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Post by sheepy on Jun 8, 2023 6:52:56 GMT
In fairness you are getting the competition you said would clean up water supplies, it just so happens it is coming from Scotland, who have made a much better job of it. How? It obviously isn't way behind though, by the quality of its beaches and the amount of clean fresh water they have. Their rivers are nothing like as polluted as England's. Which it seems your only answer is blame the plebs and make them pay more into the profit pit. |
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Post by thomas on Jun 8, 2023 6:57:00 GMT
In fairness you are getting the competition you said would clean up water supplies, it just so happens it is coming from Scotland, who have made a much better job of it. How?
Media watch – Scotland does not have a problem with ‘raw sewage’ being ‘dumped’ in rivers
Recent scaremongering headlines in newspapers claim – misleadingly – that Scotland has an issue with “raw sewage being dumped in rivers”. There is only one problem – it is not ‘raw sewage’ and it is not being ‘dumped’ – it is almost entirely rainwater that is deliberately led back into the rivers to avoid flooding. Less than 1% is contaminated with toilet water – what most people think of when they hear the phrase ‘raw sewage’.
The Daily Record claimed to reveal the “full horror’ of “sewage dumped thousands of times’ in Scotland’s rivers; the Liberal Democrats took to social media to claim that ‘raw sewage’ is being dumped in various politicians’ constituencies; and the Herald published a ‘Ferret investigation’ claiming Scotland was “way behind England” on solving sewage problems.
Those who swim and paddle in Scotland’s beautiful rivers, lochs and beaches are scratching their heads at these ‘news’ reports – and rightly so. On Twitter, Dr Bob Rankin spoke for many when he wrote: “I can tell you from experience that the rivers and beaches in Scotland are not covered in sewage.”
Only a tiny fraction of the outflow drainage has been contaminated with toilet water – what we usually mean when we say ‘raw sewage’. That is very different from the situation in England, where 100 beaches were closed due to sewage spills last summer.
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Post by zanygame on Jun 8, 2023 7:00:14 GMT
We agree hear Pacifico. The comparison should be like for like but Politicians wont increase taxes as you say. politicians wont increase taxes? I thought the OBR recently announced the uk currently has its highest tax burden in three quarters of a century? What exactly is your parliament wasting the money on ?
But compared to what other first world countries are taxing? Of course we spend more, we can do more. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 8, 2023 7:02:43 GMT
It obviously isn't way behind though, by the quality of its beaches and the amount of clean fresh water they have. Their rivers are nothing like as polluted as England's. Which it seems your only answer is blame the plebs and make them pay more into the profit pit. Agreed. You have to be careful of these misleading tweets. Scotland has more leaks because in England they don't call them leaks they just dump the sewage in the rivers perfectly legally. |
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Post by thomas on Jun 8, 2023 7:07:02 GMT
politicians wont increase taxes? I thought the OBR recently announced the uk currently has its highest tax burden in three quarters of a century? What exactly is your parliament wasting the money on ?
But compared to what other first world countries are taxing? Of course we spend more, we can do more. im adressing your earlier point on lack of increased taxation which is demonstrably false.
On top of that , scotland has a different tax system to england , and for a paltry tax increase for higher earners , we in turn get free tuition , free presciptions , free elderly care , lower council tax than england in same bands and much more.
all of which your english red and blue tories criticised the snp government for. The question isnt wether you need more taxation , the question is do the english public trust red and blue tories to spend it wisely to their benefit?
On the evidence , the answer would be of course an emphatic no.
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 8, 2023 7:08:13 GMT
It obviously isn't way behind though, by the quality of its beaches and the amount of clean fresh water they have. Their rivers are nothing like as polluted as England's. Which it seems your only answer is blame the plebs and make them pay more into the profit pit. Well one of Scotlands problems is that they hardly measure water quality in their rivers - so there is no real idea what is going on. With regards to profits I'm open to any model - simply pointing out that when we had your preferred model it was worse than what we have now. So as a way of improving things I remain skeptical.. |
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Post by thomas on Jun 8, 2023 7:12:04 GMT
It obviously isn't way behind though, by the quality of its beaches and the amount of clean fresh water they have. Their rivers are nothing like as polluted as England's. Which it seems your only answer is blame the plebs and make them pay more into the profit pit. Well one of Scotlands problems is that they hardly measure water quality in their rivers - so there is no real idea what is going on.Eh? So how the fuck can you tell us scotlands water quality i nthe rivers is worse than england because of alleged sewage( a word in the english media that is open to massive reinterpretation it seems) leaks?
Dear god man do you think before you post?
Case dismissed m`lord.
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Post by sheepy on Jun 8, 2023 7:19:39 GMT
Well one of Scotlands problems is that they hardly measure water quality in their rivers - so there is no real idea what is going on.Eh? So how the fuck can you tell us scotlands water quality i nthe rivers is worse than england because of alleged sewage( a word in the english media that is open to massive reinterpretation it seems) leaks?
Dear god man do you think before you post?
Case dismissed m`lord.
I think not, they are not getting off so lightly this time, they have poisoned the water supply and will be paying the price, one way or another for their pure greed. |
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Post by thomas on Jun 8, 2023 7:23:46 GMT
Eh? So how the fuck can you tell us scotlands water quality i nthe rivers is worse than england because of alleged sewage( a word in the english media that is open to massive reinterpretation it seems) leaks?
Dear god man do you think before you post?
Case dismissed m`lord.
I think not, they are not getting off so lightly this time, they have poisoned the water supply and will be paying the price, one way or another for their pure greed. I wouldnt listen to pacifico sheepy. As zany hinted at , he has posted a misleading tweet that bears no resemblance to reality in desperation to defend his beloved tory mess of a government.
Get out at the next election same as the rest of us and vote against the red and blue tories .
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Post by sheepy on Jun 8, 2023 7:27:26 GMT
I think not, they are not getting off so lightly this time, they have poisoned the water supply and will be paying the price, one way or another for their pure greed. I wouldnt listen to pacifico sheepy. As zany hinted at , he has posted a misleading tweet that bears no resemblance to reality in desperation to defend his beloved tory mess of a government.
Get out at the next election same as the rest of us and vote against the red and blue tories .
I told you before, they haven't burnt themselves out yet. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 8, 2023 11:06:42 GMT
Well one of Scotlands problems is that they hardly measure water quality in their rivers - so there is no real idea what is going on.Eh? So how the fuck can you tell us scotlands water quality i nthe rivers is worse than england because of alleged sewage( a word in the english media that is open to massive reinterpretation it seems) leaks?
Dear god man do you think before you post?
Case dismissed m`lord.
You dont seem very switched on about what is happening in the world. The marine charity calculated that just 3.4% of Scotland’s storm overflows are currently monitored and reported on – compared with almost all storm overflows in Wales and 91% in England.
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Post by thomas on Jun 8, 2023 14:40:29 GMT
Eh? So how the fuck can you tell us scotlands water quality i nthe rivers is worse than england because of alleged sewage( a word in the english media that is open to massive reinterpretation it seems) leaks?
Dear god man do you think before you post?
Case dismissed m`lord.
You dont seem very switched on about what is happening in the world. The marine charity calculated that just 3.4% of Scotland’s storm overflows are currently monitored and reported on – compared with almost all storm overflows in Wales and 91% in England.
in what way am i not switched on pacifico? What was it mark twain reputedly said over a century ago? If you dont read the newspapers , you are uninformed. If you do , you are misinformed?
Seems you fall into the latter category with your "scotland is shite " fantasies in your brit nat newspapers.
....but your original argument was so called sewage in scottish rivers and waterways wasnt it?
Upon inspection we find not only is less than one per cent of overflows from toilets , what we commonly regard as sewage , but upon further inspection , .......
Simon Parsons, Director of Strategic Customer and Service Planning, said:
“Scotland’s rivers are in good health - 87% of waterbodies achieve good or better water quality and are amongst the best in Europe.
You tories really need to start taking some responsibility for the mess you and your privatised water has england in at some point instead of looking for dead cats all the time mate.
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Post by thomas on Jun 8, 2023 14:43:48 GMT
I wouldnt listen to pacifico sheepy. As zany hinted at , he has posted a misleading tweet that bears no resemblance to reality in desperation to defend his beloved tory mess of a government.
Get out at the next election same as the rest of us and vote against the red and blue tories .
I told you before, they haven't burnt themselves out yet. Good. Told you before sheepy , the anglo tories are the greatest recruiting sergeant for scottish independence on earth. If england votes in the red or blue ones , all the same to us . |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 8, 2023 17:15:34 GMT
in what way am i not switched on pacifico? Hmm - let me think... I make a statement: Well one of Scotlands problems is that they hardly measure water quality in their rivers - so there is no real idea what is going on.
and you say in response: Eh? So how the fuck can you tell us scotlands water quality i nthe rivers is worse than england because of alleged sewage( a word in the english media that is open to massive reinterpretation it seems) leaks?So totally oblivious to the problems with monitoring in Scotland..  |
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Post by thomas on Jun 9, 2023 7:06:14 GMT
in what way am i not switched on pacifico? Hmm - let me think... I make a statement: Well one of Scotlands problems is that they hardly measure water quality in their rivers - so there is no real idea what is going on.
and you say in response: Eh? So how the fuck can you tell us scotlands water quality i nthe rivers is worse than england because of alleged sewage( a word in the english media that is open to massive reinterpretation it seems) leaks?So totally oblivious to the problems with monitoring in Scotland.. of course the rivers are monitored in scotland for quality and pollution.
Lets row back here. You started off making a spurious claim about alleged sewage dumps in scotland meaning we scots are less likely to wild swim.
i countered that by showing 98 % of scottish beaches , and 67 % of scottish rivers , are classed as in good health.
We then had a spat about water charges in scotland and who sets policy where i educated you on how from 1999 to 2007 , a british party in london set the policy , and from 1707 to 1999 , a british Sos for jockland was in control.
After yet more inconsequential waffle from you , not worth repeating , you then jumped aboard the outrage bus again and claimed scotland was way behind england on tackling sewage leaks. The word sewage being literally taken in your case to mean anything from rainwater to its literal meaning of toilet water.
After more investigation , we find you are yet again punting fake news , and scotland does not have a problem with sewage in waterways , with less than 1 % of drain overflows coming from toilet water.
We then get a further throw away comment about scotland doesnt measure water quality (hardly) , totally defeating your earlier argument , which of course is nothing more than yet more fake news from you once more.
You come up with yet another muck raking desperate waffle about lack of monitoring of storm overflows , ...while being totally oblivious to the fact SEPA do indeed monitor and test regulalry scotlands waterways , of which we know the vast majority are in great health and among the best in europe.
From 2014 , SEPA changed their methods of testing water quality and made the new testing methods even more rigourous than the old.
meanhwile we compare scotland with england , and find that tory cheerleader like pacfico need to stop bleating about scotland or other foreigners , and tell your government to get your own house in order....
The water environment in Scotland is generally in good condition.https://www.sepa.org.uk/
Every river and lake in England fails pollution test. All rivers and lakes monitored in England have failed tests for chemical pollution and 84 per cent do not meet the government’s target of good ecological status, official figures reveal.
There has been no progress in the past four years towards meeting the government’s long-term target that at least three quarters of water bodies, including rivers, lakes, canals, coastal waters and groundwater, will be restored to be as close as possible to their natural state.
In Scotland 66 per cent of water bodies are healthy, with 46 per cent of rivers healthy in Wales and 31 per cent in Northern Ireland.www.thetimes.co.uk/article/every-river-and-lake-in-england-fails-pollution-
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