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Post by thomas on Jun 5, 2023 8:15:45 GMT
I answered the question and all you've done since is play the victim and go off on tangents. you embarresed yourself as normal. Imagine not knowing the name of your own multi national state. To think you have the vote .
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2023 8:16:49 GMT
I guess it's another thread hijacked by the ScotNat who relies on trolling and disinformation. Nevermind.
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Post by sheepy on Jun 5, 2023 8:28:03 GMT
I guess it's another thread hijacked by the ScotNat who relies on trolling and disinformation. Nevermind. Thomas is thomas, end of, he sees Scotland as his own little world of wonder, which the Scottish brand of nationalism has made a paradise. In some ways maybe it has, with less interference from Westminster. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jun 5, 2023 9:37:37 GMT
When lab/lib were in power at holyrood , they werent scottish ministers.....they were british and did what they were told from london.
Thank god we kicked the british ministers out in 2007 , installed scottish ones , or we would have had the same shitshow regarding water or tuition fees as englandshire......  I don't understand the point of your post other than to hate on England for reasons that are irrational. John asked a question, and because I knew the answer I offered it. cheers. So water is to some extent devolved then, at least in Scotland. Prices in England and wales are set by the individual companies operating in the region, derived from the historic water boards, and whilst i’d like to say they are regulated by OFWAT, the reality is they do what the water companies tell them to do. Or did, in the days when i did the IT for one of them |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 5, 2023 11:12:27 GMT
What the fuck has the internal machinations of the Labour Party got to do with setting water prices in Scotland? you mean you dont conveniently understand the nuance behind every labour (and tory) branch manager in scotland complaining they cant set autonomous scottish policy without london approval?
I will let that sink in pacifico while you drink your limescale tap watter .
If the Scot Nats grew a pair and took responsibility for once instead of spending every day whining about the English being beastly to them they would put up water prices and tackle the sewage problems in Scotland.. |
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Post by see2 on Jun 5, 2023 17:12:38 GMT
Yes, because nationalised industries were anathema to Tory governments. Show me a single Labour manifesto that calls for (a) increase in water bills to pay for investment (b) increase in taxes to pay for investment. They are not even calling for it now. They want to fine water companies into magically coming up with the £600b needed to fix the sewers lol. You have this weird view that the Tories are the source of all our problems, rather than a symptom of it. Why do you think we consistently have one of the lowest tax burdens in Europe, yet all politicians are scared to call for higher taxes? Explain why Starmer is going after populist areas of taxation rather than having high taxes for all like the Nordic countries? We actually share a lot of outcomes that we would like. However, you can not find the honesty to admit what the actual problem is. It is really simple, the UK population want Nordic levels of public services, funded by US levels of taxation. If this is wrong then please explain how the party offering the lowest taxes has spent the most time in power... My post was clear, precise and true, and you have a weird habit of attacking Labour and defending the Tories. Sorry but this is not "dodgydaves " 'question and answers time, designed to reaffirm your own prejudices. With our Billionaire's increasing their take by $31b last year I know what I want. As for "time in power" that's easy, Tory / right-wing propaganda and a too large number of the electorate being too easily led. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 5, 2023 20:08:03 GMT
Where the charges are 10 to 15% cheaper. Give them the same money and then compare. Scotland are free to charge whatever they want for their water - England does not get a say. We agree hear Pacifico. The comparison should be like for like but Politicians wont increase taxes as you say. |
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Post by thomas on Jun 8, 2023 6:28:42 GMT
you mean you dont conveniently understand the nuance behind every labour (and tory) branch manager in scotland complaining they cant set autonomous scottish policy without london approval?
I will let that sink in pacifico while you drink your limescale tap watter .
If the Scot Nats grew a pair and took responsibility for once instead of spending every day whining about the English being beastly to them they would put up water prices and tackle the sewage problems in Scotland.. LMFAO.
The "scots nats" arent just the snp. The whole point of scottish independence is to take reponsibility of everything something your political elite seem determined to stop.
No one is whining about "the english " being beastly , in fact many of us feel sorry for the vast majority of english living under a political elite with delusions of grandeur .
Ive yet to meet a scottish man woman or child who
1. Wants the same terrible water quality and problems as england has.
2. Wants the same terrible privatised service england has.
In 1989, the sell-off [in England] was touted as the route to greater efficiency and investment. But between 2002 and 2018, Scottish Water, which remains publicly owned, invested on average nearly 35 percent more per household than English water companies, according to researchers at Greenwich University.”
If you live in Scotland, your water is already run for people not profit – and you’re paying less than the rest of us. The publicly owned company Scottish Water is the most trusted public utility in the UK. It is constantly investing, keeping customers happy and reducing its carbon footprint.”
“It wasn’t supposed to turn out this way when the water industry was privatised by the Thatcher government in 1989. It was promised that privately owned water companies would unleash a wave of investment, and that they would introduce competition, reduce consumer prices and make the industry more responsive to demand. It is hard to see how any of these objectives have been fulfilled.
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 8, 2023 6:35:09 GMT
Instead of whining about the English why dont you complain to your government and put a stop to sewage discharges in Scotland - it would be a much more effective use of your time.
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Post by thomas on Jun 8, 2023 6:37:48 GMT
Scotland are free to charge whatever they want for their water - England does not get a say. We agree hear Pacifico. The comparison should be like for like but Politicians wont increase taxes as you say. politicians wont increase taxes? I thought the OBR recently announced the uk currently has its highest tax burden in three quarters of a century? What exactly is your parliament wasting the money on ?
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Post by thomas on Jun 8, 2023 6:41:41 GMT
Instead of whining about the English why dont you complain to your government and put a stop to sewage discharges in Scotland - it would be a much more effective use of your time. England having yet more issues with water problems , while pacifico wades in and crys look theres a scottish squirrel.!!!!
You know pacifico , someone once said to me one of the good things about brexit was your government wouldnt have anyone else to blame for their problems they have caused.
Once scotland and northern ireland go , and hopefully wales , you really will be out on a limb.
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Post by sheepy on Jun 8, 2023 6:42:40 GMT
Instead of whining about the English why dont you complain to your government and put a stop to sewage discharges in Scotland - it would be a much more effective use of your time. In fairness you are getting the competition you said would clean up water supplies, it just so happens it is coming from Scotland, who have made a much better job of it. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 8, 2023 6:48:12 GMT
Instead of whining about the English why dont you complain to your government and put a stop to sewage discharges in Scotland - it would be a much more effective use of your time. In fairness you are getting the competition you said would clean up water supplies, it just so happens it is coming from Scotland, who have made a much better job of it. How? |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 8, 2023 6:49:44 GMT
Instead of whining about the English why dont you complain to your government and put a stop to sewage discharges in Scotland - it would be a much more effective use of your time. England having yet more issues with water problems , while pacifico wades in and crys look theres a scottish squirrel.!!!!
You know pacifico , someone once said to me one of the good things about brexit was your government wouldnt have anyone else to blame for their problems they have caused.
Once scotland and northern ireland go , and hopefully wales , you really will be out on a limb.
Of FFS - you have been promising to fuck off for a century now but here you are still talking about it.. Stay or go - nobody cares - but give the talking a rest... |
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Post by thomas on Jun 8, 2023 6:51:08 GMT
Instead of whining about the English why dont you complain to your government and put a stop to sewage discharges in Scotland - it would be a much more effective use of your time. In fairness you are getting the competition you said would clean up water supplies, it just so happens it is coming from Scotland, who have made a much better job of it. i love tories like pacifico. They constantly try and run scotland down at every turn , while trying desperately to divert attention from the mess his party has made of England at every level from water to mass uncontrolled immigration.
You can see why the tories havent won an election in scotland since 1955.
Wonder why pacifico and his ilk dont support the english having a referendum on wether they want a well run nationalised water service like scotland , or the continuation of the tory brainchild disaster that they have at the minute?
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