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Post by wapentake on May 18, 2023 17:56:33 GMT
But a lot I’d not like to drink.Yes I cannibalised Coleridge's words but much whinging today across the country about the water companies dumping sewage whilst making billions and bunging it to shareholders.
They profusely apologise and promise a solution, (in a decade or two) who’ll pay? us of course the plebs always do.
Sadly many of those plebs eulogised St Maggie of Grantham and now it’s come home to roost.
Some things should never have been privatised,capiche?
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Post by Pacifico on May 18, 2023 21:36:58 GMT
But a lot I’d not like to drink.Yes I cannibalised Coleridge's words but much whinging today across the country about the water companies dumping sewage whilst making billions and bunging it to shareholders. They profusely apologise and promise a solution, (in a decade or two) who’ll pay? us of course the plebs always do. Sadly many of those plebs eulogised St Maggie of Grantham and now it’s come home to roost.
Some things should never have been privatised,capiche? Whats come home to roost?. The water companies were privatised in the first place because they needed massive investment after being starved of funds under nationalisation - the got that investment and water and sewage supplies improved. OK they need to do better but the idea that privatisation is the cause of their present issues is hilarious. When the Water system was Nationalised we only had 12 Blue Flag beaches - we now have 80. |
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Post by wapentake on May 18, 2023 22:25:13 GMT
But a lot I’d not like to drink.Yes I cannibalised Coleridge's words but much whinging today across the country about the water companies dumping sewage whilst making billions and bunging it to shareholders. They profusely apologise and promise a solution, (in a decade or two) who’ll pay? us of course the plebs always do. Sadly many of those plebs eulogised St Maggie of Grantham and now it’s come home to roost.
Some things should never have been privatised,capiche? Whats come home to roost?. The water companies were privatised in the first place because they needed massive investment after being starved of funds under nationalisation - the got that investment and water and sewage supplies improved. OK they need to do better but the idea that privatisation is the cause of their present issues is hilarious. When the Water system was Nationalised we only had 12 Blue Flag beaches - we now have 80. They were privatised because st Maggie sold so much off to falsely balance the books engage in political dogma rather than what was best and the only hilarity is you believe it improved. There’s be no long term effort to secure our energy supplies and at an affordable cost to us the consumer,the water and sewage is better?what are you drinking there’s no hilarity long term these privatisation’s are a disaster and who is laughing? Just you it seems. |
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Post by zanygame on May 19, 2023 5:36:53 GMT
But a lot I’d not like to drink.Yes I cannibalised Coleridge's words but much whinging today across the country about the water companies dumping sewage whilst making billions and bunging it to shareholders. They profusely apologise and promise a solution, (in a decade or two) who’ll pay? us of course the plebs always do. Sadly many of those plebs eulogised St Maggie of Grantham and now it’s come home to roost.
Some things should never have been privatised,capiche? Whats come home to roost?. The water companies were privatised in the first place because they needed massive investment after being starved of funds under nationalisation - the got that investment and water and sewage supplies improved. OK they need to do better but the idea that privatisation is the cause of their present issues is hilarious. When the Water system was Nationalised we only had 12 Blue Flag beaches - we now have 80. They were starved of funds under nationalisation you say, why was that then? And when they were privatised where did the extra money come from? |
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Post by sheepy on May 19, 2023 6:25:48 GMT
Well let's let it get to a full-blown crisis first, oh it has. Not only have we managed to poison the drinking water but have poisoned the Sea. But we do have 80 blue flag beaches although over half the coasts beaches are unusable. It has been another great step forward then.
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Post by Pacifico on May 19, 2023 6:34:19 GMT
Whats come home to roost?. The water companies were privatised in the first place because they needed massive investment after being starved of funds under nationalisation - the got that investment and water and sewage supplies improved. OK they need to do better but the idea that privatisation is the cause of their present issues is hilarious. When the Water system was Nationalised we only had 12 Blue Flag beaches - we now have 80. They were starved of funds under nationalisation you say, why was that then? And when they were privatised where did the extra money come from? We have been through this before - Politicians when faced with spending money on a new sewage plant that would not come into use long after they left the political arena chose to spend the money on raising benefits or cutting taxes instead - things that gave them good headlines in the following days newspapers. None of this is a revelation surely? As for investment that came from private companies taking on debt like they usually do. |
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Post by sheepy on May 19, 2023 6:57:11 GMT
They were starved of funds under nationalisation you say, why was that then? And when they were privatised where did the extra money come from? We have been through this before - Politicians when faced with spending money on a new sewage plant that would not come into use long after they left the political arena chose to spend the money on raising benefits or cutting taxes instead - things that gave them good headlines in the following days newspapers. None of this is a revelation surely? As for investment that came from private companies taking on debt like they usually do. So which bit of being poisoned did you miss? |
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Post by Pacifico on May 19, 2023 7:02:59 GMT
We have been through this before - Politicians when faced with spending money on a new sewage plant that would not come into use long after they left the political arena chose to spend the money on raising benefits or cutting taxes instead - things that gave them good headlines in the following days newspapers. None of this is a revelation surely? As for investment that came from private companies taking on debt like they usually do. So which bit of being poisoned did you miss? Oh get a grip - nobody is being poisoned. A good example of nationalised water is Scotland - where they missed out on privatisation and they have worse quality drinking water than England. nationalisation is not the great solution that you all seem to think. |
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Post by sheepy on May 19, 2023 7:05:47 GMT
So which bit of being poisoned did you miss? Oh get a grip - nobody is being poisoned. A good example of nationalised water is Scotland - where they missed out on privatisation and they have worse quality drinking water than England. nationalisation is not the great solution that you all seem to think. I don't think its me that needs to get a grip old son, you are the one in denial and using every curtain pulling political tug of war to deflect the facts. |
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Post by see2 on May 19, 2023 7:12:21 GMT
But a lot I’d not like to drink.Yes I cannibalised Coleridge's words but much whinging today across the country about the water companies dumping sewage whilst making billions and bunging it to shareholders. They profusely apologise and promise a solution, (in a decade or two) who’ll pay? us of course the plebs always do. Sadly many of those plebs eulogised St Maggie of Grantham and now it’s come home to roost.
Some things should never have been privatised,capiche? Whats come home to roost?. The water companies were privatised in the first place because they needed massive investment after being starved of funds under nationalisation - the got that investment and water and sewage supplies improved. OK they need to do better but the idea that privatisation is the cause of their present issues is hilarious. When the Water system was Nationalised we only had 12 Blue Flag beaches - we now have 80. "starved of funds as a nationalised company", that has been the UK's problem with nationalised concerns for a very long time, not nationalisation per se. It has taken you an awful long time to acknowledge that fact. The big increase in blue flag beaches began when the EU put pressure on the UK to improve the conditions of the beaches. Absolutely not down to privatisation. |
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Post by sheepy on May 19, 2023 7:18:14 GMT
Guess what? we are about to go in circles. The EU was all for good and if it wasn't for Brexit we wouldn't be poisoned by greed.
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Post by Pacifico on May 19, 2023 7:22:31 GMT
Whats come home to roost?. The water companies were privatised in the first place because they needed massive investment after being starved of funds under nationalisation - the got that investment and water and sewage supplies improved. OK they need to do better but the idea that privatisation is the cause of their present issues is hilarious. When the Water system was Nationalised we only had 12 Blue Flag beaches - we now have 80. "starved of funds as a nationalised company", that has been the UK's problem with nationalised concerns for a very long time, not nationalisation per se. It has taken you an awful long time to acknowledge that fact. The big increase in blue flag beaches began when the EU put pressure on the UK to improve the conditions of the beaches. Absolutely not down to privatisation. indeed - so trying it again and hoping that this time it will be different is a pretty daft idea. Instead of going back in time to an era that didn't work how about trying something new. Privatisation has its faults, Nationalisation has its faults - what about Mutualisation? - structure the Water companies along the same lines as BUPA. If it can work for health why not water? |
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Post by sheepy on May 19, 2023 7:42:20 GMT
"starved of funds as a nationalised company", that has been the UK's problem with nationalised concerns for a very long time, not nationalisation per se. It has taken you an awful long time to acknowledge that fact. The big increase in blue flag beaches began when the EU put pressure on the UK to improve the conditions of the beaches. Absolutely not down to privatisation. indeed - so trying it again and hoping that this time it will be different is a pretty daft idea. Instead of going back in time to an era that didn't work how about trying something new. Privatisation has its faults, Nationalisation has its faults - what about Mutualisation? - structure the Water companies along the same lines as BUPA. If it can work for health why not water? so the very people who have poisoned the water while getting fat, should be given an even bigger opportunity. Sounds like a plan. LOL |
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Post by see2 on May 19, 2023 7:46:45 GMT
"starved of funds as a nationalised company", that has been the UK's problem with nationalised concerns for a very long time, not nationalisation per se. It has taken you an awful long time to acknowledge that fact. The big increase in blue flag beaches began when the EU put pressure on the UK to improve the conditions of the beaches. Absolutely not down to privatisation. indeed - so trying it again and hoping that this time it will be different is a pretty daft idea. Instead of going back in time to an era that didn't work how about trying something new. Privatisation has its faults, Nationalisation has its faults - what about Mutualisation? - structure the Water companies along the same lines as BUPA. If it can work for health why not water? 1. Not if the government invest where it is necessary. 2. I like the term Mutualisation, but perhaps not in the way you see it. "Privatisation side by side with, but not overruled by, government investment". Now where have I heard that suggestion?? Oh! I know, its what Starmer has suggested as a way forward. |
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Post by johnofgwent on May 19, 2023 8:31:22 GMT
But a lot I’d not like to drink.Yes I cannibalised Coleridge's words but much whinging today across the country about the water companies dumping sewage whilst making billions and bunging it to shareholders. They profusely apologise and promise a solution, (in a decade or two) who’ll pay? us of course the plebs always do. Sadly many of those plebs eulogised St Maggie of Grantham and now it’s come home to roost.
Some things should never have been privatised,capiche? Whats come home to roost?. The water companies were privatised in the first place because they needed massive investment after being starved of funds under nationalisation - the got that investment and water and sewage supplies improved. OK they need to do better but the idea that privatisation is the cause of their present issues is hilarious. When the Water system was Nationalised we only had 12 Blue Flag beaches - we now have 80. Having been a freelancer in one of those companies in 1997, a few facts The privatised water companies immediately went about getting into lavish hotels and holiday resorts, country sporting shooting and fishing to bleed the rich who enjoyed such shit and gave nit a fuck about leaks, pollution, or even drinking water quality. Their answer to hosepipe band was to cause drought and destroy river habitats by draining aquefirs. And they campaigned endlessly for quantum water meters snd a change in the law that allowed them to raise prices tenfold, including raising them fourfold in places like Bristol where they first forced everyone to have a meter, then found to their horror everyone went to extraordinary lengths to cut consumption to save money, so they raised the price of metered litre by 400% to ensure the MD, board and shareholders enjoyed their sumtuous post privatisation lifestyles Never more so than in Severn Trent snd Welsh Water who went bankrupt when laws were changed to kick back at the profiteering. As i said, i WORKED on the inside for these fuckers for over a year. I know what went in because i saw it If ever there was a reason to celebrate thatchers death, the way she turned utilities legally protected as essential to life into moneymaking rackets fir her pals is top of the list. And the way she helped the companies cut people off while being allowed to say in law they had not, because the customer had voluntarily curtailed their consumption, so they no longer had the legal protection of a supply of clean fresh water legally defined as necessary to the home being fit fir human habitation, a law passed in the 1800’s to prevent the cholera and typhoid epidemics caused by unsafe wells and street drinking fountains, is a throwback to the fucking middle ages she should have been hung in the street fir like the Ceaucscaus were. |
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