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Post by buccaneer on May 15, 2023 8:40:13 GMT
He doesn't trust the British vote so has to garner votes from others. If that is silliness from our resident quack, please explain why that is instead of flipping your amygdala. You are short on substance as much as you are on credit. Easily answered, it is your interpreted opinion. Going by your posts you have NO substance and NO credit. That's because you've failed to justify why Starmer should allow non-UK citizens a parliamentary vote. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2023 8:41:02 GMT
Could this total prick get anymore desperate?
Keir Starmer to give millions of EU nationals the vote
Starmer will hand the vote to millions of EU citizens if Labour wins the next general election, the Telegraph can reveal.
Under manifesto plans for the biggest expansion of the franchise in almost a century, Starmer will launch a “package of proposals” including votes for settled migrants and 16 and 17-year-olds.
Starmer doesn't trust the British to vote on their own affairs. He needs others to help him out. Next it will be Albanian "refugees' who are given the vote as soon as they hit the Channel in a dinghy.. You are talking utter shit as usual. Albanian refugees will get the vote? Utter shite,. As for the millions of EU nationals resident here, most of them have been here for years, working hard and paying their taxes sand have set down roots here. My Latvian friend is one of them and thinks of the UK as home now. She came here aged 18 and has been here ever since. She is now 32. She is typical of so many in always having worked and never claimed any benefits, and never having burdened our nation with the costs of her education. She loves the Royal Family and loves this country. And knows almost as much about it as we do because she has been here so long and is intelligent and insightful. People like her have earned the right to vote and will exercise that right in the best interests of the country as they see it. And if you think they will all vote Labour you are worrying about nothing (and not liking the way you think they might vote is not a justification for denying it to them anyway). My friend works for the DWP now but refuses to join their union, and refuses to participate in strike action. She believes in lower taxes and rewarding the workers over the shirkers, speaks of people she deals with all day as having an unjustified sense of entitlement, decries too many people not willing to work, loves the royal family and admires successful people. She is not a Labour supporter at all and would more likely vote Tory, though probably not for the current shambles. Many of these EU nationals you decry are hard working go getters and potentially natural Tory voters. Quite a few of them were born under the yoke of the USSR either in a satellite country like Poland or inside the USSR itself like my friend, and are instinctively averse to socialism having seen or heard about from their nearest and dearest the Soviet version of it. My friend is too young to have remembered it herself, being born mere months before Latvia gained its independence and the USSR itself collapsed, but she grew up amongst family and friends who told her about it. Her own grandmother spent time in a Soviet Gulag. If you imagine these people are all natural Labour supporters, your fears are more real than the reality. |
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Post by buccaneer on May 15, 2023 8:44:06 GMT
The only way Starmer will get the keys to No.10 is through dirty tricks and fraud. He's tried other methods and failed miserably, he just can't sell himself to the public, he's a Europhile always was always will be, determined to drag us back into the fuckin cesspit. You are entitled to your misguided opinions. Maybe if you stop being led by the nose by the newspapers you read and other forms of gossip, you will begin to form some objective opinions of your own. 'Objective opinions', again from the pseudo psychologist. Says the poster who acts like he gave birth to Blair! |
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Post by buccaneer on May 15, 2023 8:46:27 GMT
Starmer doesn't trust the British to vote on their own affairs. He needs others to help him out. Next it will be Albanian "refugees' who are given the vote as soon as they hit the Channel in a dinghy.. You are talking utter shit as usual. Albanian refugees will get the vote? Utter shite,. As for the millions of EU nationals resident here, most of them have been here for years, working hard and paying their taxes sand have set down roots here. My Latvian friend is one of them and thinks of the UK as home now. She came here aged 18 and has been here ever since. She is now 32. She is typical of so many in always having worked and never claimed any benefits, and never having burdened our nation with the costs of her education. She loves the Royal Family and loves this country. And knows almost as much about it as we do because she has been here so long and is intelligent and insightful. People like her have earned the right to vote and will exercise that right in the best interests of the country as they see it. And if you think they will all vote Labour you are worrying about nothing (and not liking the way you think they might vote is not a justification for denying it to them anyway). My friend works for the DWP now but refuses to join their union, and refuses to participate in strike action. She believes in lower taxes and rewarding the workers over the shirkers, speaks of people she deals with all day as having an unjustified sense of entitlement, decries too many people not willing to work, loves the royal family and admires successful people. She is not a Labour supporter at all and would more likely vote Tory, though probably not for the current shambles. Many of these EU nationals you decry are hard working go getters and potentially natural Tory voters. Quite a few of them were born under the yoke of the USSR either in a satellite country like Poland or inside the USSR itself like my friend, and are instinctively averse to socialism having seen or heard about from their nearest and dearest the Soviet version of it. My friend is too young to have remembered it herself, being born mere months before Latvia gained its independence and the USSR itself collapsed, but she grew up amongst family and friends who told her about it. Her own grandmother spent time in a Soviet Gulag. If you imagine these people are all natural Labour supporters, your fears are more real than the reality. Don't take it literally comrade Luddite, it was tongue in cheek. I couldn't give a fig what your Latvian friend is or does. If she isn't naturalised and doesn't hold a British passport she's not entitled to vote. Simple. It's something that is not broken and doesn't need fixing. If having the right to vote is that important to her then she will need to get her citizenship. It's not hard. Nor is it rocket science. Why you believe I have to agree with such a monumental change (that no other nation does to the best of my knowledge), on something as important as that merely because its been its been mooted Starmer is willing to do this to clearly rig votes, only heavens knows. |
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Post by Toreador on May 15, 2023 8:59:06 GMT
Yes and as someone who was part of the membership at the time and had a vote, it was obvious to many of us from the start that he was lying to us by the company he kept, who his advisors and cheerleaders were, etc. This was reinforced by the types supporting him at my local level and the shit they too were trying to tell us. He has done exactly what we knew he would do. We were predicting this from the very beginning. Which is why we see all this guff about changed circumstances for the figleaf of an excuse that it is. Because he was always going to do this anyway regardless of circumstances. There were still a lot of Blairites in the party though prepared to back him exactly because they knew he was lying to us. They were banking on it. But until we all left there were not enough of these to win it for Starmer on their own. Instead, much to my regret and disgust there proved to be a large chunk of utterly gullible twats in the middle who believed in all the guff about Corbynite policies with a more electable leader. These complete fools gifted it to him, our warnings to them ignored. And we have been vindicated, little good it has done us. Most of us who saw through him from the start have been hounded out of the party now under any pretext they can find, usually by dredged up statements in defence of the oppressed people of Palestine being conflated with antisemitism. The rest of us just gradually left in disgust. So I know that my forrmer local party membership now consists mostly of Blairite stooges and sell outs, and a heavy sprinkling of gullible twats who can be talked into anything. Most of the ones who knew what was coming and opposed it but were defeated in the ballot have now left. If my local party is in any way representative, Labour is lost forever as a party of principle and radical change. The piece that the Corbyn stooges who created the nonsense under Corbyn and his inevitable defeat, choose to ignore, is one of the points that the 'pledges' were made on by Starmer, which was his promise to "work tirelessly to get Labour in to power", a clear indication that different levels of priority to the pledges made were a necessity. Many of which have not been reneged on, just lowered in their level of priority. I.E. The economy comes first. Idiots who continuously attack Blair and the New Labour approach attack the most successful Labour government that did more for working people than any other since Clem Attlee's government. Just how ridiculous can hard liners get? |
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Post by Fairsociety on May 15, 2023 9:05:39 GMT
You are talking utter shit as usual. Albanian refugees will get the vote? Utter shite,. As for the millions of EU nationals resident here, most of them have been here for years, working hard and paying their taxes sand have set down roots here. My Latvian friend is one of them and thinks of the UK as home now. She came here aged 18 and has been here ever since. She is now 32. She is typical of so many in always having worked and never claimed any benefits, and never having burdened our nation with the costs of her education. She loves the Royal Family and loves this country. And knows almost as much about it as we do because she has been here so long and is intelligent and insightful. People like her have earned the right to vote and will exercise that right in the best interests of the country as they see it. And if you think they will all vote Labour you are worrying about nothing (and not liking the way you think they might vote is not a justification for denying it to them anyway). My friend works for the DWP now but refuses to join their union, and refuses to participate in strike action. She believes in lower taxes and rewarding the workers over the shirkers, speaks of people she deals with all day as having an unjustified sense of entitlement, decries too many people not willing to work, loves the royal family and admires successful people. She is not a Labour supporter at all and would more likely vote Tory, though probably not for the current shambles. Many of these EU nationals you decry are hard working go getters and potentially natural Tory voters. Quite a few of them were born under the yoke of the USSR either in a satellite country like Poland or inside the USSR itself like my friend, and are instinctively averse to socialism having seen or heard about from their nearest and dearest the Soviet version of it. My friend is too young to have remembered it herself, being born mere months before Latvia gained its independence and the USSR itself collapsed, but she grew up amongst family and friends who told her about it. Her own grandmother spent time in a Soviet Gulag. If you imagine these people are all natural Labour supporters, your fears are more real than the reality. Don't take it literally comrade Luddite, it was tongue in cheek.I couldn't give a fig what your Latvian friend is or does. If she isn't naturalised and doesn't hold a British passport she's not entitled to vote. Simple. It's something that is not broken and doesn't need fixing. If having the right to vote is that important to her then she will need to get her citizenship. It's not hard. Nor is it rocket science. Why you believe I have to agree with such a monumental change (that no other nation does to the best of my knowledge), on something as important as that merely because its been its been mooted Starmer is willing to do this to clearly rig votes, only heavens knows. Most of us knew it was a tongue in cheek comment, however many a true word is spoken in jest, I think Starmer will go to any lengths to be Prime Minister, and stop at nothing, he's fed up of playing second fiddle all the time, he can't wait to destroy the UK, he will take his orders directly from the head office, Brusssels, where he will be reward dearly when he's put out to pasture, the ever faithful nodding dog. |
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Post by buccaneer on May 15, 2023 9:18:37 GMT
Don't take it literally comrade Luddite, it was tongue in cheek.I couldn't give a fig what your Latvian friend is or does. If she isn't naturalised and doesn't hold a British passport she's not entitled to vote. Simple. It's something that is not broken and doesn't need fixing. If having the right to vote is that important to her then she will need to get her citizenship. It's not hard. Nor is it rocket science. Why you believe I have to agree with such a monumental change (that no other nation does to the best of my knowledge), on something as important as that merely because its been its been mooted Starmer is willing to do this to clearly rig votes, only heavens knows. Most of us knew it was a tongue in cheek comment, however many a true word is spoken in jest, I think Starmer will go to any lengths to be Prime Minister, and stop at nothing, he's fed up of playing second fiddle all the time, he can't wait to destroy the UK, he will take his orders directly from the head office, Brusssels, where he will be reward dearly when he's put out to pasture, the ever faithful nodding dog. It does appear Starmer is willing to push boundaries to get into power and get on his knees before Brussels. His attack dog campaigns against Sunak were an example of the depths he will go to in order to achieve this, hiring a prominent civil servant if nothing else makes the trust in 'the blob' and him look even weaker than it already is, and now there is this idea that he's willing to give non-citizens a parliamentary vote - to rig a referendum on EU membership further down the line. This, I bet was always his 'Ace' card to get the UK back into the EU by hook or by crook. He's U-turned on, and ditched pledges and makes Boris look as though he has more conviction, and dare I say honesty. |
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Post by andrewbrown on May 15, 2023 9:30:56 GMT
You do not have to have a British Passport to vote. 🙄
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2023 9:32:15 GMT
You are talking utter shit as usual. Albanian refugees will get the vote? Utter shite,. As for the millions of EU nationals resident here, most of them have been here for years, working hard and paying their taxes sand have set down roots here. My Latvian friend is one of them and thinks of the UK as home now. She came here aged 18 and has been here ever since. She is now 32. She is typical of so many in always having worked and never claimed any benefits, and never having burdened our nation with the costs of her education. She loves the Royal Family and loves this country. And knows almost as much about it as we do because she has been here so long and is intelligent and insightful. People like her have earned the right to vote and will exercise that right in the best interests of the country as they see it. And if you think they will all vote Labour you are worrying about nothing (and not liking the way you think they might vote is not a justification for denying it to them anyway). My friend works for the DWP now but refuses to join their union, and refuses to participate in strike action. She believes in lower taxes and rewarding the workers over the shirkers, speaks of people she deals with all day as having an unjustified sense of entitlement, decries too many people not willing to work, loves the royal family and admires successful people. She is not a Labour supporter at all and would more likely vote Tory, though probably not for the current shambles. Many of these EU nationals you decry are hard working go getters and potentially natural Tory voters. Quite a few of them were born under the yoke of the USSR either in a satellite country like Poland or inside the USSR itself like my friend, and are instinctively averse to socialism having seen or heard about from their nearest and dearest the Soviet version of it. My friend is too young to have remembered it herself, being born mere months before Latvia gained its independence and the USSR itself collapsed, but she grew up amongst family and friends who told her about it. Her own grandmother spent time in a Soviet Gulag. If you imagine these people are all natural Labour supporters, your fears are more real than the reality. Don't take it literally comrade Luddite, it was tongue in cheek. I couldn't give a fig what your Latvian friend is or does. If she isn't naturalised and doesn't hold a British passport she's not entitled to vote. Simple. It's something that is not broken and doesn't need fixing. If having the right to vote is that important to her then she will need to get her citizenship. It's not hard. Nor is it rocket science. Why you believe I have to agree with such a monumental change (that no other nation does to the best of my knowledge), on something as important as that merely because its been its been mooted Starmer is willing to do this to clearly rig votes, only heavens knows. We are not disputing what she or others are or are not entitled to do now. We are talking about what ought to be the case, and clearly after a certain period of residence in which they have shown a commitment to this country they ought to have the vote. They work and pay their taxes after all and already have the right to vote in local elections. And if the intention is to rig votes I have already told you why many of them will never vote Labour. But that's not the point. If they live here and work here, contribute here, pay their taxes here, use local services here, there is a definite moral case for them having the vote. Your suspicions about the imagined likelihood of them not voting how you would like - which is what your opposition amounts to when you talk of vote rigging motives, is not a well reasoned argument nor a good moral one. They contribute far more to this country than expats living in the South of France or some such place who can vote here. I'd rather they were given the right to vote there, but that is between them and the French. Besides which, what other countries choose to do is irrelevant. We should be free to make our own decisions on what is right for everyone living here. |
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Post by Fairsociety on May 15, 2023 9:33:46 GMT
Most of us knew it was a tongue in cheek comment, however many a true word is spoken in jest, I think Starmer will go to any lengths to be Prime Minister, and stop at nothing, he's fed up of playing second fiddle all the time, he can't wait to destroy the UK, he will take his orders directly from the head office, Brusssels, where he will be reward dearly when he's put out to pasture, the ever faithful nodding dog. It does appear Starmer is willing to push boundaries to get into power and get on his knees before Brussels. His attack dog campaigns against Sunak were an example of the depths he will go to in order to achieve this, hiring a prominent civil servant if nothing else makes the trust in 'the blob' and him look even weaker than it already is, and now there is this idea that he's willing to give non-citizens a parliamentary vote - to rig a referendum on EU membership further down the line. This, I bet was always his 'Ace' card to get the UK back into the EU by hook or by crook. He's U-turned on, and ditched pledges and makes Boris look as though he has more conviction, and dare I say honesty. He doesn't appear to be denying any of this so called newspaper 'gossip' as another poster put it.
It's a cross party remoaner plot including the Tories who are hellbent on the UK rejoining the EU, and we know for a FACT, that after 47 years of being members it did absolutely nothing for the average man/woman (or whatever they identify as these days) except take our hard earned tax payers money and squander it, just like Labour do.
The only reasons these remainiacs want back in the EU is to feather their own nests, and board the gravy train once again, just look at the Blair's and Kinnock's, Starmer wants on that train, and he'll stop at nothing to join it.
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Post by Bentley on May 15, 2023 9:34:57 GMT
You do not have to have a British Passport to vote. 🙄 Many UK citizens do not have a passport . So what? |
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Post by buccaneer on May 15, 2023 9:36:18 GMT
You do not have to have a British Passport to vote. 🙄 To be a citizen you do. |
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Post by andrewbrown on May 15, 2023 9:38:02 GMT
You do not have to have a British Passport to vote. 🙄 Many UK citizens do not have a passport . So what? You are correct. But Buccaneer said: |
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Post by Bentley on May 15, 2023 9:39:51 GMT
Many UK citizens do not have a passport . So what? You are correct. But Buccaneer said: He didn’t say “doesn't hold a British passport ( therefore) she's not entitled to vote”. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2023 9:42:41 GMT
You do not have to have a British Passport to vote. 🙄 To be a citizen you do. Rubbish. I do not have a passport yet was born and bred here and am every bit as much a citizen of this country as you probably are. To try and argue with a straight face that anyone born and bred here cannot be a citizen because they do not possess a passport us rubbish of the highest order, especially since the only real reason most people obtain passports is to travel outside the country. Why should the ability to travel outside the country be a definition of citizenship. Besides, technically are we all not subjects rather than citizens? Methinks you are making up definitions to suit as you go along. |
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