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Post by sandypine on May 17, 2023 8:21:26 GMT
But you aren't the whole point is you are talking about a small amount worked up by interest etc to 'the odd trillion'. You have full blown socialist grievance for which no amount of logic will help. Is it only socialists who find strapping people to cannons a little rude? I'd be surprised if it was only the Left who object to turning thousands of people into junkies so that their country will sell their tea. Which kind of illustrates the point that you select your issues and run with those to the exclusion of any mitigating factor. It is the Nelson Mandela deification principle at work. The necklacing the murders the bombings are ignored all in the view of the greater good. People, Empires and all things are a mixed bag you have to view all in the round. |
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Post by Einhorn on May 17, 2023 8:40:49 GMT
Is it only socialists who find strapping people to cannons a little rude? I'd be surprised if it was only the Left who object to turning thousands of people into junkies so that their country will sell their tea. Which kind of illustrates the point that you select your issues and run with those to the exclusion of any mitigating factor. It is the Nelson Mandela deification principle at work. The necklacing the murders the bombings are ignored all in the view of the greater good. People, Empires and all things are a mixed bag you have to view all in the round. Certainly, you can compare one Empire with another. Some empires will have been less destructive than others. That's not in dispute. But it doesn't make sense to say, as Moggy suggests, that Britain should be proud. If the British Empire was less vicious than the Turkish empire, it seems more appropriate to say that Britain should not feel as ashamed as Turkey, rather than saying Britain should actually be proud. |
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Post by Einhorn on May 17, 2023 8:42:20 GMT
Whoiney, if you want to work up a nice case of hatred, why not focus on the socialists of the 20th Century ie Stalinist Russia and Nazi Germany? Far bigger atrocities there carried out within living memory. Indeed you might even question the right of those states to exist at all, let alone one of them being central in your beloved socialist experiment that is the EU. Far better than wasting your time bleating about the doings of people long dead. I've never claimed that early communism was any better than early capitalism. Both were deeply unpleasant. |
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Post by Einhorn on May 17, 2023 8:46:41 GMT
Whoiney, if you want to work up a nice case of hatred, why not focus on the socialists of the 20th Century ie Stalinist Russia and Nazi Germany? Far bigger atrocities there carried out within living memory. Indeed you might even question the right of those states to exist at all, let alone one of them being central in your beloved socialist experiment that is the EU. Far better than wasting your time bleating about the doings of people long dead. Wait for being told it was those nasty Brits who invented the concentration camps too. You haven't been paying attention. I don't blame the ordinary Brit for the Empire. The ordinary Brit was busy being pressganged, having his limbs mangled in factory machines, being mowed down at marches for democracy, selling herself on the streets, trying to survive in a slum tenement, etc., while all of this was going on. As soon as the ordinary Brit got a vote, the Empire started to fall apart. The ordinary Brit wasn't prepared to tolerate the excesses of Britain's elite, either in respect of himself or others abroad, once he was in a position to do something about it. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 17, 2023 10:33:39 GMT
Quite. That's why the whole slavery schtick is such bollocks: Britain abolished slavery at a time when the whole working class were effectively slaves. Indeed, one could argue that slaves, being property and therefore having a monetary value, were probably better treated than the average person.
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Post by Dan Dare on May 17, 2023 10:40:37 GMT
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Post by Bentley on May 17, 2023 10:40:38 GMT
I totally agree with Darlings point that the ordinary Brit was just as oppressed as the oppressed people of the Empire.
I hold the same views about the North Atlantic slave trade and the attempts of white collective guilt by lefties .
However I’m ever suspicious of leftie mission creep .
Today lefties will demand some trinkets be returned , tomorrow demand land and money be returned, the day after tomorrow they will demand a nationwide levy .
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Post by Einhorn on May 17, 2023 11:11:35 GMT
I totally agree with Darlings point that the ordinary Brit was just as oppressed as the oppressed people of the Empire. I hold the same views about the North Atlantic slave trade and the attempts of white collective guilt by lefties . However I’m ever suspicious of leftie mission creep . Today lefties will demand some trinkets be returned , tomorrow demand land and money be returned, the day after tomorrow they will demand a nationwide levy . Quite a lot of predictions there. Tell me, do you consult an oracle or do you examine pigs' entrails? |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 17, 2023 11:28:19 GMT
I totally agree with Darlings point that the ordinary Brit was just as oppressed as the oppressed people of the Empire. I hold the same views about the North Atlantic slave trade and the attempts of white collective guilt by lefties . However I’m ever suspicious of leftie mission creep . Today lefties will demand some trinkets be returned , tomorrow demand land and money be returned, the day after tomorrow they will demand a nationwide levy . Quite a lot of predictions there. Tell me, do you consult an oracle or do you examine pigs' entrails? Like the rest of us Mr B probably goes by experience, Whoiney. If you weren't simply an academic lawyer, you might even have some of your own. |
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Post by Einhorn on May 17, 2023 11:34:10 GMT
Quite a lot of predictions there. Tell me, do you consult an oracle or do you examine pigs' entrails? Like the rest of us Mr B probably goes by experience, Whoiney. If you weren't simply an academic lawyer, you might even have some of your own. When barristers describe each other as learned (my learned friend), what do you suppose they mean, Squeaky? Barristers are academics themselves. In the common law system, judges make the law based on the arguments of barristers (which are frequently, though not exclusively, based on academic works). In the common law system, academics shape the law. The gap between academia and practice is a good deal narrower in the legal profession than in other professions. By the way, do you expect to stop brooding over the fact that you don't have a law degree any time soon? It's becoming a little tedious. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 17, 2023 11:43:57 GMT
You've more chance of becoming a barista than a barrister, Whoiney.
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Post by Einhorn on May 17, 2023 11:45:35 GMT
You've more chance of becoming a barista than a barrister, Whoiney. Indeed, members of my family have been both. |
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Post by wapentake on May 17, 2023 11:52:41 GMT
Wait for being told it was those nasty Brits who invented the concentration camps too. You haven't been paying attention. I don't blame the ordinary Brit for the Empire. The ordinary Brit was busy being pressganged, having his limbs mangled in factory machines, being mowed down at marches for democracy, selling herself on the streets, trying to survive in a slum tenement, etc., while all of this was going on. As soon as the ordinary Brit got a vote, the Empire started to fall apart. The ordinary Brit wasn't prepared to tolerate the excesses of Britain's elite, either in respect of himself or others abroad, once he was in a position to do something about it. That’s great but I didn’t mention you did I? I am well aware of history thanks  |
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Post by Einhorn on May 17, 2023 11:54:49 GMT
You haven't been paying attention. I don't blame the ordinary Brit for the Empire. The ordinary Brit was busy being pressganged, having his limbs mangled in factory machines, being mowed down at marches for democracy, selling herself on the streets, trying to survive in a slum tenement, etc., while all of this was going on. As soon as the ordinary Brit got a vote, the Empire started to fall apart. The ordinary Brit wasn't prepared to tolerate the excesses of Britain's elite, either in respect of himself or others abroad, once he was in a position to do something about it. That’s great but I didn’t mention you did I? I am well aware of history thanks Given I was the only poster arguing the leftist position, the assumption you were referencing me wasn't entirely unwarranted, Wappy. |
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Post by wapentake on May 17, 2023 12:06:21 GMT
That’s great but I didn’t mention you did I? I am well aware of history thanks Given I was the only poster arguing the leftist position, the assumption you were referencing me wasn't entirely unwarranted, Wappy. Oh I see,so Srb and Sid have turned in to Nazis,OK  |
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