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Post by Einhorn on May 28, 2023 17:54:44 GMT
Y What on earth have ambassadors and high court judges got to do with proceedings? They do not make laws, and you have been told numerous times that cabinet ministers are elected members of parliament. LOL! Good ol' Red! UK law has two sources: parliament and the judiciary. Parliament makes statute law, while the judiciary makes the common law. UK judges make common law every working day of the week. They are not elected. |
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Post by Pacifico on May 28, 2023 21:35:08 GMT
Y What on earth have ambassadors and high court judges got to do with proceedings? They do not make laws, and you have been told numerous times that cabinet ministers are elected members of parliament. LOL! Good ol' Red! UK law has two sources: parliament and the judiciary. Parliament makes statute law, while the judiciary makes the common law. UK judges make common law every working day of the week. They are not elected. Only with the permission of Parliament - Common law rules may be superseded or replaced by legislation. |
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Post by Einhorn on May 28, 2023 22:08:29 GMT
LOL! Good ol' Red! UK law has two sources: parliament and the judiciary. Parliament makes statute law, while the judiciary makes the common law. UK judges make common law every working day of the week. They are not elected. Only with the permission of Parliament - Common law rules may be superseded or replaced by legislation. LOL! Laws 'made' by the Commission can only be made with the permission of the EU Parliament. Duh!!!! |
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Post by Pacifico on May 29, 2023 6:40:15 GMT
Only with the permission of Parliament - Common law rules may be superseded or replaced by legislation. LOL! Laws 'made' by the Commission can only be made with the permission of the EU Parliament. Duh!!!! No - that is not correct. The European Parliament may approve or reject a legislative proposal, or propose amendments to it. The Council is not legally obliged to take account of Parliament’s opinion but in line with the case-law of the Court of Justice, it must not take a decision without having received it.
How does the legislative process work? |
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Post by Einhorn on May 29, 2023 6:51:48 GMT
LOL! Laws 'made' by the Commission can only be made with the permission of the EU Parliament. Duh!!!! No - that is not correct. The European Parliament may approve or reject a legislative proposal, or propose amendments to it. The Council is not legally obliged to take account of Parliament’s opinion but in line with the case-law of the Court of Justice, it must not take a decision without having received it.
How does the legislative process work?Do you want to rethink that, Doc? That's about Parliament's power to initiate legislation. We were talking about something very different. Red said that an unelected body, the Commission, had powers to make laws. I replied for the umpteenth time that unelected judges in the UK also make laws (the common law). You said that the power UK judges have to make laws is unimportant because the UK Parliament could effectively veto the UK judges by 'repealing' any laws the UK judges might make. You said that this effectively meant that UK judges could only make laws with the permission of Parliament. I replied that that is exactly what happens in the EU - The EU Parliament can overrule laws 'made' by the Commission (because nothing the Commission proposes can become law without their permission). So, Red's argument turns out to be yet more bullshit. The unelected UK judges can make laws, subject to the permission of the UK Parliament; The unelected Commission can 'make laws, subject to the permission of the EU Parliament.  |
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Post by Pacifico on May 29, 2023 6:56:09 GMT
No - that is not correct. The European Parliament may approve or reject a legislative proposal, or propose amendments to it. The Council is not legally obliged to take account of Parliament’s opinion but in line with the case-law of the Court of Justice, it must not take a decision without having received it.
How does the legislative process work?Do you want to rethink that, Doc? That's about Parliament's power to initiate legislation. We were talking about something very different. Red said that an unelected body, the Commission, had powers to make laws. I replied for the umpteenth time that unelected judges in the UK also make laws (the common law). You said that the power UK judges have to make laws is important because the UK Parliament could effectively veto the UK judges by 'repealing' any laws the UK judges might make. You said that this effectively meant that UK judges could only make laws with the permission of Parliament. I replied that that is exactly what happens in the EU - The EU Parliament can overrule laws 'made' by the Commission (because nothing the Commission proposes can become law without their permission). Yes - which is wrong - read the link. |
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Post by Einhorn on May 29, 2023 6:58:34 GMT
Do you want to rethink that, Doc? That's about Parliament's power to initiate legislation. We were talking about something very different. Red said that an unelected body, the Commission, had powers to make laws. I replied for the umpteenth time that unelected judges in the UK also make laws (the common law). You said that the power UK judges have to make laws is important because the UK Parliament could effectively veto the UK judges by 'repealing' any laws the UK judges might make. You said that this effectively meant that UK judges could only make laws with the permission of Parliament. I replied that that is exactly what happens in the EU - The EU Parliament can overrule laws 'made' by the Commission (because nothing the Commission proposes can become law without their permission). Yes - which is wrong - read the link. No, you read the link again, Doc. The link is about the EU Parliament's power to make laws. That is a completely different subject. Red was discussing the Commission's power to make laws.  |
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Post by Vinny on May 29, 2023 7:01:12 GMT
Meanwhile, since the referendum, the economy has done better than before it.
Our global exports are up.
Our exports to the EU are up in value above the rate of inflation, any problems are not due to Brexit, but other issues and we can sack our politicians if they do not serve.
Joe Public in the EU cannot vote to sack their Commission overlords.
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Post by Einhorn on May 29, 2023 7:01:47 GMT
Do you want to rethink that, Doc? That's about Parliament's power to initiate legislation. We were talking about something very different. Red said that an unelected body, the Commission, had powers to make laws. I replied for the umpteenth time that unelected judges in the UK also make laws (the common law). You said that the power UK judges have to make laws is important because the UK Parliament could effectively veto the UK judges by 'repealing' any laws the UK judges might make. You said that this effectively meant that UK judges could only make laws with the permission of Parliament. I replied that that is exactly what happens in the EU - The EU Parliament can overrule laws 'made' by the Commission (because nothing the Commission proposes can become law without their permission). Yes - which is wrong - read the link. So, that brings us back to where we were before you interjected with your nonsense, Doc: The unelected UK judges make laws and the unelected Commission 'makes' laws. Once again, showing that Brexiters don't have a clue what they're talking about. |
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Post by Einhorn on May 29, 2023 7:16:03 GMT
Joe Public in the EU cannot vote to sack their Commission overlords. |
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Post by Red Rackham on May 29, 2023 7:19:58 GMT
Only with the permission of Parliament - Common law rules may be superseded or replaced by legislation. LOL! Laws 'made' by the Commission can only be made with the permission of the EU Parliament. Duh!!!! Incorrect. The unelected EU Commission do not need permission from any EU body to plan and propose new EU law, they do this on their own initiative. The elected EU parliament have the right to propose amendments to new laws but the unelected commission are not legally obliged to act on this. This shows who holds the real power in the EU. |
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Post by Red Rackham on May 29, 2023 7:31:27 GMT
Even worse is happening in EU member states like Germany. Indeed it is, but remainiacs and the BBC don't like talking about it. |
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Post by Einhorn on May 29, 2023 7:35:03 GMT
LOL! Laws 'made' by the Commission can only be made with the permission of the EU Parliament. Duh!!!! Incorrect. The unelected EU Commission do not need permission from any EU body to plan and propose new EU law, they do this on their own initiative. The elected EU parliament have the right to propose amendments to new laws but the unelected commission are not legally obliged to act on this. This shows who holds the real power in the EU. This is way above your paygrade, Red. The unelected Commission 'makes' laws; The unelected UK judiciary makes laws. The unelected Commission makes laws behind closed doors (according to you); The unelected UK judiciary makes laws behind closed doors. Joe Public in the EU can't fire the Commission; Joe Public in the UK can't fire the judges. Get your head out of The Daily Mail. |
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Post by Red Rackham on May 29, 2023 7:42:40 GMT
Incorrect. The unelected EU Commission do not need permission from any EU body to plan and propose new EU law, they do this on their own initiative. The elected EU parliament have the right to propose amendments to new laws but the unelected commission are not legally obliged to act on this. This shows who holds the real power in the EU. This is way above your paygrade, Red. The unelected Cpmmission 'makes' laws. The unelected UK judiciary makes laws. The unelected Commission makes laws behind closed doors (according to you); The unelected judiciary makes laws behind closed doors. Get your head out of The Daily Mail. Pillock. |
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Post by Einhorn on May 29, 2023 7:43:31 GMT
This is way above your paygrade, Red. The unelected Cpmmission 'makes' laws. The unelected UK judiciary makes laws. The unelected Commission makes laws behind closed doors (according to you); The unelected judiciary makes laws behind closed doors. Get your head out of The Daily Mail. Pillock. Now, that's just rude. |
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