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Post by Einhorn on May 16, 2023 17:27:32 GMT
A paradise for whom? If Brits were being treated like shit at home, it's hard to believe that the government of the time cared about the average Indian. But there was progress as Western Civilisation was introduced. You seem to want everything to change overnight but the real world does not work like that. Progress? You mean the draining of £45 trillion from India? Progress might have been helping them to build their economy, teach them about disease prevention, and how to increase crop yield. You know, the sort of thing international organisations do today without strapping people to cannons and plundering all their wealth. |
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Post by Pacifico on May 16, 2023 17:33:57 GMT
But there was progress as Western Civilisation was introduced. You seem to want everything to change overnight but the real world does not work like that. Progress? You mean the draining of £45 trillion from India? Progress might have been helping them to build their economy, teach them about disease prevention, and how to increase crop yield. You know, the sort of thing international organisations do today without strapping people to cannons and plundering all their wealth. LOL - the £45 trillion claim has been debunked so many times I'm surprised you have the cheek to use it.  |
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Post by sandypine on May 16, 2023 17:34:03 GMT
But there was progress as Western Civilisation was introduced. You seem to want everything to change overnight but the real world does not work like that. Progress? You mean the draining of £45 trillion from India? Progress might have been helping them to build their economy, teach them about disease prevention, and how to increase crop yield. You know, the sort of thing international organisations do today without strapping people to cannons and plundering all their wealth. That 45 trillion is a very questionable figure and produced surprisingly enough by an Indian economist. There are many inconsistencies in the methodology used to arrive at the figure. |
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Post by Einhorn on May 16, 2023 17:34:30 GMT
Progress? You mean the draining of £45 trillion from India? Progress might have been helping them to build their economy, teach them about disease prevention, and how to increase crop yield. You know, the sort of thing international organisations do today without strapping people to cannons and plundering all their wealth. LOL - the £45 trillion claim has been debunked so many times I'm surprised you have the cheek to use it. Has it? Where and by whom? |
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Post by Einhorn on May 16, 2023 17:35:13 GMT
Progress? You mean the draining of £45 trillion from India? Progress might have been helping them to build their economy, teach them about disease prevention, and how to increase crop yield. You know, the sort of thing international organisations do today without strapping people to cannons and plundering all their wealth. That 45 trillion is a very questionable figure and produced surprisingly enough by an Indian economist. There are many inconsistencies in the methodology used to arrive at the figure. Produced by an Indian economist and denied by a gammon. It's an unpredictable world, Sandy. |
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Post by sheepy on May 16, 2023 17:36:53 GMT
Darling has been catching up on some history, not such a pretty picture for all those Britons who were living the life of Reilly on the profits of slavery, which always makes me smile.
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Post by Einhorn on May 16, 2023 17:38:10 GMT
Darling has been catching up on some history, not such a pretty picture for all those Britons who were living the life of Reilly on the profits of slavery, which always makes me smile. Good man, Sheepy. |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2023 19:03:39 GMT
No it is naive to believe that the only reason good things happened was because it was an advantage to 'the elite' in some direct or indirect way. Life and the universe is far more complicated than your simple take on cause and effect. If helping the poor and needy was at the front of the government's mind, more than a million of its citizens wouldn't have died from starvation. It's 2.5 million a year now they are fully autonomous. www.youthkiawaaz.com/2022/07/hunger-societys-worst-enemy/Maybe their government do not have helping the poor and needy in mind, either. |
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Post by Einhorn on May 16, 2023 19:12:19 GMT
If helping the poor and needy was at the front of the government's mind, more than a million of its citizens wouldn't have died from starvation. It's 2.5 million a year now they are fully autonomous. www.youthkiawaaz.com/2022/07/hunger-societys-worst-enemy/Maybe their government do not have helping the poor and needy in mind, either. Pray for them, Ned. You never know, God might send them some cannons to strap their citizens to. |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2023 19:16:21 GMT
^^ Pure trolling, as expected.
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Post by sandypine on May 16, 2023 19:20:16 GMT
That 45 trillion is a very questionable figure and produced surprisingly enough by an Indian economist. There are many inconsistencies in the methodology used to arrive at the figure. Produced by an Indian economist and denied by a gammon. It's an unpredictable world, Sandy. No it is becoming ever more predictable. Make a statement that gels with one's own view and then run with that irrespective of any cogent argument to the contrary. I have not gone through the figures but I have given this at least a once over and it is critical. www.timworstall.com/2021/10/george-monbiots-claim-of-the-45-trillion-theft-from-india/There is little doubt the UK made a profit from India certainly in the 19th century but trade and profit are entirely different from theft. |
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Post by Einhorn on May 16, 2023 19:22:27 GMT
^^ Pure trolling, as expected. What did you expect in a place of sin and worldliness like this, Neddy? |
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Post by Einhorn on May 16, 2023 19:23:40 GMT
Produced by an Indian economist and denied by a gammon. It's an unpredictable world, Sandy. No it is becoming ever more predictable. Make a statement that gels with one's own view and then run with that irrespective of any cogent argument to the contrary. I have not gone through the figures but I have given this at least a once over and it is critical. www.timworstall.com/2021/10/george-monbiots-claim-of-the-45-trillion-theft-from-india/There is little doubt the UK made a profit from India certainly in the 19th century but trade and profit are entirely different from theft. There aren't any cogent arguments to the contrary. The British people were oppressed by an elite, and that elite then exported their oppression abroad. That's it! Sorry it isn't a more compelling story, Sandy. |
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Post by sandypine on May 16, 2023 19:32:44 GMT
No it is becoming ever more predictable. Make a statement that gels with one's own view and then run with that irrespective of any cogent argument to the contrary. I have not gone through the figures but I have given this at least a once over and it is critical. www.timworstall.com/2021/10/george-monbiots-claim-of-the-45-trillion-theft-from-india/There is little doubt the UK made a profit from India certainly in the 19th century but trade and profit are entirely different from theft. There aren't any cogent arguments to the contrary. The British people were oppressed by an elite, and that elite then exported their oppression abroad. That's it! Sorry it isn't a more compelling story, Sandy. I was speaking with particular reference to the 45tr and its accuracy. The point of course being that if our 'elites' did indeed 'steal' from India and some form of recompense is being sought then the size of that recompense will be relative to the size of the theft so it is singularly important to be accurate. I think anyone would be upset if they had pinched a box of matches from Woollies and then found out they were being accused of stealing a three piece suite, a fridge, a bedside lamp and a book by Barbara Cartland. |
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Post by Einhorn on May 16, 2023 19:35:03 GMT
There aren't any cogent arguments to the contrary. The British people were oppressed by an elite, and that elite then exported their oppression abroad. That's it! Sorry it isn't a more compelling story, Sandy. I was speaking with particular reference to the 45tr and its accuracy. The point of course being that if our 'elites' did indeed 'steal' from India and some form of recompense is being sought then the size of that recompense will be relative to the size of the theft so it is singularly important to be accurate. I think anyone would be upset if they had pinched a box of matches from Woollies and then found out they were being accused of stealing a three piece suite, a fridge, a bedside lamp and a book by Barbara Cartland. Who says the ordinary Brit owes India anything? If there is Indian property that can be directly traced, then of course it should go back. But the descendants of oppressed Brits don't the descendants of oppressed Indians anything. |
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