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Post by sandypine on May 16, 2023 19:41:46 GMT
I was speaking with particular reference to the 45tr and its accuracy. The point of course being that if our 'elites' did indeed 'steal' from India and some form of recompense is being sought then the size of that recompense will be relative to the size of the theft so it is singularly important to be accurate. I think anyone would be upset if they had pinched a box of matches from Woollies and then found out they were being accused of stealing a three piece suite, a fridge, a bedside lamp and a book by Barbara Cartland. Who says the ordinary Brit owes India anything? If there is Indian property that can be directly traced, then of course it should go back. But the descendants of oppressed Brits don't the descendants of oppressed Indians anything. Well that is not what the Indian Government is saying the campaign 'reckoning with the past' specifically seeks repatriation of 'stolen' items from the UK. That campaign does not seem to be a closed list and if a vast amount of wealth is shown to have been pilfered then a claim will doubtlessly be pressed. Irrespective of the veracity of that claim. |
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Post by Einhorn on May 16, 2023 19:43:35 GMT
Who says the ordinary Brit owes India anything? If there is Indian property that can be directly traced, then of course it should go back. But the descendants of oppressed Brits don't the descendants of oppressed Indians anything. Well that is not what the Indian Government is saying the campaign 'reckoning with the past' specifically seeks repatriation of 'stolen' items from the UK. That campaign does not seem to be a closed list and if a vast amount of wealth is shown to have been pilfered then a claim will doubtlessly be pressed. Irrespective of the veracity of that claim. Take it up with the Indian Government. I've been consistent in my position that the law of restitution as it is applied between British citizens should be the measure of recovery. |
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Post by sandypine on May 16, 2023 20:00:00 GMT
Well that is not what the Indian Government is saying the campaign 'reckoning with the past' specifically seeks repatriation of 'stolen' items from the UK. That campaign does not seem to be a closed list and if a vast amount of wealth is shown to have been pilfered then a claim will doubtlessly be pressed. Irrespective of the veracity of that claim. Take it up with the Indian Government. I've been consistent in my position that the law of restitution as it is applied between British citizens should be the measure of recovery. Indeed but you used the 45tr figure as a stick to beat everyone up and make your point. It is now in the debate and as such its accuracy should be verified, and there is little doubt it has major questions. Your particular position as regards restitution is irrelevant as it is what teh Indian government seeks that is the issue. |
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Post by Einhorn on May 16, 2023 20:03:01 GMT
Take it up with the Indian Government. I've been consistent in my position that the law of restitution as it is applied between British citizens should be the measure of recovery. Indeed but you used the 45tr figure as a stick to beat everyone up and make your point. It is now in the debate and as such its accuracy should be verified, and there is little doubt it has major questions. Your particular position as regards restitution is irrelevant as it is what teh Indian government seeks that is the issue. Yes, the Indian Government doesn't care what either one of us thinks on the issue, Sandy. No surprises there. I imagine they smell blood post-Brexit. If you want a trade deal, bend over and meet our demands. They probably won't be the last. |
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Post by sandypine on May 16, 2023 20:16:31 GMT
Indeed but you used the 45tr figure as a stick to beat everyone up and make your point. It is now in the debate and as such its accuracy should be verified, and there is little doubt it has major questions. Your particular position as regards restitution is irrelevant as it is what teh Indian government seeks that is the issue. Yes, the Indian Government doesn't care what either one of us thinks on the issue, Sandy. No surprises there. I imagine they smell blood post-Brexit. If you want a trade deal, bend over and meet our demands. They probably won't be the last. Are you still a supporter of the 45 tr. You seem very disparaging of those who said it had been debunked? |
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Post by Einhorn on May 16, 2023 20:19:09 GMT
Yes, the Indian Government doesn't care what either one of us thinks on the issue, Sandy. No surprises there. I imagine they smell blood post-Brexit. If you want a trade deal, bend over and meet our demands. They probably won't be the last. Are you still a supporter of the 45 tr. You seem very disparaging of those who said it had been debunked? If you have evidence that it has been debunked, let's see it. |
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Post by sandypine on May 16, 2023 20:22:27 GMT
Are you still a supporter of the 45 tr. You seem very disparaging of those who said it had been debunked? If you have evidence that it has been debunked, let's see it. I posted a link above that had serious questions on its accuracy. Even I can see some queries as a complete layman on economics. |
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Post by Einhorn on May 16, 2023 20:28:22 GMT
If you have evidence that it has been debunked, let's see it. I posted a link above that had serious questions on its accuracy. Even I can see some queries as a complete layman on economics. When you're talking about a sum like £45 trillion, a trillion here or there doesn't really matter, does it? I vaguely remember something about Indian taxes. What did the Crown use Indian taxes for, Sandy? Do you remember? Did it use them to finance plundering expeditions in other countries? I genuinely don't recall. I'm pretty sure I remember something about very little of it being reinvested in India, though. Don't worry. I'm not suggesting the ordinary Brit should have to repay those taxes. I mean, it's not as if your mill worker in his slum tenement ever saw a penny of it, is it? No, that money will have gone to Moggy's ancestors, probably. Or at least a large chunk of it. Still, you have to admire his balls when he tells Brits to be proud that his ancestors screwed their ancestors. |
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Post by Pacifico on May 16, 2023 21:04:07 GMT
I posted a link above that had serious questions on its accuracy. Even I can see some queries as a complete layman on economics. When you're talking about a sum like £45 trillion, a trillion here or there doesn't really matter, does it? I vaguely remember something about Indian taxes. What did the Crown use Indian taxes for, Sandy? Do you remember? Did it use them to finance plundering expeditions in other countries? I genuinely don't recall. I'm pretty sure I remember something about very little of it being reinvested in India, though. Don't worry. I'm not suggesting the ordinary Brit should have to repay those taxes. I mean, it's not as if your mill worker in his slum tenement ever saw a penny of it, is it? No, that money will have gone to Moggy's ancestors, probably. Or at least a large chunk of it. Still, you have to admire his balls when he tells Brits to be proud that his ancestors screwed their ancestors. How do you think that roads, railways and other infrastructure get built? I suppose you think the EU paid for this place..   |
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Post by sandypine on May 16, 2023 22:07:28 GMT
I posted a link above that had serious questions on its accuracy. Even I can see some queries as a complete layman on economics. When you're talking about a sum like £45 trillion, a trillion here or there doesn't really matter, does it? I vaguely remember something about Indian taxes. What did the Crown use Indian taxes for, Sandy? Do you remember? Did it use them to finance plundering expeditions in other countries? I genuinely don't recall. I'm pretty sure I remember something about very little of it being reinvested in India, though. Don't worry. I'm not suggesting the ordinary Brit should have to repay those taxes. I mean, it's not as if your mill worker in his slum tenement ever saw a penny of it, is it? No, that money will have gone to Moggy's ancestors, probably. Or at least a large chunk of it. Still, you have to admire his balls when he tells Brits to be proud that his ancestors screwed their ancestors. But you aren't the whole point is you are talking about a small amount worked up by interest etc to 'the odd trillion'. You have full blown socialist grievance for which no amount of logic will help. |
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Post by Einhorn on May 16, 2023 22:53:03 GMT
When you're talking about a sum like £45 trillion, a trillion here or there doesn't really matter, does it? I vaguely remember something about Indian taxes. What did the Crown use Indian taxes for, Sandy? Do you remember? Did it use them to finance plundering expeditions in other countries? I genuinely don't recall. I'm pretty sure I remember something about very little of it being reinvested in India, though. Don't worry. I'm not suggesting the ordinary Brit should have to repay those taxes. I mean, it's not as if your mill worker in his slum tenement ever saw a penny of it, is it? No, that money will have gone to Moggy's ancestors, probably. Or at least a large chunk of it. Still, you have to admire his balls when he tells Brits to be proud that his ancestors screwed their ancestors. How do you think that roads, railways and other infrastructure get built? I suppose you think the EU paid for this place.. I thought the Empire fairy magicked it up and then invoiced the country for £45 trillion. No? |
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Post by Einhorn on May 16, 2023 22:53:58 GMT
When you're talking about a sum like £45 trillion, a trillion here or there doesn't really matter, does it? I vaguely remember something about Indian taxes. What did the Crown use Indian taxes for, Sandy? Do you remember? Did it use them to finance plundering expeditions in other countries? I genuinely don't recall. I'm pretty sure I remember something about very little of it being reinvested in India, though. Don't worry. I'm not suggesting the ordinary Brit should have to repay those taxes. I mean, it's not as if your mill worker in his slum tenement ever saw a penny of it, is it? No, that money will have gone to Moggy's ancestors, probably. Or at least a large chunk of it. Still, you have to admire his balls when he tells Brits to be proud that his ancestors screwed their ancestors. But you aren't the whole point is you are talking about a small amount worked up by interest etc to 'the odd trillion'. You have full blown socialist grievance for which no amount of logic will help. Is it only socialists who find strapping people to cannons a little rude? I'd be surprised if it was only the Left who object to turning thousands of people into junkies so that their country will sell their tea. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 17, 2023 4:43:44 GMT
Whoiney, if you want to work up a nice case of hatred, why not focus on the socialists of the 20th Century ie Stalinist Russia and Nazi Germany? Far bigger atrocities there carried out within living memory. Indeed you might even question the right of those states to exist at all, let alone one of them being central in your beloved socialist experiment that is the EU.
Far better than wasting your time bleating about the doings of people long dead.
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Post by wapentake on May 17, 2023 4:52:56 GMT
Whoiney, if you want to work up a nice case of hatred, why not focus on the socialists of the 20th Century ie Stalinist Russia and Nazi Germany? Far bigger atrocities there carried out within living memory. Indeed you might even question the right of those states to exist at all, let alone one of them being central in your beloved socialist experiment that is the EU. Far better than wasting your time bleating about the doings of people long dead. Wait for being told it was those nasty Brits who invented the concentration camps too. |
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Post by Pacifico on May 17, 2023 6:37:59 GMT
How do you think that roads, railways and other infrastructure get built? I suppose you think the EU paid for this place.. I thought the Empire fairy magicked it up and then invoiced the country for £45 trillion. No? See that where you went wrong - you tried to think.. |
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