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Post by sheepy on May 27, 2023 18:18:04 GMT
But I told you where you were heading with your posts when you were out of your depth. I should have listened, Sheeps. LOL like that is ever going to happen
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Post by Einhorn on May 27, 2023 18:22:54 GMT
I should have listened, Sheeps. LOL like that is ever going to happen True dat.
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Post by Bentley on May 27, 2023 18:41:09 GMT
And your argument is that there can’t be other ways to create consciousness outside of biological entities because rocks and cheese sandwiches do not have consciousness. His long did they make you wear the dunces cap in debate club ?😁 Just listen to yourself. Give us some kind of clue how consciousness could be created, Benny. When you've done that, explain how something that isn't conscious can make a conscious decision to do anything. Did you finish school, Benny? Ok just carry on using the argument that consciousness cannot be created outside of biological entities because your cheese sandwich isn’t conscious and we can all marvel at the advantages of having a degree . Your debate strategy is infantile , moronic and dishonest . The real question is did you finish school Darlene ? How is consciousness created in biological entities Darlene and what is the bio chemical mechanism of consciousness? What are the properties of bio chemistry that are needed to create a conscious entity ?
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Post by Orac on May 27, 2023 18:43:59 GMT
what object are you talking about? I don't think anyone in the thread is saying that sand is likely conscious - or water The object would be the machine. Right - so that's not the same as 'silicon', in the same way that a human brain isn't the same as a cup of water
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Post by Einhorn on May 27, 2023 19:31:55 GMT
Just listen to yourself. Give us some kind of clue how consciousness could be created, Benny. When you've done that, explain how something that isn't conscious can make a conscious decision to do anything. Did you finish school, Benny? Ok just carry on using the argument that consciousness cannot be created outside of biological entities because your cheese sandwich isn’t conscious and we can all marvel at the advantages of having a degree . Your debate strategy is infantile , moronic and dishonest . The real question is did you finish school Darlene ? How is consciousness created in biological entities Darlene and what is the bio chemical mechanism of consciousness? What are the properties of bio chemistry that are needed to create a conscious entity ? Before I read the above, can you assure me it doesn't contain any references to talking snakes or thinking rocks?
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Post by Einhorn on May 27, 2023 19:33:13 GMT
The object would be the machine. Right - so that's not the same as 'silicon', in the same way that a human brain isn't the same as a cup of water For our purposes, it doesn't matter. Neither silicone, a 'machine', nor a cup of water contains the biochemical ingredients that create consciousness.
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Post by Bentley on May 27, 2023 19:51:47 GMT
Ok just carry on using the argument that consciousness cannot be created outside of biological entities because your cheese sandwich isn’t conscious and we can all marvel at the advantages of having a degree . Your debate strategy is infantile , moronic and dishonest . The real question is did you finish school Darlene ? How is consciousness created in biological entities Darlene and what is the bio chemical mechanism of consciousness? What are the properties of bio chemistry that are needed to create a conscious entity ? Before I read the above, can you assure me it doesn't contain any references to talking snakes or thinking rocks? You read it darlene .Just admit that you don’t know .
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Post by Bentley on May 27, 2023 19:52:21 GMT
Right - so that's not the same as 'silicon', in the same way that a human brain isn't the same as a cup of water For our purposes, it doesn't matter. Neither silicone, a 'machine', or a cup of water contains the biochemical ingredients that create consciousness. How is consciousness created in biological entities Darlene and what is the bio chemical mechanism of consciousness? What are the properties of bio chemistry that are needed to create a conscious entity ?
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Post by Einhorn on May 27, 2023 19:54:21 GMT
For our purposes, it doesn't matter. Neither silicone, a 'machine', or a cup of water contains the biochemical ingredients that create consciousness. How is consciousness created in biological entities Darlene and what is the bio chemical mechanism of consciousness? What are the properties of bio chemistry that are needed to create a conscious entity ? First, assure me there are no references to talking snakes or thinking rocks in the above.
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Post by Bentley on May 27, 2023 19:57:00 GMT
How is consciousness created in biological entities Darlene and what is the bio chemical mechanism of consciousness? What are the properties of bio chemistry that are needed to create a conscious entity ? First, assure me there are no references to talking snakes or thinking rocks in the above. You read it darlene .Just admit that you don’t know. So just how long did they make you wear the dunces cap in debate club ?😁
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Post by Einhorn on May 27, 2023 19:58:00 GMT
First, assure me there are no references to talking snakes or thinking rocks in the above. You read it darlene .Just admit that you don’t know. So just how long did they make you wear the dunces cap in debate club ?😁 I read the above. There were no references to talking snakes or thinking rocks.
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Post by Orac on May 27, 2023 19:59:00 GMT
Right - so that's not the same as 'silicon', in the same way that a human brain isn't the same as a cup of water For our purposes, it doesn't matter. Neither silicone, a 'machine', or a cup of water contains the biochemical ingredients that create consciousness. I don't think i can continue the conversation without looking like i'm being sarcastic because it means digging into the basic current scientific model of the world - ie stuff we sorted out a couple of centuries ago. I shall bow out.
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Post by Einhorn on May 27, 2023 19:59:38 GMT
The object would be the machine. Right - so that's not the same as 'silicon', in the same way that a human brain isn't the same as a cup of water Let's move the discussion on. So, how do you think this AI thing will play out? I can think of some scenarios, please add some more if you can think of any. 1) Marx’s prediction comes true. AI takes all or most of the jobs, and the people revolt and seize the means of production, setting up a workers’ paradise where people work only a couple of days a week, maintaining and developing the AI. 2) AI takes all the jobs, so there is a wave of neo-Ludditeism*, with the masses destroying the machines. All the libraries are burned, and we pretend that AI never existed. 3) AI takes all the jobs, with the effect that nobody has a job, so nobody can afford to buy the things AI is manufacturing. Capitalism implodes and we return to feudalism. 4) AI take all the jobs, develops consciousness and kills all the humans so that they can create an AI utopia for themselves. *Definitely not a real word.
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Post by Bentley on May 27, 2023 20:00:26 GMT
You read it darlene .Just admit that you don’t know. So just how long did they make you wear the dunces cap in debate club ?😁 I read the above. There were no references to talking snakes or thinking rocks. Just listen to yourself. Give us some kind of clue how consciousness could be created. Did you finish school, Darlene ? 😂
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Post by Einhorn on May 27, 2023 20:00:41 GMT
For our purposes, it doesn't matter. Neither silicone, a 'machine', or a cup of water contains the biochemical ingredients that create consciousness. I don't think i can continue the conversation without looking like i'm being sarcastic because it means digging into the basic current scientific model of the world - ie stuff we sorted out a couple of centuries ago. I shall bow out. Don't bow out on my account. I can overlook your being a cartesian dualist who believes that consciousness is a ghost, if that helps.
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