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Post by Toreador on May 14, 2023 12:03:49 GMT
My argument hasn't moved anywhere. A fool made the contention that the male-female sex binary was somehow a matter of arbitrary tradition or culture. I'm just pointing out that this binary is in reality a functional fact - similar to the fact that an eye is an organ whose function is to allow an organism to detect light. Assuming you think sex is an organism to produce babies. That is exactly what it is, the orgasm is an added benefit.
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Post by Orac on May 14, 2023 12:06:47 GMT
My argument hasn't moved anywhere. A fool made the contention that the male-female sex binary was somehow a matter of arbitrary tradition or culture. I'm just pointing out that this binary is in reality a functional fact - similar to the fact that an eye is an organ whose function is to allow an organism to detect light. Assuming you think sex is an organism to produce babies. Your potential Nobel prize now casts a long shadow over the conversation What is the other biological function you have identified?
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Post by colbops on May 14, 2023 13:05:12 GMT
Assuming you think sex is an organism to produce babies. Your potential Nobel prize now casts a long shadow over the conversation What is the other biological function you have identified? Does it involve pee-pee and poo-poo?
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2023 13:48:44 GMT
Assuming you think sex is an organism to produce babies. Your potential Nobel prize now casts a long shadow over the conversation What is the other biological function you have identified? As a biological function sex exists for the purposes of procreation of course. We are all familiar with the basic mechanics of penis in vagina and need be no more graphic than that. In order to encourage all living species to procreate in this way, it has evolved as something we increasingly desire the longer we go without it and as something inherently pleasurable when we do it. Though this tends to diminish in later years and eventually in old age many of us will lose interest altogether. So biologically the purpose of sex is penis in vagina to make babies. It has evolved to be pleasurable so that we want to do it fairly often especially in our most fertile years. But in the case of humanity, we have also evolved intelligence and powerful imaginations so that we have come up with more ways to enjoy sexual pleasure beyond the mere procreative act, ranging from masturbation, oral sex and anal sex to fetishes of various kinds. Not to mention some people seeking pleasure in threesomes, foursomes, or even moresomes. And even the procreative act itself is often done purely for pleasure, with contraceptives employed to make sure procreation doesnt take place. This makes the intercourse entirely pointless from a biological perspective, indulged in purely for pleasure. In effect, our imaginations have perverted many of us into interests that go beyond mere procreative intercourse. This can become a real problem in some cases when the interests someone develops becomes something like paedophilia, for example. But the innate problem is that human imagination has turned sex entirely into a source of pleasure with procreation mostly held in check until people want kids. Humans might well be unique in the way we interact sexually. No other animal exhibits the range of practices and perversions known to man. For other species, little if any imagination seems to be in evidence and it is mostly limited to the procreative act. And it seems likely that none of them are even aware of the connection between intercourse, and the subsequent birthing of new borns. It is just something they do by instinct and because they experience pleasure when they do it. Some of them can also experience powerful sex drives, as anyone who has ever owned a dog in heat will have seen. But it seems to be entirely biological. It is our imagination and its application to sexual pleasure that sets us apart but also creates many social and societal problems. Ie when people develop sexual interests that are harmful to others, the most extreme example of which are probably sexually predatory serial killers. And it must always be a bit of a freak out if your partner suddenly asks if you want to do such and such a perverted act with them, lol
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Post by zanygame on May 14, 2023 15:18:16 GMT
There is nothing on this planet that could make me want to have sex with men. What kind of conditioning are you thinking of? Maybe the sort that was used for years to try and convert Gay men back to "Normal" Perhaps Electric shock therapy of psychiatric drugs or good old beatings. you are old enough to have seen it in practice, how did it go? |I may be old enough but I never saw it in practice other than an aunt of mine who looked, dressed like like one, lived with an ex-married woman for life and I could trace that to her upbringing; where do you think the tern "Mummy's boy" came from? That's quite interesting, how much awareness there was back in your day. Was there much acceptance among the general public? I would say mummies boy was a description of a male child who was somewhat effeminate, like tom boy the opposite in a girl, neither term actually referring to how someone might turn out sexually.
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Post by zanygame on May 14, 2023 15:19:27 GMT
Assuming you think sex is an organism to produce babies. Your potential Nobel prize now casts a long shadow over the conversation What is the other biological function you have identified? Sorry, where did I say sex was just a biological function
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Post by Orac on May 14, 2023 15:47:58 GMT
Your potential Nobel prize now casts a long shadow over the conversation What is the other biological function you have identified? Sorry, where did I say sex was just a biological function Could you give some examples of what you feel is non biological sex? (rhetorical) We are getting hopelessly tangled here. My statement is simple and trvialy true - The notion of a sexual binary (male vs female) is not an arbitrary standard contrived by tradition, it is a fact of biology that our culture recognizes /observes.
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Post by Toreador on May 14, 2023 15:51:46 GMT
|I may be old enough but I never saw it in practice other than an aunt of mine who looked, dressed like like one, lived with an ex-married woman for life and I could trace that to her upbringing; where do you think the tern "Mummy's boy" came from? That's quite interesting, how much awareness there was back in your day. Was there much acceptance among the general public? I would say mummies boy was a description of a male child who was somewhat effeminate, like tom boy the opposite in a girl, neither term actually referring to how someone might turn out sexually. We all knew what a homo was and a mummies boy was raised in a way that made him effeminate. Perhaps today, there are so many single mother children.
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Post by zanygame on May 14, 2023 16:18:45 GMT
Sorry, where did I say sex was just a biological function Could you give some examples of what you feel is non biological sex? (rhetorical) We are getting hopelessly tangled here. My statement is simple and trvialy true - The notion of a sexual binary (male vs female) is not an arbitrary standard contrived by tradition, it is a fact of biology that our culture recognizes /observes.So what is this whole conversation about then, is it purely what is the biological function of sexual organs? I suspect not. As far as I was concerned it was about how we define our sexuality. Otherwise why were people talking about swimming pools and all girl schools.
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Post by Orac on May 14, 2023 21:15:22 GMT
Could you give some examples of what you feel is non biological sex? (rhetorical) We are getting hopelessly tangled here. My statement is simple and trvialy true - The notion of a sexual binary (male vs female) is not an arbitrary standard contrived by tradition, it is a fact of biology that our culture recognizes /observes.So what is this whole conversation about then, is it purely what is the biological function of sexual organs? I suspect not. As far as I was concerned it was about how we define our sexuality. Otherwise why were people talking about swimming pools and all girl schools. I feel like i have said this before..but - Earlier in the thread someone suggested that the binary notion of sex was an arbitrary cultural construct and I have simply pointed out that it isn't arbitrary at all - it is based in reality.
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Post by johnofgwent on May 14, 2023 21:35:42 GMT
Sheepy, rather posting a link, give us a bit of info, a tempter, then post the link. You choose which bit of an item you wish to post, but give your audience something For instance... ...Those prize numpties at the Bank of England, who were asleep at the wheel during the pandemic, printing money and allowing inflation to get out of control, have now admitted they've got their predictions for the British economy completely wrong, changing their forecasts of a year-long recession, to the biggest growth upgrade in history. Is a bit more interesting and likely to catch more people attention than... ... www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/it-s-time-to-bin-the-boffins-we-d-be-far-better-off-with-idiots-in-charge-says-mark-dolan/ar-AA1b7jZE?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=54c0d3d324134639898634c947d4906b&ei=9I am not their mother, they can read it for themselves Red, as for peaking their interest I couldn't give a flying one. They can pick their own bits of interest as you did. Actually i can’t. Your link invites me to fill my phone with their app or fuck off. I choose to fuck off. On behalf of the 142 and above club i wish to protest this unwarranted attack on the intelligent. But grandad was a member of the 156 and above club and they really are a bunch of people unfafe to babysit your kids. I’ve got drunk with several of them. Nightmare
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Post by johnofgwent on May 14, 2023 21:38:05 GMT
Your potential Nobel prize now casts a long shadow over the conversation What is the other biological function you have identified? As a biological function sex exists for the purposes of procreation of course. We are all familiar with the basic mechanics of penis in vagina and need be no more graphic than that. In order to encourage all living species to procreate in this way, it has evolved as something we increasingly desire the longer we go without it and as something inherently pleasurable when we do it. Though this tends to diminish in later years and eventually in old age many of us will lose interest altogether. So biologically the purpose of sex is penis in vagina to make babies. It has evolved to be pleasurable so that we want to do it fairly often especially in our most fertile years. But in the case of humanity, we have also evolved intelligence and powerful imaginations so that we have come up with more ways to enjoy sexual pleasure beyond the mere procreative act, ranging from masturbation, oral sex and anal sex to fetishes of various kinds. Not to mention some people seeking pleasure in threesomes, foursomes, or even moresomes. And even the procreative act itself is often done purely for pleasure, with contraceptives employed to make sure procreation doesnt take place. This makes the intercourse entirely pointless from a biological perspective, indulged in purely for pleasure. In effect, our imaginations have perverted many of us into interests that go beyond mere procreative intercourse. This can become a real problem in some cases when the interests someone develops becomes something like paedophilia, for example. But the innate problem is that human imagination has turned sex entirely into a source of pleasure with procreation mostly held in check until people want kids. Humans might well be unique in the way we interact sexually. No other animal exhibits the range of practices and perversions known to man. For other species, little if any imagination seems to be in evidence and it is mostly limited to the procreative act. And it seems likely that none of them are even aware of the connection between intercourse, and the subsequent birthing of new borns. It is just something they do by instinct and because they experience pleasure when they do it. Some of them can also experience powerful sex drives, as anyone who has ever owned a dog in heat will have seen. But it seems to be entirely biological. It is our imagination and its application to sexual pleasure that sets us apart but also creates many social and societal problems. Ie when people develop sexual interests that are harmful to others, the most extreme example of which are probably sexually predatory serial killers. And it must always be a bit of a freak out if your partner suddenly asks if you want to do such and such a perverted act with them, lol you do realise chimpanzees are quite inventive ? I’ll say no more than that.
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Post by Bentley on May 14, 2023 21:54:20 GMT
A biological man cannot be defined as a biological woman because a biological man thinks he is a biological woman . How has stating a fact become a problem? Lefties try all sorts of mental gymnastics , insults and general fuckwittery to evade a simple truth . Once we all agree with the bleeding obvious then we can find a way to facilitate vulnerable people who believe they are something that they plainly are not .
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Post by Orac on May 14, 2023 21:55:57 GMT
How has stating a fact become a problem? That is a far more interesting question / issue.
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Post by Bentley on May 14, 2023 22:02:49 GMT
How has stating a fact become a problem? That is a far more interesting question / issue. This has always been a problem with totalitarian and theocracies. North Koreans must believe that Kim il jong is a superman because it is heresy not to. The Catholic Church burned people who wanted the Bible to be available for scrutiny to the masses ( who could read ). Forcing dogma on the masses is not new . We just have new zealots forcing the dogma of their new cult on the masses .
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