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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2023 5:24:04 GMT
Why are you people so scared of 're-joining' the EU.
We were better off trading with our nearest neighbours. We had higher food standards. we could import/export easier. we could travel across the EU with far less hassle....................
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 15, 2023 5:37:09 GMT
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Post by andrewbrown on May 15, 2023 7:03:24 GMT
He is NOT a UK citizen sunshine. This countries affairs have feck all todo with him. But he IS a UK resident and pays his taxes here EXACTLY the same as you and me?
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Post by see2 on May 15, 2023 7:25:44 GMT
He most certainly lied to the electorate in the Labour Party leadership election - how many of his commitments made then has he kept? Yes and as someone who was part of the membership at the time and had a vote, it was obvious to many of us from the start that he was lying to us by the company he kept, who his advisors and cheerleaders were, etc. This was reinforced by the types supporting him at my local level and the shit they too were trying to tell us. He has done exactly what we knew he would do. We were predicting this from the very beginning. Which is why we see all this guff about changed circumstances for the figleaf of an excuse that it is. Because he was always going to do this anyway regardless of circumstances. There were still a lot of Blairites in the party though prepared to back him exactly because they knew he was lying to us. They were banking on it. But until we all left there were not enough of these to win it for Starmer on their own. Instead, much to my regret and disgust there proved to be a large chunk of utterly gullible twats in the middle who believed in all the guff about Corbynite policies with a more electable leader. These complete fools gifted it to him, our warnings to them ignored. And we have been vindicated, little good it has done us. Most of us who saw through him from the start have been hounded out of the party now under any pretext they can find, usually by dredged up statements in defence of the oppressed people of Palestine being conflated with antisemitism. The rest of us just gradually left in disgust. So I know that my forrmer local party membership now consists mostly of Blairite stooges and sell outs, and a heavy sprinkling of gullible twats who can be talked into anything. Most of the ones who knew what was coming and opposed it but were defeated in the ballot have now left. If my local party is in any way representative, Labour is lost forever as a party of principle and radical change. The piece that the Corbyn stooges who created the nonsense under Corbyn and his inevitable defeat, choose to ignore, is one of the points that the 'pledges' were made on by Starmer, which was his promise to "work tirelessly to get Labour in to power", a clear indication that different levels of priority to the pledges made were a necessity. Many of which have not been reneged on, just lowered in their level of priority. I.E. The economy comes first. Idiots who continuously attack Blair and the New Labour approach attack the most successful Labour government that did more for working people than any other since Clem Attlee's government. Just how ridiculous can hard liners get?
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Post by see2 on May 15, 2023 7:29:34 GMT
Could this total prick get anymore desperate?
Keir Starmer to give millions of EU nationals the vote
Starmer will hand the vote to millions of EU citizens if Labour wins the next general election, the Telegraph can reveal.
Under manifesto plans for the biggest expansion of the franchise in almost a century, Starmer will launch a “package of proposals” including votes for settled migrants and 16 and 17-year-olds.
Starmer doesn't trust the British to vote on their own affairs. He needs others to help him out. Next it will be Albanian "refugees' who are given the vote as soon as they hit the Channel in a dinghy.. More silliness from the Right ^^^
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Post by jonksy on May 15, 2023 7:41:22 GMT
He is NOT a UK citizen sunshine. This countries affairs have feck all todo with him. But he IS a UK resident and pays his taxes here EXACTLY the same as you and me? He is NOT A UK CITIZEN sunshine.
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Post by buccaneer on May 15, 2023 8:02:05 GMT
He is NOT a UK citizen sunshine. This countries affairs have feck all todo with him. But he IS a UK resident and pays his taxes here EXACTLY the same as you and me? So do people who come to work in the UK on holiday visas for 12 months of the year. They pay taxes, but like a permanent resident they don't hold a British passport. They don't have the right to vote in a parliamentary election unless they become naturalised, and their citizenship can't be cancelled whereas their perm residency can. Making up new arbitrary rules to rig an election isn't the way of democracy. And there aren't many nations (any that I know), that allow non-citizens to vote in a parliamentary election
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Post by buccaneer on May 15, 2023 8:04:58 GMT
Starmer doesn't trust the British to vote on their own affairs. He needs others to help him out. Next it will be Albanian "refugees' who are given the vote as soon as they hit the Channel in a dinghy.. More silliness from the Right ^^^ He doesn't trust the British vote so has to garner votes from others. If that is silliness from our resident quack, please explain why that is instead of flipping your amygdala. You are short on substance as much as you are on credit.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2023 8:11:02 GMT
Yes and as someone who was part of the membership at the time and had a vote, it was obvious to many of us from the start that he was lying to us by the company he kept, who his advisors and cheerleaders were, etc. This was reinforced by the types supporting him at my local level and the shit they too were trying to tell us. He has done exactly what we knew he would do. We were predicting this from the very beginning. Which is why we see all this guff about changed circumstances for the figleaf of an excuse that it is. Because he was always going to do this anyway regardless of circumstances. There were still a lot of Blairites in the party though prepared to back him exactly because they knew he was lying to us. They were banking on it. But until we all left there were not enough of these to win it for Starmer on their own. Instead, much to my regret and disgust there proved to be a large chunk of utterly gullible twats in the middle who believed in all the guff about Corbynite policies with a more electable leader. These complete fools gifted it to him, our warnings to them ignored. And we have been vindicated, little good it has done us. Most of us who saw through him from the start have been hounded out of the party now under any pretext they can find, usually by dredged up statements in defence of the oppressed people of Palestine being conflated with antisemitism. The rest of us just gradually left in disgust. So I know that my forrmer local party membership now consists mostly of Blairite stooges and sell outs, and a heavy sprinkling of gullible twats who can be talked into anything. Most of the ones who knew what was coming and opposed it but were defeated in the ballot have now left. If my local party is in any way representative, Labour is lost forever as a party of principle and radical change. The piece that the Corbyn stooges who created the nonsense under Corbyn and his inevitable defeat, choose to ignore, is one of the points that the 'pledges' were made on by Starmer, which was his promise to "work tirelessly to get Labour in to power", a clear indication that different levels of priority to the pledges made were a necessity. Many of which have not been reneged on, just lowered in their level of priority. I.E. The economy comes first. Idiots who continuously attack Blair and the New Labour approach attack the most successful Labour government that did more for working people than any other since Clem Attlee's government. Just how ridiculous can hard liners get? Have you listened to yourself? He has not abandoned his pledges. He has just made them a lower priority. Hahaha, you will say anything to defend your hero.
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Post by see2 on May 15, 2023 8:17:23 GMT
More silliness from the Right ^^^ He doesn't trust the British vote so has to garner votes from others. If that is silliness from our resident quack, please explain why that is instead of flipping your amygdala. You are short on substance as much as you are on credit. Easily answered, it is your interpreted opinion. Going by your posts you have NO substance and NO credit.
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Post by Fairsociety on May 15, 2023 8:30:10 GMT
The only way Starmer will get the keys to No.10 is through dirty tricks and fraud.
He's tried other methods and failed miserably, he just can't sell himself to the public, he's a Europhile always was always will be, determined to drag us back into the fuckin cesspit.
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Post by see2 on May 15, 2023 8:30:49 GMT
The piece that the Corbyn stooges who created the nonsense under Corbyn and his inevitable defeat, choose to ignore, is one of the points that the 'pledges' were made on by Starmer, which was his promise to "work tirelessly to get Labour in to power", a clear indication that different levels of priority to the pledges made were a necessity. Many of which have not been reneged on, just lowered in their level of priority. I.E. The economy comes first. Idiots who continuously attack Blair and the New Labour approach attack the most successful Labour government that did more for working people than any other since Clem Attlee's government. Just how ridiculous can hard liners get? Have you listened to yourself? He has not abandoned his pledges. He has just made them a lower priority. Hahaha, you will say anything to defend your hero. Starmer has already made it clear that the economy comes first. Why not show me verbatim what Starmer said, that shows he has no desire to scrap tuition fees? You are so deeply buried inside your political box you will never understand why Old Labour spend most of their time out of power. Your lack of understanding includes the fact that nothing can be achieved from the opposition benches.
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Post by see2 on May 15, 2023 8:34:26 GMT
The only way Starmer will get the keys to No.10 is through dirty tricks and fraud. He's tried other methods and failed miserably, he just can't sell himself to the public, he's a Europhile always was always will be, determined to drag us back into the fuckin cesspit. You are entitled to your misguided opinions. Maybe if you stop being led by the nose by the newspapers you read and other forms of gossip, you will begin to form some objective opinions of your own.
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Post by sheepy on May 15, 2023 8:36:02 GMT
The only way Starmer will get the keys to No.10 is through dirty tricks and fraud. He's tried other methods and failed miserably, he just can't sell himself to the public, he's a Europhile always was always will be, determined to drag us back into the fuckin cesspit. You are entitled to your misguided opinions. Maybe if you stop being led by the nose by the newspapers you read and other forms of gossip, you will begin to form some objective opinions of your own. Not true either every bit of major damage to the UK was agreed on by all parties who either abstained or voted in favour.
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Post by Fairsociety on May 15, 2023 8:37:57 GMT
The only way Starmer will get the keys to No.10 is through dirty tricks and fraud. He's tried other methods and failed miserably, he just can't sell himself to the public, he's a Europhile always was always will be, determined to drag us back into the fuckin cesspit. You are entitled to your misguided opinions. Maybe if you stop being led by the nose by the newspapers you read and other forms of gossip, you will begin to form some objective opinions of your own. Don't you think it's strange he isn't denying any of this 'gossip'?
If it weren't true he would be there denying all this so called gossip, and where's his side-kick Rayner?. Their deafening silence from both of these loudmouths is suspicious, wouldn't you say?
Well actually no you wouldn't, you think the sun shines out of their arses.
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