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Post by Einhorn on May 17, 2023 19:39:11 GMT
You say it is wrong by today's standards. In that case, what would you say to Moggy when he says it is something to be proud of? I'm sorry you feel my having an opinion on the subject is polarising. I have clearly misunderstood the function of a debating forum. There are many aspects of the Empire to be proud of as I have said, as I am tired of repeating. It is a complex balance and on balance we should be proud. You may disagree and the polarising comment is with regards to only concentrating on the bad and accentuating the bad and effectively ignoring the good. Maybe I missed it but you have indeed accentuated the bad and seem unwilling to acknowledge any good. There was a chap I saw recently on TV who said the effects of Empire were always bad. You're one of those happy-clappy people who sees the good in everyone. God bless you, Sandy!
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Post by colbops on May 17, 2023 19:51:49 GMT
There are many aspects of the Empire to be proud of Why? You didn't contribute anything to it, not one thing. How can you take any pride in something that you had no part in at all?
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Post by sandypine on May 17, 2023 20:06:32 GMT
There are many aspects of the Empire to be proud of Why? You didn't contribute anything to it, not one thing. How can you take any pride in something that you had no part in at all? There is the eternal question. I was not involved in slavery but I am expected to atone for it in some way by the descendants of many of those who were enslaved. That is because I am connected to it by the continuum of history. If this is true, and many hold it to be true, then as well as being culpable for its iniquities I can also take pride in its beneficial actions. Of course those who wish only to blame for the bad also wish to ignore the good. So I will take a degree of culpability on the chin but also expect a pat on the back for the good, in general they cancel each other out but I think the pat on the back is more deserved, but there you go.
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Post by Pacifico on May 17, 2023 21:18:22 GMT
There are many aspects of the Empire to be proud of Why? You didn't contribute anything to it, not one thing. How can you take any pride in something that you had no part in at all? Well I didnt take any part in the Atlantic slave trade but I was paying to end it up until 2015. So what happens in the past can directly affect us today.
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Post by Bentley on May 17, 2023 21:21:37 GMT
Why? You didn't contribute anything to it, not one thing. How can you take any pride in something that you had no part in at all? Well I didnt take any part in the Atlantic slave trade but I was paying to end it up until 2015. So what happens in the past can directly affect us today. I feel cleansed .
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Post by Einhorn on May 17, 2023 22:12:06 GMT
Why? You didn't contribute anything to it, not one thing. How can you take any pride in something that you had no part in at all? Well I didnt take any part in the Atlantic slave trade but I was paying to end it up until 2015. So what happens in the past can directly affect us today. That money was paid to the slave owners. You know, the same class of people that was shitting all over the ordinary Brit. The slaves didn't see a penny of it. And the British descendants of those slaves paid the same taxes you did. So, the poor ordinary Brit who was being oppressed by the elite slave owning class had to pay that class to release the slaves. And then the descendants of those slaves had to pay. That figures. You see how early capitalism worked now, Doc?
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Post by Einhorn on May 17, 2023 22:20:09 GMT
I can also take pride in its beneficial actions. You’re probably one of those people who likes to recite Hitler’s credits. Why does nobody remember the strict animal cruelty laws, the autobahns, the full employment, you probably ask yourself. Why do people insist on seeing only the bad in the man? Well, I don’t have an answer for you, Sandy. I suppose, we’re just cynical.
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Post by Bentley on May 17, 2023 22:30:45 GMT
Humans are predatory creatures. If we were not conquering and opposing’ them ‘then ‘ they ‘would be conquering and oppressing us .
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Post by Einhorn on May 17, 2023 22:32:57 GMT
Humans are predatory creatures. If we were not conquering and opposing’ them ‘then ‘ they ‘would be conquering and oppressing us . Indeed, credit where it's due. The elite did a damned good job of conquering the British people. What do you think their secret was? Divide and conquer? Or did they simply exploit the gullible. After all, Doc doesn't seem to mind that he had to pay the elite to release their slaves. He's still happy to doff his cap to the likes of Mogg.
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Post by Bentley on May 17, 2023 22:36:05 GMT
Humans are predatory creatures. If we were not conquering and opposing’ them ‘then ‘ they ‘would be conquering and oppressing us . Indeed, credit where it's due. The elite did a damned good job of conquering the British people. What do you think their secret was? Divide and conquer? Utter ruthlessness. Our elite has better weapons than their elite too.
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Post by Einhorn on May 17, 2023 22:37:09 GMT
Indeed, credit where it's due. The elite did a damned good job of conquering the British people. What do you think their secret was? Divide and conquer? Utter ruthlessness. Our elite has better weapons than their elite too. That could be it. The maxim guns helped too. Maxim guns win against rocks and spears every time.
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Post by Bentley on May 17, 2023 22:42:01 GMT
Utter ruthlessness. Our elite has better weapons than their elite too. That could be it. The maxim guns helped too. That worked on the fuzzy wuzzies. The great British unwashed needed a more subtle approach .
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Post by Einhorn on May 17, 2023 22:47:05 GMT
That could be it. The maxim guns helped too. That worked on the fuzzy wuzzies. The great British unwashed needed a more subtle approach . The fuzzy wuzzies? To be fair, the approach used at Peterloo wasn't that subtle. Nor was the Bloody Code, for that matter.
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Post by Bentley on May 17, 2023 22:50:54 GMT
That worked on the fuzzy wuzzies. The great British unwashed needed a more subtle approach . The fuzzy wuzzies? Yeah. They’re fuzzy whilst being wuzzy at the same time . The great British unwashed were not washed . Hope this helps
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Post by Einhorn on May 17, 2023 22:51:46 GMT
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