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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 18, 2023 13:32:04 GMT
Why do people continually think if we thought NewLabour did it badly then we must think the Tories did it better. This is a nonsense. What ails the country is what NewLabour initiated and which the Tories and the coalition continued in that it was free and easy for all to come here from countries with economies in much poorer shape than the UK. We can look at many things a 100 different ways but we all come to the same answer that the problem is unfettered immigration from third world countries which puts an additional strain on the NHS, on housing, on education, on social services, on policing on transport and on social cohesion. It is not the fault of Johnny Foreigner it is the fault of all of our recent governments to do the most important thing for the people of this country. The NHS currently spends circa £65 million on translating and interpreting services alone. If I go to Iraq I pay for my translation services, if an Iraqi comes here I pay for the translation services. Can you see a problem there? I can. Quite. That is exactly what I meant when I said that Tory and Labour are functionally the same: They moan about each other in opposition and then carry on with exactly the same policies when in power. For an example, look no further than the protest legislation. Labour heavily criticised that but have absolutely no intention of repealing it. |
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Post by see2 on May 18, 2023 13:39:22 GMT
There were no flood gates to open, idiot. New Labour allowed MORE OF THE NEW MEMBER STATE COUNTRIES migrants into the UK than other EU countries did, while all countries moderated new member migrants for a limited period. The UK desperate for workers including skilled, professional and entrepreneurs to replace the loss of many of these people under Thatcher, and in order to continue growth under NL, allowed more migrants in. The problem WAS NOT IMMIGRATION PER SE, IT WAS, FOR THE HUNDREDTH TIME the INTERNATIONAL FINANCIAL MELTDOWN that undid New Labour. Not New Labour policies. As far as being the most densely populated in Europe, if that is the case, you are doing a Farage in ignoring the fact that most migrants into the UK came from outside of the EU, and now include asylum seekers. Time to clean up your act.
theconversation.com/the-huge-political-cost-of-blairs-decision-to-allow-eastern-european-migrants-unfettered-access-to-britain-66077Plenty more links available, see here - www.google.co.uk/Yes I know, plenty of shite thrown at New Labour by arrogant and hurt Conservatives (longest period out of office for the Tories). Reasonable people understand that Tory lying and insinuating propaganda was designed to destroy New Labour. And they did a good job of it didn't they? aided and abetted by the likes of yourself. Collecting arse-part comments from totally biased or totally mislead individuals is easy, try looking at both sides of that coin for a change. |
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Post by Red Rackham on May 18, 2023 13:53:12 GMT
Yes I know, plenty of shite thrown at New Labour by arrogant and hurt Conservatives (longest period out of office for the Tories). Reasonable people understand that Tory lying and insinuating propaganda was designed to destroy New Labour. And they did a good job of it didn't they? aided and abetted by the likes of yourself. Collecting arse-part comments from totally biased or totally mislead individuals is easy, try looking at both sides of that coin for a change. As ever you rubbish anything you disagree with as totally biased and misleading, even when it's from the left wing Labour supporting Guardian, lol. |
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Post by see2 on May 18, 2023 14:21:38 GMT
Yes I know, plenty of shite thrown at New Labour by arrogant and hurt Conservatives (longest period out of office for the Tories). Reasonable people understand that Tory lying and insinuating propaganda was designed to destroy New Labour. And they did a good job of it didn't they? aided and abetted by the likes of yourself. Collecting arse-part comments from totally biased or totally mislead individuals is easy, try looking at both sides of that coin for a change. As ever you rubbish anything you disagree with as totally biased and misleading, even when it's from the left wing Labour supporting Guardian, lol. As ever you publish anything you can find that is detrimental of derogative to Labour. The Guardian has had comments from right-wing bloggers in the past. If everyone is wrong except the Tories along with yourself and your ilk when it comes to immigration, please explain, if the high immigration since the mid 2000s was not to fill jobs and continue to see growth in the economy, why is it the case that unemployment remained lower than when New Labour come to office right up to and after the international financial meltdown? |
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Post by Red Rackham on May 18, 2023 14:59:15 GMT
see2, there is so much information in the public domain, dozens and dozens of links on the internet that say Blair opened the immigration floodgates and I'm not talking about right wing bloggers. I'm talking about people that were in Blairs administration such as David Blunkett, Jack Straw, senior civil servants such as Robin Butler, Richard Wilson and Andrew Turnbull. Cabinet secretaries, permanent secretaries and advisors. The list of people who warned Blair about silencing anyone who criticised his open door, or 'free flowing' as he called it, immigration policy is endless. To deny it, suggests you either have no access to the internet, which is clearly not the case, or you simply refuse to believe anything negative about saint Tony.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2023 5:55:41 GMT
see2, there is so much information in the public domain, dozens and dozens of links on the internet that say Blair opened the immigration floodgates and I'm not talking about right wing bloggers. I'm talking about people that were in Blairs administration such as David Blunkett, Jack Straw, senior civil servants such as Robin Butler, Richard Wilson and Andrew Turnbull. Cabinet secretaries, permanent secretaries and advisors. The list of people who warned Blair about silencing anyone who criticised his open door, or 'free flowing' as he called it, immigration policy is endless. To deny it, suggests you either have no access to the internet, which is clearly not the case, or you simply refuse to believe anything negative about saint Tony. You say 'floodgates' so by their very definition the can be opened and/or closed. Why have the Tories after 13 years and Brexit not closed them, I wonder? |
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Post by see2 on May 19, 2023 7:31:08 GMT
see2, there is so much information in the public domain, dozens and dozens of links on the internet that say Blair opened the immigration floodgates and I'm not talking about right wing bloggers. I'm talking about people that were in Blairs administration such as David Blunkett, Jack Straw, senior civil servants such as Robin Butler, Richard Wilson and Andrew Turnbull. Cabinet secretaries, permanent secretaries and advisors. The list of people who warned Blair about silencing anyone who criticised his open door, or 'free flowing' as he called it, immigration policy is endless. To deny it, suggests you either have no access to the internet, which is clearly not the case, or you simply refuse to believe anything negative about saint Tony. I see that YOU HAVE NO ANSWER TO MY QUESTION! Perhaps those who have criticised NL over immigration have lost the will to live when it comes to fighting the wide spread biased propaganda against mixtures of FoM and none FoM immigration and asylum seekers. I prefer facts over opinions every time. And I still need facts (not opinions or excuses). You might start by answering my previous question. |
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Post by seniorcitizen007 on May 19, 2023 8:48:44 GMT
What the country needs is somebody with Hitler's abilities ... but without the antisemitism, warmongering, etc. He wrote a detailed description of how to create a harmonious, benevolent, efficiently run world society ... which read as if it had been written by an organisational genius. If he hadn't have been an evil bastard and had set his mind to sorting out the problems of the planet he'd have gone down in history as the greatest mind of our age.
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Post by see2 on May 19, 2023 10:04:28 GMT
What the country needs is somebody with Hitler's abilities ... but without the antisemitism, warmongering, etc. He wrote a detailed description of how to create a harmonious, benevolent, efficiently run world society ... which read as if it had been written by an organisational genius. If he hadn't have been an evil bastard and had set his mind to sorting out the problems of the planet he'd have gone down in history as the greatest mind of our age. You are totally misguided by him. What Hitler described was that which is what he emotionally needed and what he actually attempted to create. A world that required a dictator, "one country, one folk and one leader". His idea of a perfect world, is certainly not mine, in fact take 10 educated individuals and ask the to put down in writing their perfect world, and it is more than likely you will end up with ten different perfect worlds. That is why democracy is essential, and authoritarian dictatorships are a mental sickness. |
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Post by patman post on May 19, 2023 10:49:22 GMT
Yes I know, plenty of shite thrown at New Labour by arrogant and hurt Conservatives (longest period out of office for the Tories). Reasonable people understand that Tory lying and insinuating propaganda was designed to destroy New Labour. And they did a good job of it didn't they? aided and abetted by the likes of yourself. Collecting arse-part comments from totally biased or totally mislead individuals is easy, try looking at both sides of that coin for a change. As ever you rubbish anything you disagree with as totally biased and misleading, even when it's from the left wing Labour supporting Guardian, lol. The Mail is probably the most often quoted and most salivated over Right Wing organ on here... |
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Post by Vinny on May 19, 2023 10:50:03 GMT
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Post by Red Rackham on May 19, 2023 12:29:12 GMT
see2, there is so much information in the public domain, dozens and dozens of links on the internet that say Blair opened the immigration floodgates and I'm not talking about right wing bloggers. I'm talking about people that were in Blairs administration such as David Blunkett, Jack Straw, senior civil servants such as Robin Butler, Richard Wilson and Andrew Turnbull. Cabinet secretaries, permanent secretaries and advisors. The list of people who warned Blair about silencing anyone who criticised his open door, or 'free flowing' as he called it, immigration policy is endless. To deny it, suggests you either have no access to the internet, which is clearly not the case, or you simply refuse to believe anything negative about saint Tony. I see that YOU HAVE NO ANSWER TO MY QUESTION! Perhaps those who have criticised NL over immigration have lost the will to live when it comes to fighting the wide spread biased propaganda against mixtures of FoM and none FoM immigration and asylum seekers. I prefer facts over opinions every time. And I still need facts (not opinions or excuses). You might start by answering my previous question. Can it all be lies and propaganda, really? How immigration came to haunt Labour... www.theguardian.com/news/2015/mar/24/how-immigration-came-to-haunt-labour-inside-storyThe Immigration Legacy of Tony Blair... www.migrationpolicy.org/article/immigration-legacy-tony-blairTony Blair's ‘great betrayal opened the floodgates... www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/tony-blair-great-betrayal-opened-18312857Huge political cost of Blair’s open door immigration policy... theconversation.com/the-huge-political-cost-of-blairs-decision-to-allow-eastern-european-migrants-unfettered-access-to-britain-66077Plenty more links available, see here - www.google.co.uk/ |
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Post by Red Rackham on May 19, 2023 12:31:40 GMT
see2, there is so much information in the public domain, dozens and dozens of links on the internet that say Blair opened the immigration floodgates and I'm not talking about right wing bloggers. I'm talking about people that were in Blairs administration such as David Blunkett, Jack Straw, senior civil servants such as Robin Butler, Richard Wilson and Andrew Turnbull. Cabinet secretaries, permanent secretaries and advisors. The list of people who warned Blair about silencing anyone who criticised his open door, or 'free flowing' as he called it, immigration policy is endless. To deny it, suggests you either have no access to the internet, which is clearly not the case, or you simply refuse to believe anything negative about saint Tony. You say 'floodgates' so by their very definition the can be opened and/or closed. Why have the Tories after 13 years and Brexit not closed them, I wonder? That Redders is one of lifes great unanswered questions. |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2023 13:04:31 GMT
I will use your own data for now. Summary The UK left the EU single market and customs union at the end of 2020. Since then, UK trade with the EU has been governed by the Trade and Co-operation Agreement. While this allows tariff-free trade in goods between the UK and EU, trade barriers are higher than before. It will get even worse when we leave the 'arrangement' that we have with the EU. |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2023 13:06:18 GMT
You say 'floodgates' so by their very definition the can be opened and/or closed. Why have the Tories after 13 years and Brexit not closed them, I wonder? That Redders is one of lifes great unanswered questions. You are keen to blame 'new Labour, who I had very little time for but you do not seem at all inclined to chase the people still 'allowing' it. |
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