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Post by zanygame on May 20, 2023 7:48:28 GMT
Personally, I don't give a flying feck, clean up the water supply or else. That's a bit glib for me. We need to consider the costs involved, we could have ever river look like a mountain stream if we wish to spend enough. So we need to decide whether what we pay is being spent well, whether it could be spent better and then how much is needed. Pacifico is right in one thing, everyone wants it to be perfect, but no one wants to pay for that. |
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Post by sheepy on May 20, 2023 7:54:15 GMT
Personally, I don't give a flying feck, clean up the water supply or else. That's a bit glib for me. We need to consider the costs involved, we could have ever river look like a mountain stream if we wish to spend enough. So we need to decide whether what we pay is being spent well, whether it could be spent better and then how much is needed. Pacifico is right in one thing, everyone wants it to be perfect, but no one wants to pay for that. When it comes to clean water and looking after your own environment, the cost is much larger for your health and future well being and that of the future than any monetary value you can put on it. As I am not a robot and neither are you the future is what you should worry about not the here and now monetary value. |
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Post by see2 on May 20, 2023 7:56:35 GMT
I was listening to this topic all day yesterday on my little 420 trip to Scotland and back. It was quite depressing how little research had been done. Under nationalisation we under-invested for so long that when the sewerage system requires £600 billion to make it right!! Under privitisation we invest more every year than anybody else in Europe, dead rivers came back to life, leaks are down by 30%, are beaches are cleaner and the drinking water is excellent. It is the same old problem with UK public. We want excellent public services, but we want somebody else to pay for it. This myth that renationalisation will make it all ok again is fucking hilarous. Please point to when it was ok under nationalisation? Can we have some grown ups in power please. Work out what the problem, be honest with the public, and offer an honest solution. You hit the nail on the head referring to investment. Tory dominated parliaments failed to invest in nationalised industries because they were ideologically opposed to it. Nevertheless, the big change in investment in UK water came after EU put pressure on the UK to improve our coastal waters, bathing beaches, somewhere around the early 2000s. |
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Post by zanygame on May 20, 2023 7:59:39 GMT
That's a bit glib for me. We need to consider the costs involved, we could have ever river look like a mountain stream if we wish to spend enough. So we need to decide whether what we pay is being spent well, whether it could be spent better and then how much is needed. Pacifico is right in one thing, everyone wants it to be perfect, but no one wants to pay for that. When it comes to clean water and looking after your own environment, the cost is much larger for your health and future well being and that of the future than any monetary value you can put on it. As I am not a robot and neither are you the future is what you should worry about not the here and now monetary value. I'm with you here Sheepy. I can't say how many times I have stated that the people in this country (Myself included) who can afford 4 holidays a year and an expensive car etc should find some money for the things that really matter. But the sad fact is most don't want to. |
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Post by sheepy on May 20, 2023 8:00:50 GMT
Which in actual fact Zany is giving you an opportunity to rise above your current level of thought, so I must think you have the makings somewhere.
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Post by zanygame on May 20, 2023 8:03:34 GMT
Which in actual fact Zany is giving you an opportunity to rise above your current level of thought, so I must think you have the makings somewhere. Not sure what you mean here. Don't want to mis-answer you |
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Post by sheepy on May 20, 2023 8:05:55 GMT
Which in actual fact Zany is giving you an opportunity to rise above your current level of thought, so I must think you have the makings somewhere. Not sure what you mean here. Don't want to mis-answer you I mean you have the ability I think to share the workload, which your previous post proves I am right. |
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Post by zanygame on May 20, 2023 8:08:11 GMT
Not sure what you mean here. Don't want to mis-answer you I mean you have the ability I think to share the workload, which your previous post proves I am right. Still confused. Do you mean I could personally pay more as an individual? |
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Post by sheepy on May 20, 2023 8:09:53 GMT
I mean you have the ability I think to share the workload, which your previous post proves I am right. Still confused. Do you mean I could personally pay more as an individual? Not necessarily I mean some things cannot be counted in monetary value. |
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Post by zanygame on May 20, 2023 8:19:44 GMT
Still confused. Do you mean I could personally pay more as an individual? Not necessarily I mean some things cannot be counted in monetary value. Oh yes I agree. I try to balance my life, I earn enough to have nice things and I worked very hard to get them, so fair enough. I also earn enough to help other people and I do that as well. But I think the big projects that would make this country a better place to live need a combined effort and this has to come in the form of tax that takes money from both those willing and those who want the beautiful country we live in but not the bill that goes with it. The trouble with privatising the water etc is that it does not allow for the water bills to be adjusted according to ability to pay. |
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2023 9:39:08 GMT
EVERYTHING that was privatized now provides a poorer service, and the aim of "Service" is now competing with the aim of "profit", which in some public services is both dangerous and immoral.
Imagine ... Gas and electricity suppliers that actally have a depot in your local town ?, and imagine if they had a shop and offices in town, where you could buy a cooker, buy a washing machine, pay your bills, report a fault.
But thats exactly how it was, our energy suppliers had a LOCAL telephone number, you knew who they were, you knew how to contact them.
Today, you live in Northampton and your electricity supplier is some French company which took over SSE, which has a call centre in Dublin, and if you ring them, you have the pleasure of listening to Beethoven for an hour before someone then answers to tell you "you got the wrong department".
You might have an Ambulance station a few streets away, but call 999 and the ambulance will just as likely come from 10 miles away and take half an hour to get to you. There are now more and more private ambulances replacing what should be NHS ambulances ( probably owned by a Tory donor, and awarded a lucrative contract ).
Its not simply wrong that Water is a profit making business, its also immoral, these money making cartells are monopolies, theres no competition.
If the Tories win the next general election, they will likely move on with privatisation, and into areas where you would never believe it would ever happen, oor Police Forces, Fire & Rescue .... you mark my words.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2023 9:39:39 GMT
EVERYTHING that was privatized now provides a poorer service, and the aim of "Service" is now competing with the aim of "profit", which in some public services is both dangerous and immoral. Imagine ... Gas and electricity suppliers that actually have a depot in your local town ?, and imagine if they had a shop and offices in town, where you could buy a cooker, buy a washing machine, pay your bills, report a fault. But thats exactly how it was, our energy suppliers had a LOCAL telephone number, you knew who they were, you knew how to contact them. Today, you live in Northampton and your electricity supplier is some French company which took over SSE, which has a call centre in Dublin, and if you ring them, you have the pleasure of listening to Beethoven for an hour before someone then answers to tell you "you got the wrong department". You might have an Ambulance station a few streets away, but call 999 and the ambulance will just as likely come from 10 miles away and take half an hour to get to you. There are now more and more private ambulances replacing what should be NHS ambulances ( probably owned by a Tory donor, and awarded a lucrative contract ). Its not simply wrong that Water is a profit making business, its also immoral, these money making cartells are monopolies, theres no competition. If the Tories win the next general election, they will likely move on with privatisation, and into areas where you would never believe it would ever happen, oor Police Forces, Fire & Rescue .... you mark my words. |
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Post by Pacifico on May 20, 2023 10:38:47 GMT
Who is going to pay for the investment if not the customers? - a grant from the EU perhaps? But you were telling us how great privatisation is and it’s not is it? Well when I turn on the tap clean water comes out and when I flush the loo the crap disappears. My water company is doing what it says on the tin. |
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Post by zanygame on May 20, 2023 13:23:57 GMT
But you were telling us how great privatisation is and it’s not is it? Well when I turn on the tap clean water comes out and when I flush the loo the crap disappears. My water company is doing what it says on the tin. Really? You don't care that the craps disappears into your local river? You're not bothered that they haven't built enough reservoirs for the growing population and the farmers are now sucking the rivers dry in summer to irrigate their fields. Frankly I don't believe you are that self centred. |
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Post by Pacifico on May 20, 2023 16:55:16 GMT
Well when I turn on the tap clean water comes out and when I flush the loo the crap disappears. My water company is doing what it says on the tin. Really? You don't care that the craps disappears into your local river? You're not bothered that they haven't built enough reservoirs for the growing population and the farmers are now sucking the rivers dry in summer to irrigate their fields. Frankly I don't believe you are that self centred. Things have improved - OK they could be better but nothing is perfect. If you seek perfection then your dream or returning Water Companies to the control of politicians is going to lead to a whole world of disappointment for you. |
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