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Post by Red Rackham on May 15, 2023 11:32:13 GMT
UK citizens living in the EU cant vote in EU elections, why the hell should EU citizens vote in UK elections? Wasn’t a main point of voting Leave that the U.K. could decide its own laws irrespective of EU laws…? Correct. But Starmer never wanted to leave the EU did he. Pro EU Starmer also intends to lower the voting age to 16, because as we all know kids tend to be pro EU and left wing. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2023 11:37:52 GMT
So you like the idea of paying taxes but not being represented in parliament? "Under the proposals, migrants who live permanently in the UK and pay tax will be able to vote in general elections for the first time." UK citizens living in the EU cant vote in EU elections, why the hell should EU citizens vote in UK elections? Why the hell should they pay taxes then? If they are 'permanent' citizens which is what Labour are talking about they should have a say in what their money is spent on. EU citizens living in this country pay more in taxes than we do. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2023 11:38:52 GMT
All they needed to do was become British Citizens and they'd have the vote anyway. Why on Earth would anyone want to 'become' British, we are a laughing stock in Europe.😂 |
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Post by patman post on May 15, 2023 11:39:42 GMT
If 16 to 18 year olds are pro EU and Left Wing, does that mean the older one gets the more Right Wing one’s politics?
If so, allowing voting at 16 should offset the ageing bias — though not entirely, because the birth rate is dropping…
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Post by om15 on May 15, 2023 11:43:35 GMT
You could go down to Dungeness and ask the 500 wetbacks wading ashore everyday why they want to become British. Why do you say we are the laughing stock of Europe, do you imagine everyone in Europe reads your posts?
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2023 11:45:16 GMT
UK citizens living in the EU cant vote in EU elections, why the hell should EU citizens vote in UK elections? Funny RedRum should mention it, wasn't that our relationship with the EU?
We gave our hard earned tax payers cash to the EU yet couldn't have a say on how that money was spent, no point saying that was the job of the MEPs because they just did as they were told (apart from Farage), the rest of them were on the EU gravy train, and didn't give two fucks for the UK tax payers interests.
Of course we had a say we sat on the council that made the decisions, in fact we 'were' one of the big boys at the big table. Farage never, ever cared about British taxpayer, he is a loud mouthed self centred git. He is a Russian stooge. |
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Post by Vinny on May 15, 2023 11:46:51 GMT
All they needed to do was become British Citizens and they'd have the vote anyway. Why on Earth would anyone want to 'become' British, we are a laughing stock in Europe.😂 We're one of the most diverse and friendly countries in Europe, we're one of the safest countries in Europe and we're one of the most outward looking countries in Europe. And we're also selling more than we were before we voted to leave the EU. Remoaner cultists might not like us, but most of us don't care. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2023 11:49:19 GMT
You could go down to Dungeness and ask the 500 wetbacks wading ashore everyday why they want to become British. Why do you say we are the laughing stock of Europe, do you imagine everyone in Europe reads your posts? Wetbacks = asylum seekers? We now know who you are, politically. link |
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Post by Red Rackham on May 15, 2023 11:49:37 GMT
UK citizens living in the EU cant vote in EU elections, why the hell should EU citizens vote in UK elections? Why the hell should they pay taxes then? If they are 'permanent' citizens which is what Labour are talking about they should have a say in what their money is spent on. EU citizens living in this country pay more in taxes than we do. I will ask again: UK citizens living in the EU cant vote in EU elections, why the hell should EU citizens vote in UK elections? |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2023 11:50:35 GMT
Why on Earth would anyone want to 'become' British, we are a laughing stock in Europe.😂 We're one of the most diverse and friendly countries in Europe, we're one of the safest countries in Europe and we're one of the most outward looking countries in Europe. And we're also selling more than we were before we voted to leave the EU. Remoaner cultists might not like us, but most of us don't care. You really have got it bad. link |
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Post by Vinny on May 15, 2023 12:00:36 GMT
Link doesn't work.
Care to just explain your position?
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Post by om15 on May 15, 2023 12:17:48 GMT
My political opinions are no secret and I am faintly surprised that it has taken you several years to observe that I have slightly right of centre moderate and conservative views.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2023 12:17:50 GMT
We are not disputing what she or others are or are not entitled to do now. We are talking about what ought to be the case, and clearly after a certain period of residence in which they have shown a commitment to this country they ought to have the vote. They work and pay their taxes after all and already have the right to vote in local elections. And if the intention is to rig votes I have already told you why many of them will never vote Labour. But that's not the point. If they live here and work here, contribute here, pay their taxes here, use local services here, there is a definite moral case for them having the vote. Your suspicions about the imagined likelihood of them not voting how you would like - which is what your opposition amounts to when you talk of vote rigging motives, is not a well reasoned argument nor a good moral one. They contribute far more to this country than expats living in the South of France or some such place who can vote here. I'd rather they were given the right to vote there, but that is between them and the French. Besides which, what other countries choose to do is irrelevant. We should be free to make our own decisions on what is right for everyone living here. Both my moral and reasoned arguments are sound. Therefore, if they have such commitment, like you allege they do towards Britain then they will have no trouble in motivating themselves to get citizenship. You think it is that simple or are you trying to pull the wool over our eyes? Citizenship is not free and something you get for free. It is for sale. And the cost is heavy. £1330. Now that might be nothing to your typical Russian oligarch or wealthy foreign Tory donor but it is a huge amount to many people and an awfully high price to be expected to pay just to be able to vote. If you had to pay that sum in order to obtain the right to vote would you bother? I put it to you that very few people would. Why should my friend who struggles financially like most working people have to pay such a sum just to vote? No amount of motivating oneself is ever going to be enough if you dont have £1330 laying around. www.gov.uk/government/publications/fees-for-citizenship-applications/fees-for-citizenship-applications-and-the-right-of-abode-from-6-april-2018I know what you are really afraid of. That they might not think the way you want them to re the EU. And incidentally, the proposal is not limited to EU nationals alone as the Tory press would have the usual gullible idiots believe, but ALL nationals from anywhere in the world, not just EU ones, after a period of residency here. And for your information New Zealand gives the vote to all nationals resident in New Zealand for at least 2 years. I suspect politically motivated motives in your opposition to the idea. In fact it is transparently obvious. And anyone who opposes a reasonable extension of democracy because they basically fear how the new voters might vote is not basing their argument on any higher principle greater than suspicion of foreigners and are nowhere near the moral high ground. They are closer to the moral gutter. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2023 12:24:28 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2023 12:31:52 GMT
So you like the idea of paying taxes but not being represented in parliament? "Under the proposals, migrants who live permanently in the UK and pay tax will be able to vote in general elections for the first time." UK citizens living in the EU cant vote in EU elections, why the hell should EU citizens vote in UK elections? Part of the reason we have left the EU is so we can make our own rules so why the hell does it matter anymore what they do? Besides by leaving the EU we created a situation that forced all EU nationals either to leave or proactively apply for the right of residency. In doing the latter they have further proactively demonstrated their commitment to the UK as their chosen home and place of work. Besides - unlike as the Tory press would have all the usual kneejerk gullible fools believe, the proposal is not limited to EU nationals but is proposed for all nationals after a period of residency. New Zealand allows all nationals including British ones the right to vote after being resident in New Zealand for 2 years. So I will turn your risibly predictable argument on its head. Why should New Zealanders be denied the vote here when our nationals are allowed the vote there? |
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