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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2023 6:17:40 GMT
Millions are not, as you say coming into this country you are using the fear tactics of the Tories. If the birth rate is falling are you advocating people should be forced to have babies. If we need more people to work in our sectors we must 'import' them. Over the past 25 years the population of this country has increased from 58 million to 69 million. Never in our history has the population increased so much over such a short period of time. No one was asked, mass immigration was imposed. And to say the overall birth rate is falling is not exactly accurate. The birth rate among British mothers is in decline, some would say serious decline. However the birth rate for immigrant mothers is increasing, indeed immigrant mothers now account for nearly 60% of all births in London, 50% in Manchester and 43% in Birmingham. If this trend continues British people will be a minority within two generations. We do not need more immigration, we need less, a lot less. This level of immigration is doing more damage to this country than the Luftwaffe ever did. I suspect you're thrilled. Are you saying that 11 million 'immigrants' have entered this country in 25 years? |
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Post by see2 on May 17, 2023 6:24:14 GMT
sandypine >> So to be clear you are saying that the increase in population of some 15% in as many years, mostly down to immigration, has absolutely nothing to do with anything else and will not affect health care, education, housing, transport, social services, jobs etc. Freedom of movement was signed by a Tory government where all member states were of a similar economic level, it was NewLabour who saw an opportunity to boost the economy by allowing in cheaper foreign labour en masse whilst messing all over those who were supposed to be their core support. Everything has a price. -----------------------------------------------------------------------The current population of the UK is 68 million, an increase of approximately 5 million since the previous census in 2011, an increase of less than 10%. The UK population also went up sharply between 2001 and 2011, by approximately 4 million Both of these rises can MOSTLY be attributed to the EU10 joining the European Union, plus Bulgaria and Romania joining in 2007. The population of the UK has always gone up between census's, mostly between 1 and 4 million The average Eastern European who arrived in the UK through Freedom Of Movement, are young, healthy, they work, and they pay both direct and indirect taxes. I repeat that the appaling state of our NHS and other public services has got nothing to do with immigrants, but has everything to do with cuts to public services ( which you seem to be in denial about ) and underfunding.
UK population today is almost 69 million, which is c10 million more than it was in 2004 when Blair, who had one eye on becoming president of the EU, opened the EU floodgates. England has been the most densely populated country in Europe since 2007 which is why our social infrastructure including the NHS is at breaking point. When in your opinion, is enough, enough? There were no flood gates to open, idiot. New Labour allowed MORE OF THE NEW MEMBER STATE COUNTRIES migrants into the UK than other EU countries did, while all countries moderated new member migrants for a limited period. The UK desperate for workers including skilled, professional and entrepreneurs to replace the loss of many of these people under Thatcher, and in order to continue growth under NL, allowed more migrants in. The problem WAS NOT IMMIGRATION PER SE, IT WAS, FOR THE HUNDREDTH TIME the INTERNATIONAL FINANCIAL MELTDOWN that undid New Labour. Not New Labour policies. As far as being the most densely populated in Europe, if that is the case, you are doing a Farage in ignoring the fact that most migrants into the UK came from outside of the EU, and now include asylum seekers. Time to clean up your act. |
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Post by sheepy on May 17, 2023 6:26:24 GMT
The Aliens must have dropped them off when we weren't looking.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2023 6:29:43 GMT
People are missing the point and are turning this into another immigration thread.
Given we have had Covid and the war in Ukraine, this country is poorer than it should be or at least the poorest are.
People bang on about the external difficulties that 'must' have led to the poor condition of this country but my assertion is it is purely down to Conservative mismanagement.
The Tories have cleaned up with the PPE scandals, millionaires and billionaires have increased, cronyism is rampant, tax dodging is ridiculous..........
All while the poorest are paying for it.
13 years they have had to 2fix the terrible stae Labour left the country in" as so many people say, why has there been no progress, on anything.
Not on housing, NHS, poverty, public services, road infrastructure, strikes.
13 years is long enough to see some progress but there is none, they have tried and sacked numerous PMs, caused an economic crash (not the bankers but the Tories), feathered their nests and still people defend them.
Blair was not the cause of the state of this country, no matter how loud and for how long you sat it, it is all down to the Tories.
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Post by see2 on May 17, 2023 6:30:04 GMT
immigration up. Living standards down. Pay down. Life expectancy down. Food banks up. NHS waiting lists up. Child poverty up. Homelessness up. Rents up. Mortgages up. Taxes up. Social care availability down. Racism up. Social services down. School funding down. NHS funding down. Food prices up. Petrol prices up. Millionaires up. Houses down. Pot holes up. Pubs down. Cost of living up. Social housing down. Scams up. Jails down. Rail on strike. Nurses on strike. Doctors on strike. Lawyers on strike. Teachers on strike. Libraries down. Fraud up. Prison sentence down. Air quality down. Green initiatives down. Effluent in rivers up. Culture wars up. Crime up. Unsolved crimes up. Mental issues up. Hate crimes up. Street trash up. Union sentiment down. Border checks down. Small boats up. Gerrymandering up. Hate speech up. Hospital waiting lists up. Asylum seekers processing time up. Spending on asylum seekers up. Citizen freedom down. Exports down. Sleaze up. Working people claiming benefits up. Useless PPE stocks up. Cost to store useless PPE up. I have probably missed a load off. Common denominator? You missed the 20mph speed limit, the hospitals permanently in special measures and tbe ambulance targets scrapped because they could not mert them. And it’s not 13 years, it’s 26. Labour : Fucking up Wales since 1997 and no sign of it ending. Did Labour do it, or did the Welsh do it? How good / bad was it in Wales before 1997? |
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Post by Pacifico on May 17, 2023 6:31:49 GMT
ok, so if you were correct that the Tories have increased public spending ( which is not true ), then explain why the NHS was fine in 2009, and is in a terrible state now. ? In which year did real terms spending on health fall? - for someone who throws around allegations of lying so regularly you must have some evidence to show where the Kings Fund figures are wrong. You are free to believe whatever you like in the newspapers - if you do believe everything you read in the Mirror or Guardian though then that may explain a few things. |
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Post by Toreador on May 17, 2023 6:38:16 GMT
Starved of investment takes on a whole new meaning when public spending is higher under the Tories than it ever was under New Labour..   Where did you get your so called information from ^^^ ? More figures that insinuate another lie. Budget 2010: George Osborne today announced the deepest cuts ever seen in the public sector by ordering nearly all government departments to slash an average of 25% from their annual budgets before the next general election and announcing a two-year pay freeze for all public sector employees. www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/jun/22/2010-budget-public-sector-cutsMeanwhile, at least one local authority in the northern part of Lincolnshire, is investing ratepayers' money in commercial property. |
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Post by Pacifico on May 17, 2023 6:40:29 GMT
Starved of investment takes on a whole new meaning when public spending is higher under the Tories than it ever was under New Labour.. Where did you get your so called information from ^^^ ? More figures that insinuate another lie. Budget 2010: George Osborne today announced the deepest cuts ever seen in the public sector by ordering nearly all government departments to slash an average of 25% from their annual budgets before the next general election and announcing a two-year pay freeze for all public sector employees. www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/jun/22/2010-budget-public-sector-cutsLOL - I hate to break it to you but politicians say a lot things that never actually come true.. Rather like Blair promising to be whiter than white and then wallowing in sleaze.. |
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Post by sheepy on May 17, 2023 6:42:31 GMT
Well the bad news is Red I doubt we are missing the point, rather the other way around.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2023 7:17:18 GMT
Well the bad news is Red I doubt we are missing the point, rather the other way around. Is 13 years not enough to at least start. Name one thing that is better since they got in power? |
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Post by sheepy on May 17, 2023 7:24:38 GMT
Well the bad news is Red I doubt we are missing the point, rather the other way around. Is 13 years not enough to at least start. Name one thing that is better since they got in power? I can do that if you insist, they have avoided a major crash, although they still haven't and probably never will recover from the last one, some lessons were learnt at least. The Westminster party never actually fix feck all because they are under the cosh of globalist policies. They are merely going through the motions of making out they are in charge. |
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Post by see2 on May 17, 2023 7:24:42 GMT
Where did you get your so called information from ^^^ ? More figures that insinuate another lie. Budget 2010: George Osborne today announced the deepest cuts ever seen in the public sector by ordering nearly all government departments to slash an average of 25% from their annual budgets before the next general election and announcing a two-year pay freeze for all public sector employees. www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/jun/22/2010-budget-public-sector-cutsLOL - I hate to break it to you but politicians say a lot things that never actually come true. Rather like Blair promising to be whiter than white and then wallowing in sleaze.. A cowardly unproven defense of the overrated Tories by a highly self-opinionated overrated poster trying to insinuate a lie. And another absolute LIE about Blair. Your credibility is sub zero, why not stop posting lies and insinuations? It might mean you being a bit less right-wing, but that would be good for everyone including yourself  |
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Post by see2 on May 17, 2023 7:29:20 GMT
ok, so if you were correct that the Tories have increased public spending ( which is not true ), then explain why the NHS was fine in 2009, and is in a terrible state now. ? In which year did real terms spending on health fall? - for someone who throws around allegations of lying so regularly you must have some evidence to show where the Kings Fund figures are wrong. You are free to believe whatever you like in the newspapers - if you do believe everything you read in the Mirror or Guardian though then that may explain a few things. So how does the increase in spending compare with the levels of inflation and why the need for increased expenditure in 2021/22? |
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Post by Pacifico on May 17, 2023 7:35:36 GMT
In which year did real terms spending on health fall? - for someone who throws around allegations of lying so regularly you must have some evidence to show where the Kings Fund figures are wrong. You are free to believe whatever you like in the newspapers - if you do believe everything you read in the Mirror or Guardian though then that may explain a few things. So how does the increase in spending compare with the levels of inflation and why the need for increased expenditure in 2021/22? do you understand what 'real terms spending' means? |
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Post by see2 on May 17, 2023 7:43:02 GMT
So how does the increase in spending compare with the levels of inflation and why the need for increased expenditure in 2021/22? do you understand what 'real terms spending' means? I understand the absence of spending compared to inflation. And a deterioration of the NHS, all too clear to see. |
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