children to vote. Half of your age group dont even understand the internet, though for that very reason they are not represented here. Society is changing all the time and many of you get left behind, your much vaunted experience of past working practices no longer relevant. When it comes to modern technology and life as it is lived today the average 17 year old is often more clued up and experienced than many of you lot, who are often living in the past, much of your past experience no longer relevant today. Many more of them have experienced or are experiencing university, for example. The sense of you lot being out of touch and left behind is particularly true of the more intellectually challenged and life long brainwashed amongst you. You in particular seem to acknowledge no difference between a 17 year old and a 7 year old. |
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