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Post by Bentley on May 17, 2023 22:53:37 GMT
That worked on the fuzzy wuzzies. The great British unwashed needed a more subtle approach . The fuzzy wuzzies? To be fair, the approach used at Peterloo wasn't that subtle. Nor was the Bloody Code, for that matter. No but the Great British unwashed were groomed to comply with their masters by being told that a promised land of milk and honey lay ahead for then if they do. Much like lefties tell people today. |
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Post by Einhorn on May 17, 2023 22:54:44 GMT
The fuzzy wuzzies? To be fair, the approach used at Peterloo wasn't that subtle. Nor was the Bloody Code, for that matter. No but the Great British unwashed were groomed to comply with their masters by being told that a promised land of milk and honey lay ahead for then if they do. Can you cite examples? |
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Post by colbops on May 17, 2023 22:59:45 GMT
Why? You didn't contribute anything to it, not one thing. How can you take any pride in something that you had no part in at all? Well I didnt take any part in the Atlantic slave trade but I was paying to end it up until 2015. So what happens in the past can directly affect us today. I don't see how that clarifies the rationale for taking pride from achievements that one made absolutely no contribution to. |
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Post by Bentley on May 17, 2023 23:00:45 GMT
No but the Great British unwashed were groomed to comply with their masters by being told that a promised land of milk and honey lay ahead for then if they do. Can you cite examples? Really? Are you not aware that the great unwashed were groomed to believe service to the Queen and country was a godly endeavour? After all we were bringing Gods word to the heatherns. Just as the lefties would have us believe that if we follow them down the the leftie wormhole , we will arrive in the land of equality and eternal peace . Both were lies . |
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Post by Bentley on May 17, 2023 23:01:57 GMT
Well I didnt take any part in the Atlantic slave trade but I was paying to end it up until 2015. So what happens in the past can directly affect us today. I don't see how that clarifies the rationale for taking pride from achievements that one made absolutely no contribution to. I was proud of the England team who won the World Cup in 1966 but I never scored a single goal. Was I wrong ? |
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Post by Einhorn on May 17, 2023 23:05:39 GMT
Really? Are you not aware that the great unwashed were groomed to believe service to the Queen and country was a godly endeavour? After all we were bringing Gods word to the heatherns. So, there were no promises of milk and honey for the ordinary Brit? I had visions of some sort of assembly outside the mills and factories every morning, where the owners would promise wealth beyond the dreams of avarice to the slum dwellers if only they would knuckle down to an honest day's work. There wasn't any of that? |
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Post by colbops on May 17, 2023 23:08:48 GMT
I don't see how that clarifies the rationale for taking pride from achievements that one made absolutely no contribution to. I was proud of the England team who won the World Cup in 1966 but I never scored a single goal. Was I wrong ? How should I know? I don't know you or anything about you other than you didn't score any goals in the 1966 world cup. |
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Post by Bentley on May 17, 2023 23:15:25 GMT
I was proud of the England team who won the World Cup in 1966 but I never scored a single goal. Was I wrong ? How should I know? I don't know you or anything about you other than you didn't score any goals in the 1966 world cup. That’s enough to know that people do take pride in other people’s triumphs. Especially when it’s by their own countrymen . You never made any contributions to anything your father did before you were born and probably afterwards . Does that exclude you from being proud of your dad? |
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Post by Bentley on May 17, 2023 23:16:55 GMT
Really? Are you not aware that the great unwashed were groomed to believe service to the Queen and country was a godly endeavour? After all we were bringing Gods word to the heatherns. So, there were no promises of milk and honey for the ordinary Brit? I had visions of some sort of assembly outside the mills and factories every morning, where the owners would promise wealth beyond the dreams of avarice to the slum dwellers if only they would knuckle down to an honest day's work. There wasn't any of that? There were promises of paradise for the ordinary Brit. I’ll let you have a little sleep to work out where and when that was. |
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Post by Einhorn on May 17, 2023 23:18:34 GMT
So, there were no promises of milk and honey for the ordinary Brit? I had visions of some sort of assembly outside the mills and factories every morning, where the owners would promise wealth beyond the dreams of avarice to the slum dwellers if only they would knuckle down to an honest day's work. There wasn't any of that? There were promises of paradise for the ordinary Brit. I’ll let you have a little sleep to work out where and when that was. So, you agree with Marx when he said that the slum dwellers were placated and dissuaded from revolution by the promise of a better here-after (religion is the opium of the masses)? |
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Post by Pacifico on May 18, 2023 6:44:23 GMT
Well I didnt take any part in the Atlantic slave trade but I was paying to end it up until 2015. So what happens in the past can directly affect us today.  That money was paid to the slave owners. You know, the same class of people that was shitting all over the ordinary Brit. The slaves didn't see a penny of it. And the British descendants of those slaves paid the same taxes you did. So, the poor ordinary Brit who was being oppressed by the elite slave owning class had to pay that class to release the slaves. And then the descendants of those slaves had to pay. That figures. You see how early capitalism worked now, Doc? People getting paid for the loss of their property is how Capitalism works now. Do you not understand what capitalism is? |
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Post by Pacifico on May 18, 2023 6:45:14 GMT
Well I didnt take any part in the Atlantic slave trade but I was paying to end it up until 2015. So what happens in the past can directly affect us today. I don't see how that clarifies the rationale for taking pride from achievements that one made absolutely no contribution to. I made a financial contribution. |
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Post by sheepy on May 18, 2023 7:12:38 GMT
I don't see how that clarifies the rationale for taking pride from achievements that one made absolutely no contribution to. I made a financial contribution. Without once noticing the irony involved, so the very people who owned slaves were due compensation from said slaves who also kept their fortunes made from slavery and received more money for stopping it. Either way they were on a winner, so you can see why there might be a backlash at some given point, while the people who lived under terrible conditions anyway, were charged with paying them compensation. |
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Post by Pacifico on May 18, 2023 7:27:51 GMT
I made a financial contribution. Without once noticing the irony involved, so the very people who owned slaves were due compensation from said slaves who also kept their fortunes made from slavery and received more money for stopping it. Either way they were on a winner, so you can see why there might be a backlash at some given point, while the people who lived under terrible conditions anyway, were charged with paying them compensation. Well I would suggest that the expense of stopping slavery was worthwhile - certainly compared with other things that Governments waste money on (HS2?). Obviously everyone has different opinions. |
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Post by Einhorn on May 18, 2023 8:05:09 GMT
That money was paid to the slave owners. You know, the same class of people that was shitting all over the ordinary Brit. The slaves didn't see a penny of it. And the British descendants of those slaves paid the same taxes you did. So, the poor ordinary Brit who was being oppressed by the elite slave owning class had to pay that class to release the slaves. And then the descendants of those slaves had to pay. That figures. You see how early capitalism worked now, Doc? People getting paid for the loss of their property is how Capitalism works now. Do you not understand what capitalism is? I think so. It is a system under which you, the descendant of members of an oppressed class, had to foot the oppressor's bill for releasing another group of people it was oppressing. It is a system that produces cap-doffers like you who kneel before members of that class when they tell you that you should be proud of the fact that they screwed you over (yes, I'm talking about Moggy's recent bullshit about being proud of the Empire). |
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