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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2023 14:42:51 GMT
Pensioners also have much less stake in the future and are in most cases no longer nett contributors, but in spite of these shortcomings I will continue to support your right to vote just as much as I wouls support it for 16 and 17 year olds. And in my experience the average 16 and 17 year old is far more clued up than some pensioners are when it comes to modern day living. I know quite a few of the latter who dont even know how to go on the internet and are afraid of it. Pensioners may have more stake in the future with children grandchildren etc. Many pensioners may not be clued up on teh internet but they are generally not afraid or traumatised by hearing people with different points of view and do not need safe spaces within which they are insulated from differnet opinions. Judging by this forum many of you pensioners seem to have a problen with views that differ from yours whilst often spouting some highly dubious ones yourselves. |
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Post by Fairsociety on May 17, 2023 14:45:56 GMT
Expat voting rights treaty secured with Spain
The UK and Spanish Governments have signed a treaty that secures the rights of British and Spanish citizens to stand and vote in local elections in each other’s countries after the UK leaves the EU.
It is our intent that all eligible EU citizens living in the UK will be able to vote in local elections in England and Northern Ireland this May. Those who are nominated and elected at or before these local elections will also be permitted to serve their full term in office.
Brexit Minister Robin Walker said:
I’m very pleased to have signed such an important treaty with one of our closest neighbours which maintains people’s ability to exercise their democratic rights, by standing and voting in local elections.
This adds a further guarantee to the rights of UK nationals in Spain, and Spanish citizens in the UK, in any scenario.
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Post by Bentley on May 17, 2023 14:47:20 GMT
O& course it’s my opinion . What opinion was you hoping for , yours? ’His’ wife and children are not him. If an individual wants the right to vote for the UK they should be an adult UK citizen. Doesn’t matter if their wife , kids , grandma or second cousin already is . You have stated no clear arguments why that should be so. If anyone presents any in opposition to you you tend not to understand it and just dismiss it as pointless words, thereby showcasing your intellectual failure. You keep pretending that you are a complex intellectual and Ill keep laughing at you . |
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Post by sandypine on May 17, 2023 14:52:14 GMT
Pensioners may have more stake in the future with children grandchildren etc. Many pensioners may not be clued up on teh internet but they are generally not afraid or traumatised by hearing people with different points of view and do not need safe spaces within which they are insulated from differnet opinions. Judging by this forum many of you pensioners seem to have a problen with views that differ from yours whilst often spouting some highly dubious ones yourselves. Having a problem with different views is no where near the same as being traumatised by hearing different views and seeking to be, and actively encouraged to be, protected from hearing them. The whole point about extending the vote to 16 and 17 years olds is that they may have more nous and a different view on the future. That can hardly materialise if they are only allowed to hear certain points of view and find hearing different views upsetting and troubling. Even 18 to 20 years old have to have safe spaces when being educated. It is a nonsense. |
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Post by Bentley on May 17, 2023 14:55:19 GMT
If they are not willing to make the effort to become citizens of the UK then they are not fully committed to the UK. Bollocks. Shelling out large sums of money is not a reasonable determinant of commitment. After all it represents very little genuine commitment to a rich man. Actually living here and working here and raising a family here shows far more commitment to the UK. And is not something that mere money can demonstrate. But do carry on talking shit. It gives me something to laugh at. Hahaha Bollocks. Shelling out large sums of money can be a reasonable measure of commitment . Unfortunately the world tends to favour rich people . Actually living here and raising a family shows little commitment to the UK. It merely demonstrates that the UK was the best choice to raise to work and raise a family . Nothing more But do carry on projecting your own inadequacies MrAngry . You are laughing at your own reflection. |
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Post by Bentley on May 17, 2023 14:56:04 GMT
Pensioners may have more stake in the future with children grandchildren etc. Many pensioners may not be clued up on teh internet but they are generally not afraid or traumatised by hearing people with different points of view and do not need safe spaces within which they are insulated from differnet opinions. Judging by this forum many of you pensioners seem to have a problen with views that differ from yours whilst often spouting some highly dubious ones yourselves. Oh the irony !! 😂 |
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Post by see2 on May 17, 2023 14:56:15 GMT
In your opinion. And all your opinion means is that you cannot think of a possible reason for him not taking that final step even though he is de-facto committed. Even if the wife and kids are committed? It is a point of contention, I think someone heavily de-facto committed should get the vote, problem is without taking that final step then one never knows how real the commitment is. AFAIA it is only a suggestion by Starmer not a commitment. O& course it’s my opinion . What opinion was you hoping for , yours? ’His’ wife and children are not him. If an individual wants the right to vote for the UK they should be an adult UK citizen. Doesn’t matter if their wife , kids , grandma or second cousin already is . 1. The overuse of 'that's just your opinion' is used as a disagreement with the post, or something about the post. funny how you missed the obvious usage. 2. Anther exposure of your juvenile level of thinking. 3. I tend to agree, but that does not -- close my mind -- to other possibilities. |
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Post by Bentley on May 17, 2023 15:09:53 GMT
O& course it’s my opinion . What opinion was you hoping for , yours? ’His’ wife and children are not him. If an individual wants the right to vote for the UK they should be an adult UK citizen. Doesn’t matter if their wife , kids , grandma or second cousin already is . 1. The overuse of 'that's just your opinion' is used as a disagreement with the post, or something about the post. funny how you missed the obvious usage. 2. Anther exposure of your juvenile level of thinking. 3. I tend to agree, but that does not -- close my mind -- to other possibilities. 1 then stop overusing it. 2 nope another exposure of your muddied thinking . 2 You tend to construct an opinion where only your arguments and views have any worth . Your mind is closed from the start . |
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Post by see2 on May 17, 2023 15:19:37 GMT
1. The overuse of 'that's just your opinion' is used as a disagreement with the post, or something about the post. funny how you missed the obvious usage. 2. Anther exposure of your juvenile level of thinking. 3. I tend to agree, but that does not -- close my mind -- to other possibilities. 1 then stop overusing it. 2 nope another exposure of your muddied thinking . 2 You tend to construct an opinion where only your arguments and views have any worth . Your mind is closed from the start . !. Looking at your earlier post its clear that you're too immature to be telling me what to do, 2. I don't expect you to recognise your own immaturity, even when the obvious is pointed out. 3. A nasty constructed lie that you are unable to prove in any way whatsoever, but fits in very well with right-wing insinuations and denigrations. |
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Post by Bentley on May 17, 2023 15:21:48 GMT
1 then stop overusing it. 2 nope another exposure of your muddied thinking . 2 You tend to construct an opinion where only your arguments and views have any worth . Your mind is closed from the start . !. Looking at your earlier post its clear that you're too immature to be telling me what to do, 2. I don't expect you to recognise your own immaturity, even when the obvious is pointed out. 3. A nasty constructed lie that you are unable to prove in any way whatsoever, but fits in very well with right-wing insinuations and denigrations. 1 projection. 2 projection 3 projection. You win a virtual gonk with “ Oh the irony’ embodied on the front. See2 .❤️ |
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Post by Pacifico on May 17, 2023 16:54:04 GMT
If somebody has been here for "ten, twenty, thirty years" and hasn't got British citizenship, then they obviously don't want it and are not that bothered about the ability to vote. Absolute nonsense. It is far more likely that they are not prepared to pay £1400 for the right to vote. And why would they? How many of the rest of us would pay that for the right to vote? Vanishingly few I suspect. The right to vote should be determined by residency not money nor citizenship if acquiring the latter costs a lot of money They are not paying £1400 for the right to vote - they are paying £1400 for a British Passport. If you permanently migrate to another country why wouldn't you want to become a citizen of that country? |
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Post by bancroft on May 17, 2023 17:01:36 GMT
Pensioners have more impact on the economy than 16-17 year olds as they spend more due to having both private and state pensions.
16-17 year olds though having jobs normally live at home with less disposable income.
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Post by see2 on May 17, 2023 21:19:30 GMT
!. Looking at your earlier post its clear that you're too immature to be telling me what to do, 2. I don't expect you to recognise your own immaturity, even when the obvious is pointed out. 3. A nasty constructed lie that you are unable to prove in any way whatsoever, but fits in very well with right-wing insinuations and denigrations. 1 projection. 2 projection 3 projection. You win a virtual gonk with “ Oh the irony’ embodied on the front. See2 .❤️ Ha ha ha, Typical right-wing denigration you guys have nothing without it. |
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Post by Bentley on May 17, 2023 21:20:34 GMT
1 projection. 2 projection 3 projection. You win a virtual gonk with “ Oh the irony’ embodied on the front. See2 .❤️ Ha ha ha, Typical right-wing denigration you guys have nothing without it. Oh the irony ❤️ |
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Post by see2 on May 17, 2023 21:22:16 GMT
Absolute nonsense. It is far more likely that they are not prepared to pay £1400 for the right to vote. And why would they? How many of the rest of us would pay that for the right to vote? Vanishingly few I suspect. The right to vote should be determined by residency not money nor citizenship if acquiring the latter costs a lot of money They are not paying £1400 for the right to vote - they are paying £1400 for a British Passport. If you permanently migrate to another country why wouldn't you want to become a citizen of that country? You would be better asking them rather than insinuating you know something others don't know. |
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