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Post by Bentley on May 27, 2023 16:41:30 GMT
I’ll file Darlings position with ‘ humans can never travel faster than a horse can run because they will suffocate ‘. The mechanism of consciousness is not known but because it is only found in biological entities means that it cannot exist outside of biological entities .lol
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Post by Orac on May 27, 2023 16:44:33 GMT
Of course - it's absurdly reductive to talk about water or silicone in this context. That was my point. I agree. The idea that silicone has the same bio-chemical make-up as is required to create consciousness is absurd. If it's due to a mechanism that mechanism's function can be generated in other ways. Saying it categorically can't is as silly as saying that machines can't fly because they aren't birds.
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Post by Einhorn on May 27, 2023 16:47:03 GMT
I’ll file Darlings position with ‘ humans can never travel faster than a horse can run because they will suffocate ‘. The mechanism of consciousness is not known but because it is only found in biological entities means that it cannot exist outside of biological entities .lol Sure, there might be conscious rocks. We don't know otherwise. So, I suppose you're right. So far, we know that certain biological and chemical conditions are required to create consciousness. Our knowledge may be limited. The combination of ham and cheese might create consciousness. In which case, the cheese sandwich I ate for lunch was conscious. Your beliefs about talking snakes make more sense, but, as you say, there's no way of knowing that consciousness cannot exist in other circumstances than science has discovered up to this point.
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Post by Einhorn on May 27, 2023 16:49:23 GMT
I agree. The idea that silicone has the same bio-chemical make-up as is required to create consciousness is absurd. If it's due to a mechanism that mechanism's function can be generated in other ways. Saying it categorically can't is as silly as saying that machines can't fly because they aren't birds. Saying that an object that doesn't have consciousness cannot make a conscience decision is no sillier than saying a bachelor can't be married. You can insist that there might be married bachelors somewhere, but I will continue to maintain that that mode of thinking is what is actually silly.
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Post by Orac on May 27, 2023 17:08:44 GMT
If it's due to a mechanism that mechanism's function can be generated in other ways. Saying it categorically can't is as silly as saying that machines can't fly because they aren't birds. Saying that an object that doesn't have consciousness cannot make a conscience decision is no sillier than saying a bachelor can't be married. You can insist that there might be married bachelors somewhere, but I will continue to maintain that that mode of thinking is what is actually silly. what object are you talking about? I don't think anyone in the thread is saying that sand is likely conscious - or water
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Post by sheepy on May 27, 2023 17:33:32 GMT
Last month Mr Pichai said the threat AI poses to humanity 'keeps me up at night'.
His fears were fuelled after his company's new AI chatbot program Bard surprised its makers by learning Bangladeshi without training.
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Post by sheepy on May 27, 2023 17:34:24 GMT
More than a thousand tech executives and academics in the US have called for an emergency pause to the 'dangerous' AI arms race. LOL
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Post by Einhorn on May 27, 2023 17:53:45 GMT
Saying that an object that doesn't have consciousness cannot make a conscience decision is no sillier than saying a bachelor can't be married. You can insist that there might be married bachelors somewhere, but I will continue to maintain that that mode of thinking is what is actually silly. what object are you talking about? I don't think anyone in the thread is saying that sand is likely conscious - or water The object would be the machine.
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Post by Einhorn on May 27, 2023 17:56:57 GMT
Last month Mr Pichai said the threat AI poses to humanity 'keeps me up at night'. His fears were fuelled after his company's new AI chatbot program Bard surprised its makers by learning Bangladeshi without training. Google’s AI apparently learned Bangla without any training However, experts on Twitter quickly pointed out that this was not true, and that the AI had already been trained on Bengali with millions of tokens. asianews.network/googles-ai-apparently-learned-bangla-without-any-training/
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Post by Bentley on May 27, 2023 17:58:56 GMT
I’ll file Darlings position with ‘ humans can never travel faster than a horse can run because they will suffocate ‘. The mechanism of consciousness is not known but because it is only found in biological entities means that it cannot exist outside of biological entities .lol Sure, there might be conscious rocks. We don't know otherwise. So, I suppose you're right. So far, we know that certain biological and chemical conditions are required to create consciousness. Our knowledge may be limited. The combination of ham and cheese might create consciousness. In which case, the cheese sandwich I ate for lunch was conscious. Your beliefs about talking snakes make more sense, but, as you say, there's no way of knowing that consciousness cannot exist in other circumstances than science has discovered up to this point. I never said that there were conscious rocks ..strawman . The combination of ham and cheese is just another strawman . Ah now the member of the cult of magically changing genitals is using yet another strawman . Sorry worsel but consciousness ie “state of being aware of and responsive to one's surroundings.” is only found in biological entities so far but there is no reason to believe that AI could not reproduce it, synthesis it or mimic it .
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Post by Einhorn on May 27, 2023 18:01:07 GMT
Sure, there might be conscious rocks. We don't know otherwise. So, I suppose you're right. So far, we know that certain biological and chemical conditions are required to create consciousness. Our knowledge may be limited. The combination of ham and cheese might create consciousness. In which case, the cheese sandwich I ate for lunch was conscious. Your beliefs about talking snakes make more sense, but, as you say, there's no way of knowing that consciousness cannot exist in other circumstances than science has discovered up to this point. I never said that there were conscious rocks ..strawman . The combination of ham and cheese is just another strawman . Ah now the member of the cult of magically changing genitals is using yet another strawman . Sorry worsel but consciousness ie “state of being aware of and responsive to one's surroundings.” is only found in biological entities so far but there is no reason to believe that AI could not reproduce it, synthesis it or mimic it . Your argument is that there might be other ways to create consciousness, and just because no-one has discovered one yet, doesn't mean this isn't true. I agree. And there might be talking snakes at the bottom of the ocean. Anything's possible, Benny. Did you and Sheepy go to the same school?
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Post by Bentley on May 27, 2023 18:11:09 GMT
I never said that there were conscious rocks ..strawman . The combination of ham and cheese is just another strawman . Ah now the member of the cult of magically changing genitals is using yet another strawman . Sorry worsel but consciousness ie “state of being aware of and responsive to one's surroundings.” is only found in biological entities so far but there is no reason to believe that AI could not reproduce it, synthesis it or mimic it . Your argument is that there might be other ways to create consciousness, and just because no-one has discovered one yet, doesn't mean this isn't true. I agree. And there might be talking snakes at the bottom of the ocean. Anything's possible, Benny. Did you and Sheepy go to the same school? And your argument is that there can’t be other ways to create consciousness outside of biological entities because rocks and cheese sandwiches do not have consciousness. His long did they make you wear the dunces cap in debate club ?😁
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Post by sheepy on May 27, 2023 18:13:28 GMT
I never said that there were conscious rocks ..strawman . The combination of ham and cheese is just another strawman . Ah now the member of the cult of magically changing genitals is using yet another strawman . Sorry worsel but consciousness ie “state of being aware of and responsive to one's surroundings.” is only found in biological entities so far but there is no reason to believe that AI could not reproduce it, synthesis it or mimic it . Your argument is that there might be other ways to create consciousness, and just because no-one has discovered one yet, doesn't mean this isn't true. I agree. And there might be talking snakes at the bottom of the ocean. Anything's possible, Benny. Did you and Sheepy go to the same school? But I told you where you were heading with your posts when you were out of your depth.
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Post by Einhorn on May 27, 2023 18:14:54 GMT
Your argument is that there might be other ways to create consciousness, and just because no-one has discovered one yet, doesn't mean this isn't true. I agree. And there might be talking snakes at the bottom of the ocean. Anything's possible, Benny. Did you and Sheepy go to the same school? And your argument is that there can’t be other ways to create consciousness outside of biological entities because rocks and cheese sandwiches do not have consciousness. His long did they make you wear the dunces cap in debate club ?😁 Just listen to yourself. Give us some kind of clue how consciousness could be created, Benny. When you've done that, explain how something that isn't conscious can make a conscious decision to do anything. Did you finish school, Benny?
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Post by Einhorn on May 27, 2023 18:15:42 GMT
Your argument is that there might be other ways to create consciousness, and just because no-one has discovered one yet, doesn't mean this isn't true. I agree. And there might be talking snakes at the bottom of the ocean. Anything's possible, Benny. Did you and Sheepy go to the same school? But I told you where you were heading with your posts when you were out of your depth. I should have listened, Sheeps.
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