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Post by Vinny on May 15, 2023 9:55:40 GMT
All they needed to do was become British Citizens and they'd have the vote anyway.
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Post by see2 on May 15, 2023 10:48:20 GMT
Easily answered, it is your interpreted opinion. Going by your posts you have NO substance and NO credit. That's because you've failed to justify why Starmer should allow non-UK citizens a parliamentary vote. I have never commented on it let alone tried to justify it. I have commented on the unnecessary garbage you add to your comments. |
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Post by Red Rackham on May 15, 2023 10:49:57 GMT
So you like the idea of paying taxes but not being represented in parliament? "Under the proposals, migrants who live permanently in the UK and pay tax will be able to vote in general elections for the first time." UK citizens living in the EU cant vote in EU elections, why the hell should EU citizens vote in UK elections? |
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Post by buccaneer on May 15, 2023 10:58:37 GMT
That's because you've failed to justify why Starmer should allow non-UK citizens a parliamentary vote. I have never commented on it let alone tried to justify it. I have commented on the unnecessary garbage you add to your comments. Well, at least you admit you have no substance to offer in this discussion then. Glad you cleared that up for us. |
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Post by see2 on May 15, 2023 11:00:28 GMT
You are entitled to your misguided opinions. Maybe if you stop being led by the nose by the newspapers you read and other forms of gossip, you will begin to form some objective opinions of your own. 'Objective opinions', again from the pseudo psychologist. Says the poster who acts like he gave birth to Blair! Just more shit from a Righty^^^ What? being objective is pseudo psychology ha ha, thanks for the laugh. I'm beginning to understand how you choose the Right-Wing approach, objectivity is beyond you. I can understand all the insinuations and false accusations by Righties like yourself against Blair, Blair along with New Labour kept your overrated Tory knobs out of office for the longest period of time in their history. Tories are now shit scared of the possibility of a New Labour styled opposition. |
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Post by see2 on May 15, 2023 11:02:29 GMT
I have never commented on it let alone tried to justify it. I have commented on the unnecessary garbage you add to your comments. Well, at least you admit you have no substance to offer in this discussion then. Glad you cleared that up for us. I admitted no such thing, but thanks for exposing the fact that you make up your own world to live. A bit like another well known Rightist Trump. |
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Post by buccaneer on May 15, 2023 11:02:52 GMT
Don't take it literally comrade Luddite, it was tongue in cheek. I couldn't give a fig what your Latvian friend is or does. If she isn't naturalised and doesn't hold a British passport she's not entitled to vote. Simple. It's something that is not broken and doesn't need fixing. If having the right to vote is that important to her then she will need to get her citizenship. It's not hard. Nor is it rocket science. Why you believe I have to agree with such a monumental change (that no other nation does to the best of my knowledge), on something as important as that merely because its been its been mooted Starmer is willing to do this to clearly rig votes, only heavens knows. We are not disputing what she or others are or are not entitled to do now. We are talking about what ought to be the case, and clearly after a certain period of residence in which they have shown a commitment to this country they ought to have the vote. They work and pay their taxes after all and already have the right to vote in local elections. And if the intention is to rig votes I have already told you why many of them will never vote Labour. But that's not the point. If they live here and work here, contribute here, pay their taxes here, use local services here, there is a definite moral case for them having the vote. Your suspicions about the imagined likelihood of them not voting how you would like - which is what your opposition amounts to when you talk of vote rigging motives, is not a well reasoned argument nor a good moral one. They contribute far more to this country than expats living in the South of France or some such place who can vote here. I'd rather they were given the right to vote there, but that is between them and the French. Besides which, what other countries choose to do is irrelevant. We should be free to make our own decisions on what is right for everyone living here. Both my moral and reasoned arguments are sound. Therefore, if they have such commitment, like you allege they do towards Britain then they will have no trouble in motivating themselves to get citizenship. |
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Post by Fairsociety on May 15, 2023 11:04:58 GMT
So you like the idea of paying taxes but not being represented in parliament? "Under the proposals, migrants who live permanently in the UK and pay tax will be able to vote in general elections for the first time." UK citizens living in the EU cant vote in EU elections, why the hell should EU citizens vote in UK elections? Funny RedRum should mention it, wasn't that our relationship with the EU?
We gave our hard earned tax payers cash to the EU yet couldn't have a say on how that money was spent, no point saying that was the job of the MEPs because they just did as they were told (apart from Farage), the rest of them were on the EU gravy train, and didn't give two fucks for the UK tax payers interests.
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Post by buccaneer on May 15, 2023 11:05:49 GMT
Many UK citizens do not have a passport . So what? You are correct. But Buccaneer said: Because by right you have to be a citizen to have a British passport. *rolls eyes* And by the same token you have to be a British citizen in order to have a parliamentary vote. |
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Post by patman post on May 15, 2023 11:06:41 GMT
From memory, if you retain British nationality but become (semi permanently) resident elsewhere, you retain the right to vote in UK general elections for, I think, 10 years.
I tend to think that's about right.
It was actually 15 years. But I believe that the time limit has been scrapped now. Only people eligible to hold a British Passport should be allowed to vote in British elections, and only adults, in my opinion. Otherwise we become open to subversion by foreign powers. And the right to a British Passport is for sale…: British citizenship application fee (this includes the £80 British citizenship ceremony fee which includes the administration of a citizenship oath and pledge) – £1130 Biometric appointment fee – £19.20 Life in the UK Test fee – £50 English language test fee (only required for citizens of certain countries) – £150 |
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Post by patman post on May 15, 2023 11:10:09 GMT
All they needed to do was become British Citizens and they'd have the vote anyway. Theirs for £1429… |
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Post by buccaneer on May 15, 2023 11:12:39 GMT
It was actually 15 years. But I believe that the time limit has been scrapped now. Only people eligible to hold a British Passport should be allowed to vote in British elections, and only adults, in my opinion. Otherwise we become open to subversion by foreign powers. And the right to a British Passport is for sale…: British citizenship application fee (this includes the £80 British citizenship ceremony fee which includes the administration of a citizenship oath and pledge) – £1130 Biometric appointment fee – £19.20 Life in the UK Test fee – £50 English language test fee (only required for citizens of certain countries) – £150 So what's the problem then in them getting citizenship? Oh, that's right Starmer would rather rush through perm residents, and allow them to vote in order to consolidate a pro-Labour/pro-EU demographic. |
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Post by Vinny on May 15, 2023 11:12:57 GMT
Good value that.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2023 11:19:59 GMT
UK citizens living in the EU cant vote in EU elections, why the hell should EU citizens vote in UK elections? Funny RedRum should mention it, wasn't that our relationship with the EU?
We gave our hard earned tax payers cash to the EU yet couldn't have a say on how that money was spent, no point saying that was the job of the MEPs because they just did as they were told (apart from Farage), the rest of them were on the EU gravy train, and didn't give two fucks for the UK tax payers interests.
There was no accountability, so who knows where that money went. Every national vote that went against the EU was basically overturned by repeating the same thing until the EU got the answer they wanted. Once it gets what it wants referendums stop. The EU will also ignore referendum results and work with the nation government to force through their treaties. |
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Post by patman post on May 15, 2023 11:26:37 GMT
So you like the idea of paying taxes but not being represented in parliament? "Under the proposals, migrants who live permanently in the UK and pay tax will be able to vote in general elections for the first time." UK citizens living in the EU cant vote in EU elections, why the hell should EU citizens vote in UK elections? Wasn’t a main point of voting Leave that the U.K. could decide its own laws irrespective of EU laws…? |
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