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Post by see2 on May 21, 2023 20:54:09 GMT
Spiked? are you serious? Spiked is for the easily led.
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Post by Pacifico on May 22, 2023 6:51:12 GMT
Moderation Notice.
I have deleted several posts that were just childish back and forth - can we keep it civil and on topic please.
If not I'll lock the thread.
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Post by Toreador on May 22, 2023 20:29:40 GMT
If he had a clue he'd changed the way the legal profession work and leave organising the NHS to those who do have a clue but it shouldn't be a politician, a union man and certainly shouldn't be a dignitary or lawyer. Your opinion is noted, but considering your support for Farage over the years I don't think you are in a position to judge. I'm a racing fan and like backing winners, Nigel is a prime example of such, that you won't agree is, like most of your mutterings, irrelevant. :@
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Post by see2 on May 22, 2023 20:42:01 GMT
Your opinion is noted, but considering your support for Farage over the years I don't think you are in a position to judge. I'm a racing fan and like backing winners, Nigel is a prime example of such, that you won't agree is, like most of your mutterings, irrelevant. :@Apparently Nigel is facing up to his failure on Brexit. He was a loser before Brexit and it looks like he is still a loser. I have previously posted that an effigy of Farage might at some time replace Guy Fawkes on a bonfire, its looking more and more like a possibility
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Post by see2 on May 22, 2023 20:45:35 GMT
Perhaps it has, especially given the levels of immigration, and in particular so called asylum seekers. I suspect Starmer is prepared to look at realistic changes in the NHS. The problem is serious reform without throwing the baby out with the bath water, a safer bet under Labour than under the Tories. I suspect that once you include’ realistic ‘ into the equation the solution becomes politically untenable. WHY?
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Post by Toreador on May 22, 2023 20:49:39 GMT
I'm a racing fan and like backing winners, Nigel is a prime example of such, that you won't agree is, like most of your mutterings, irrelevant. :@Apparently Nigel is facing up to his failure on Brexit. He was a loser before Brexit and it looks like he is still a loser. I have previously posted that an effigy of Farage might at some time replace Guy Fawkes on a bonfire, its looking more and more like a possibility You hear his words wrongly. He doesn't think Brexit was a failure per se, he believes politicians have made it fail, notably Boris but others are not exempt from blame, including Starmer and others who want to see it fail. I would like to see a whole raft of different politics and politicians running this country, it could hardly be worse.
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Post by see2 on May 22, 2023 21:01:28 GMT
Apparently Nigel is facing up to his failure on Brexit. He was a loser before Brexit and it looks like he is still a loser. I have previously posted that an effigy of Farage might at some time replace Guy Fawkes on a bonfire, its looking more and more like a possibility You hear his words wrongly. He doesn't think Brexit was a failure per se, he believes politicians have made it fail, notably Boris but others are not exempt from blame, including Starmer and others who want to see it fail. I would like to see a whole raft of different politics and politicians running this country, it could hardly be worse. That is typical rightist language everyone else is to blame, and add in a lie for good measure. Starmer has accepted Brexit but he like the majority of people he is interested in trade with the EU, not in rejoining it. The rejoining slur is just one more 'its not our fault' excuse made by the Brexit brigade.
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Post by Bentley on May 22, 2023 21:28:31 GMT
I suspect that once you include’ realistic ‘ into the equation the solution becomes politically untenable. WHY? Because I suspect the solution would be politically untenable.
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Post by Toreador on May 22, 2023 21:48:14 GMT
You hear his words wrongly. He doesn't think Brexit was a failure per se, he believes politicians have made it fail, notably Boris but others are not exempt from blame, including Starmer and others who want to see it fail. I would like to see a whole raft of different politics and politicians running this country, it could hardly be worse. That is typical rightist language everyone else is to blame, and add in a lie for good measure. Starmer has accepted Brexit but he like the majority of people he is interested in trade with the EU, not in rejoining it. The rejoining slur is just one more 'its not our fault' excuse made by the Brexit brigade. I'm worried about your judgement. A whole raft of politicians are anti-Brexit, for seven years many of them have done their best to thwart the process and they're people of all political persuasions and from different backgrounds; we have some on here.
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Post by Pacifico on May 22, 2023 21:52:49 GMT
I'm a racing fan and like backing winners, Nigel is a prime example of such, that you won't agree is, like most of your mutterings, irrelevant. :@ Apparently Nigel is facing up to his failure on Brexit. I hate to point it out but he won - you lost. Get over it.
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Post by see2 on May 22, 2023 21:57:29 GMT
Because I suspect the solution would be politically untenable. That part is understood, the question is why do you think it would be politically untenable?
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Post by see2 on May 22, 2023 22:03:45 GMT
Apparently Nigel is facing up to his failure on Brexit. I hate to point it out but he won - you lost. Get over it. I got over it very very quickly because there was nothing I could do about it, so don't make false insinuations against me. Nigel's lies helped the Brexit result, but he has now apparently acknowledged that Brexit has failed.
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Post by Pacifico on May 22, 2023 22:05:04 GMT
I hate to point it out but he won - you lost. Get over it. I got over it very very quickly because there was nothing I could do about it, so don't make false insinuations against me. Nigel's lies helped the Brexit result, but he has now apparently acknowledged that Brexit has failed. The vote was to leave - we have left. Get over it.
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Post by see2 on May 22, 2023 22:07:53 GMT
That is typical rightist language everyone else is to blame, and add in a lie for good measure. Starmer has accepted Brexit but he like the majority of people he is interested in trade with the EU, not in rejoining it. The rejoining slur is just one more 'its not our fault' excuse made by the Brexit brigade. I'm worried about your judgement. A whole raft of politicians are anti-Brexit, for seven years many of them have done their best to thwart the process and they're people of all political persuasions and from different backgrounds; we have some on here. There has been a lot of anti-Brexit mumbling, but to my knowledge no one with any authority or any ability to halt Brexit has stood in the way of Brexit.
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Post by Bentley on May 22, 2023 22:13:33 GMT
Because I suspect the solution would be politically untenable. That part is understood, the question is why do you think it would be politically untenable? Because , I suspect that the politically acceptable approach would be one dimensional and the real solution would not.
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