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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 14, 2023 18:18:52 GMT
Sorry to burst your bubble Shrieks, but I use recognised legal and social definitions rather than ones that you just pulled out of your arse. Legal definitions are usually formed decades before and do not recognise changes in word usage, like the frequent use of the word "child" by condescending old twats to belittle young people who are nearly adults. Which is why no one outside a law court would ever call a 17 year old a child unless they were a condescending old twat deliberately doing so to be condescending. As you full well know because you probably do it yourself
Hush child, the adults are talking. 
But on a more serious note, this exercises you because like most lefties you've never grown up yourself. Your mental age is about 16 and you think that the world is a student debating society.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2023 18:29:32 GMT
As for "lying" .. well a political leader could be termed a liar if something was included within a manifesto going into an election, and then that commitment was abandoned after winning power. On that basis, Starmer has not lied to the electorate or broken any promises. He most certainly lied to the electorate in the Labour Party leadership election - how many of his commitments made then has he kept?  Yes and as someone who was part of the membership at the time and had a vote, it was obvious to many of us from the start that he was lying to us by the company he kept, who his advisors and cheerleaders were, etc. This was reinforced by the types supporting him at my local level and the shit they too were trying to tell us. He has done exactly what we knew he would do. We were predicting this from the very beginning. Which is why we see all this guff about changed circumstances for the figleaf of an excuse that it is. Because he was always going to do this anyway regardless of circumstances. There were still a lot of Blairites in the party though prepared to back him exactly because they knew he was lying to us. They were banking on it. But until we all left there were not enough of these to win it for Starmer on their own. Instead, much to my regret and disgust there proved to be a large chunk of utterly gullible twats in the middle who believed in all the guff about Corbynite policies with a more electable leader. These complete fools gifted it to him, our warnings to them ignored. And we have been vindicated, little good it has done us. Most of us who saw through him from the start have been hounded out of the party now under any pretext they can find, usually by dredged up statements in defence of the oppressed people of Palestine being conflated with antisemitism. The rest of us just gradually left in disgust. So I know that my forrmer local party membership now consists mostly of Blairite stooges and sell outs, and a heavy sprinkling of gullible twats who can be talked into anything. Most of the ones who knew what was coming and opposed it but were defeated in the ballot have now left. If my local party is in any way representative, Labour is lost forever as a party of principle and radical change. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2023 18:34:04 GMT
Legal definitions are usually formed decades before and do not recognise changes in word usage, like the frequent use of the word "child" by condescending old twats to belittle young people who are nearly adults. Which is why no one outside a law court would ever call a 17 year old a child unless they were a condescending old twat deliberately doing so to be condescending. As you full well know because you probably do it yourself
Hush child, the adults are talking.
But on a more serious note, this exercises you because like most lefties you've never grown up yourself. Your mental age is about 16 and you think that the world is a student debating society.
No. It exercises me because I have not forgotten what it was like to be young and because I think the voices of young people matter. You appear to have a mindset that is a cross between Norman Tebbit, Liz Truss, and Benito Mussolini. Unless it comes to such issues as affect you personally like civil service pay and pensions and then you start sounding almost left wing, lol |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2023 18:37:24 GMT
srb7677 >> "You might be onto something. Starmer is someone for whom promises are purely tactical to get elected, then he'll do whatever he really wants once in. And he has always been a Remainer. And I know many who were in my former local party who supported him purely because of that.
And the fact is that both demographics and the tide of opinion is working against the Brexit dream and Starmer probably knows it. The elderly mostly voted for Brexit. In the seven years since then quite a few of them will no longer be with us. The young mostly voted Remain. The vast majority of them are still here. And 7 years worth of young people too young to have voted in 2016 are voters now. And most of them are more pro-EU than anti. Added to this inexorable demographic shift - by which the Brexit vote is slowly dying whilst the Remainer/Rejoiner vote is slowly growing - is the fact that growing numbers of people are beginning to see that they were lied to, and that Brexit has been an economic disaster.
So the tide is probably turning in Starmer's favour on this one. But he'll make sure of it by telling whatever lies are necessary in an election campaign anyway"
-------------------------------------------------------- Well its certainly a good theory, but thats all it is, without any real factual evidence or foundation PLUS the truth is that the last time that public opinion was with LEAVE was over two years ago, and since 2021 the polls have gradually widened in favour of REMAIN or should I say REJOIN. The most recent poll ( Omnisis 26th 27th April ) has a 17 point lead for REJOIN, so in reality, Starmer would not need to "fix" the electorate or elections, we will leave that to the Tories. Also, Starmer has stated that rejoining the EU is not on the agenda, and will not be revisited, and I personaly believe that if he broke his word, he would be committing political suicide. As for "lying" .. well a political leader could be termed a liar if something was included within a manifesto going into an election, and then that commitment was abandoned after winning power. On that basis, Starmer has not lied to the electorate or broken any promises. He has, in spades, to the electorate that was the Labour Party membership. If he can lie so brazenly to one electorate he can lie to another. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 14, 2023 18:40:44 GMT
Hush child, the adults are talking.
But on a more serious note, this exercises you because like most lefties you've never grown up yourself. Your mental age is about 16 and you think that the world is a student debating society.
No. It exercises me because I have not forgotten what it was like to be young and because I think the voices of young people matter. You appear to have a mindset that is a cross between Norman Tebbit, Liz Truss, and Benito Mussolini. Unless it comes to such issues as affect you personally like civil service pay and pensions and then you start sounding almost left wing, lol Said a child with a mindset that's a cross between Adolf Hitler, Swampy and Michael Foot. |
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Post by buccaneer on May 14, 2023 20:13:02 GMT
Could this total prick get anymore desperate?
Keir Starmer to give millions of EU nationals the vote
Starmer will hand the vote to millions of EU citizens if Labour wins the next general election, the Telegraph can reveal.
Under manifesto plans for the biggest expansion of the franchise in almost a century, Starmer will launch a “package of proposals” including votes for settled migrants and 16 and 17-year-olds.
Starmer doesn't trust the British to vote on their own affairs. He needs others to help him out. Next it will be Albanian "refugees' who are given the vote as soon as they hit the Channel in a dinghy.. |
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Post by buccaneer on May 14, 2023 20:19:32 GMT
My brother in law is from Germany but has been living in Blackburn (that takes some acclimatisation!) for 14 years. He's worked since he has been here, paying taxes and being a member of the community. He gets a vote in the local elections, but not the general election. I can think of absolutely no reason at all why he shouldn't have one. No other EU nation allows EU citizens who are not their nationals to vote in parliamentary elections. There is no reason your brother-in-law should be able to vote unless he becomes naturalised. |
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Post by jonksy on May 14, 2023 20:28:28 GMT
Getting over the fact we have left your beloved EUSSR and we will not be returning. Move on FFS and look to the UK's far brighter future now we are not controlled by the Brussels unelected unacountable and faceless morons of the EUSSR dictatorship. |
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Post by buccaneer on May 14, 2023 21:20:42 GMT
Imagine being taken back into the EU by four million non-citizens who have made the decision to drop the nation's currency in favour of the Euro, and signing the UK up to all sorts of political, economic and monetary
obligations.
I can't see this being allowed to happen personally.
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Post by Pacifico on May 14, 2023 21:25:27 GMT
It is an interesting question - what would happen if we were taken back into the EU by a majority that was less than the total vote of non citizens who voted in the referendum?
Would we get a confirmatory vote from only UK citizens?
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Post by andrewbrown on May 14, 2023 22:01:15 GMT
Getting over the fact we have left your beloved EUSSR and we will not be returning. Move on FFS and look to the UK's far brighter future now we are not controlled by the Brussels unelected unacountable and faceless morons of the EUSSR dictatorship. So, having claimed you could give a good reason why my brother in law should be able to vote in local elections but not general elections, when asked for it you were singularly unable to provide. I'm not surprised. 🙄 |
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Post by jonksy on May 14, 2023 22:37:23 GMT
Getting over the fact we have left your beloved EUSSR and we will not be returning. Move on FFS and look to the UK's far brighter future now we are not controlled by the Brussels unelected unacountable and faceless morons of the EUSSR dictatorship. why my brother in law should be able to vote in local elections but not general elections, when asked for it you were singularly unable to provide. I'm not surprised. 🙄 What better reason is there sunshine? Your brotherinlaw has no right voting IN ANY UK election. |
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Post by andrewbrown on May 14, 2023 22:45:17 GMT
For what REASON?
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Post by Bentley on May 14, 2023 22:48:14 GMT
Because he is not a UK citizen? |
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Post by jonksy on May 14, 2023 23:22:47 GMT
He is NOT a UK citizen sunshine. This countries affairs have feck all todo with him. |
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