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Post by sandypine on May 16, 2023 14:25:20 GMT
Only by comparison with what we have now. By comparison with what went before it was an improving picture for most but still with many problems. Take New Lanark by the early 1800s, most workers had their own small house and were well fed and looked after in terms of welfare and health. The price to pay of course was that the boss effectively ruled their lives in the name of improvement. The Elite, like the Empire were liberal in their cause in that the took control of the lower classes and foreign civilisations for their own good. Not the way we think now but doing good for the wrong reasons is still doing good. For crying out loud! When was Waterloo fought? Do you know how Wellington described the men who died for him at Waterloo? He called them 'the very scum of the earth'. That's what British people were to the elite of that time. Nothing more than cannon fodder. Peterloo wasn't long after. When people peacefully protesting for democratic rights were killed by gammons-in-waiting on horseback, arseholes who didn't think twice about killing their own people if a flag was waved under their nose. Well ignoring t context of that comment there is also the full quote as regards what fine fellows we made of them, which ties in with what I said that the Empire and the elite were liberal in their views and wanted to improve. That does not mean all of them. It is a complex viewpoint that you're trying to distill out the raw spirit which is poisonous. "Killing their own people" is not a pastime restricted to any one country, any one group, any one race or any one ethnicity. |
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Post by Einhorn on May 16, 2023 14:54:23 GMT
Shouldn't you be locking innocent people up, Squeaky? Who wouldn't have faith in a police force that accepts people like you into its ranks. What are you dribbling on about now, my little paper lawyer?
Oh and congrats on your new job btw.  Still brooding about the fact that you don't have a law degree, Squeaky? You work in prosecution, right? You must be surrounded by people with a law degree. I should think someone working in prosecution who doesn't have a law degree is at the very bottom of the pile. Good thing you've got the Left to look out for your rights, eh? |
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Post by Einhorn on May 16, 2023 14:59:17 GMT
For crying out loud! When was Waterloo fought? Do you know how Wellington described the men who died for him at Waterloo? He called them 'the very scum of the earth'. That's what British people were to the elite of that time. Nothing more than cannon fodder. Peterloo wasn't long after. When people peacefully protesting for democratic rights were killed by gammons-in-waiting on horseback, arseholes who didn't think twice about killing their own people if a flag was waved under their nose. Well ignoring t context of that comment there is also the full quote as regards what fine fellows we made of them, which ties in with what I said that the Empire and the elite were liberal in their views and wanted to improve. That does not mean all of them. It is a complex viewpoint that you're trying to distill out the raw spirit which is poisonous. "Killing their own people" is not a pastime restricted to any one country, any one group, any one race or any one ethnicity. You appear to be suggesting that the Empire was a charitable endeavour. It clearly wasn't. Anyway, they say charity begins at home. Maybe, it would have been a good idea for the UK's philanthropic elite to make some sort of effort to lift their own people out of the mire before they set to work on the rest of the world. It's interesting that you think turning large swathes of the Chinese people into junkies, strapping Indians to cannons and blowing them to pieces, and plundering nations of their wealth were charitable endeavours. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 16, 2023 15:36:29 GMT
Well ignoring t context of that comment there is also the full quote as regards what fine fellows we made of them, which ties in with what I said that the Empire and the elite were liberal in their views and wanted to improve. That does not mean all of them. It is a complex viewpoint that you're trying to distill out the raw spirit which is poisonous. "Killing their own people" is not a pastime restricted to any one country, any one group, any one race or any one ethnicity. You appear to be suggesting that the Empire was a charitable endeavour. It clearly wasn't. Anyway, they say charity begins at home. Maybe, it would have been a good idea for the UK's philanthropic elite to make some sort of effort to lift their own people out of the mire before they set to work on the rest of the world. It's interesting that you think turning large swathes of the Chinese people into junkies, strapping Indians to cannons and blowing them to pieces, and plundering nations of their wealth were charitable endeavours.
Whoiney, none of us were alive then. Stop living in the past, move on.
Loving your new look, btw. However did you get the modelling contract? I take it you supplied your own clothes?
Must've been popular with your students, Prof Whoiney.
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Post by Einhorn on May 16, 2023 15:52:47 GMT
You appear to be suggesting that the Empire was a charitable endeavour. It clearly wasn't. Anyway, they say charity begins at home. Maybe, it would have been a good idea for the UK's philanthropic elite to make some sort of effort to lift their own people out of the mire before they set to work on the rest of the world. It's interesting that you think turning large swathes of the Chinese people into junkies, strapping Indians to cannons and blowing them to pieces, and plundering nations of their wealth were charitable endeavours.
Whoiney, none of us were alive then. Stop living in the past, move on.
Loving your new look, btw. However did you get the modelling contract? I take it you supplied your own clothes?
Must've been popular with your students, Prof Whoiney.
At least, it's not another selfie of you in your French maid's outfit, Squeaky.  |
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Post by Einhorn on May 16, 2023 15:56:21 GMT
Whoiney, none of us were alive then. Stop living in the past, move on.
Tell Moggy that, Squeaky. He wants to celebrate the slum tenements, the workhouses, and impressment. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 16, 2023 16:33:51 GMT
Whoiney, none of us were alive then. Stop living in the past, move on.
Tell Moggy that, Squeaky. He wants to celebrate the slum tenements, the workhouses, and impressment. Oh come on, Prof Whoiney don't sulk. It's nearly time for your special day...
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Post by Einhorn on May 16, 2023 16:38:14 GMT
Tell Moggy that, Squeaky. He wants to celebrate the slum tenements, the workhouses, and impressment. Oh come on, Prof Whoiney don't sulk. It's nearly time for your special day...
It's funny because it's completely random. You have a gift, Squeaky. Now, let's have one about my webbed feet. Or, you could just use the first meme you come across, as with the above. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 16, 2023 16:40:25 GMT
Okay then, Monte says "Hi".
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Post by Red Rackham on May 16, 2023 16:46:59 GMT
Hahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa superb oh man, ffs 'Not all gingers stink of piss' hahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa honestly I'm belly laughing, oh my aching sides. |
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Post by Einhorn on May 16, 2023 16:46:59 GMT
Okay then, Monte says "Hi".
Been touching yourself while watching the Teletubbies again, Squeaky? |
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Post by sandypine on May 16, 2023 17:15:13 GMT
Well ignoring t context of that comment there is also the full quote as regards what fine fellows we made of them, which ties in with what I said that the Empire and the elite were liberal in their views and wanted to improve. That does not mean all of them. It is a complex viewpoint that you're trying to distill out the raw spirit which is poisonous. "Killing their own people" is not a pastime restricted to any one country, any one group, any one race or any one ethnicity. You appear to be suggesting that the Empire was a charitable endeavour. It clearly wasn't. Anyway, they say charity begins at home. Maybe, it would have been a good idea for the UK's philanthropic elite to make some sort of effort to lift their own people out of the mire before they set to work on the rest of the world. It's interesting that you think turning large swathes of the Chinese people into junkies, strapping Indians to cannons and blowing them to pieces, and plundering nations of their wealth were charitable endeavours. |
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Post by Pacifico on May 16, 2023 17:18:00 GMT
Progress is all that matters - you cannot create a paradise overnight. A paradise for whom? If Brits were being treated like shit at home, it's hard to believe that the government of the time cared about the average Indian. But there was progress as Western Civilisation was introduced. You seem to want everything to change overnight but the real world does not work like that. |
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Post by sandypine on May 16, 2023 17:22:24 GMT
Well ignoring t context of that comment there is also the full quote as regards what fine fellows we made of them, which ties in with what I said that the Empire and the elite were liberal in their views and wanted to improve. That does not mean all of them. It is a complex viewpoint that you're trying to distill out the raw spirit which is poisonous. "Killing their own people" is not a pastime restricted to any one country, any one group, any one race or any one ethnicity. You appear to be suggesting that the Empire was a charitable endeavour. It clearly wasn't. Anyway, they say charity begins at home. Maybe, it would have been a good idea for the UK's philanthropic elite to make some sort of effort to lift their own people out of the mire before they set to work on the rest of the world. It's interesting that you think turning large swathes of the Chinese people into junkies, strapping Indians to cannons and blowing them to pieces, and plundering nations of their wealth were charitable endeavours. I am saying that the Empire was a complex entity that defies your attempts to turn it into a thing of pure evil. Livingstone did not go out to steal from the natives just as many went out to make their fortune. Turning large swathes of the Chinese people was not its finest hour but then saving over 1 million widows from being burnt alive and hundreds of thousands of travellers being strangled tips the scales in the other direction. We are back to 'plundering' as the operative word instead of trade. You lack balance. |
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Post by Einhorn on May 16, 2023 17:24:55 GMT
You appear to be suggesting that the Empire was a charitable endeavour. It clearly wasn't. Anyway, they say charity begins at home. Maybe, it would have been a good idea for the UK's philanthropic elite to make some sort of effort to lift their own people out of the mire before they set to work on the rest of the world. It's interesting that you think turning large swathes of the Chinese people into junkies, strapping Indians to cannons and blowing them to pieces, and plundering nations of their wealth were charitable endeavours. I am saying that the Empire was a complex entity that defies your attempts to turn it into a thing of pure evil. Livingstone did not go out to steal from the natives just as many went out to make their fortune. Turning large swathes of the Chinese people was not its finest hour but then saving over 1 million widows from being burnt alive and hundreds of thousands of travellers being strangled tips the scales in the other direction. We are back to 'plundering' as the operative word instead of trade. You lack balance. And the Nazis introduced the most stringent animal cruelty laws the world had ever seen. So, yes, it would seem that even the worst regimes have some saving graces. Doesn't mean they weren't c*nts, though. |
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