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Post by wapentake on May 7, 2023 21:41:59 GMT
Irrelevant they’d not hear it and the main plank of your argument was that the noise of a rape alarm would spook the horses which is clearly nonsense. As I said at the beginning of the thread a lame excuse to cover a cock up or are you telling me senior officers didn’t know it was going to be so noisy you’d struggle to hear a rape alarm or the odd bod shouting not my king wouldn’t be heard either that the horses are trained for a noisy crowd anyway so the whole attempt to cover up is pathetic. Sorry mate but that is a load of old waffle. If these rape alarms were not going to cause a disturbance then why had then out? - the whole point was to cause disruption and publicise their cause. Why hand them out? Didn’t you see the post the night star volunteers who are allied to Westminster city council and work on the streets at night and liaise with the Met at night assisting the inebriated,vulnerable and befuddled and hand out the rape alarms and do this all year round. The waffle is from senior met officers who have come up with this lame excuse to cover a cockup. Here is a statement www.westminster.gov.uk/news/statement-night-stars-volunteersThese volunteers are there to help not engage in protests and this work happens in many cities across the UK year round. If you believe the crap cover up senior met officers have come up with you’re easily fooled. |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2023 22:42:16 GMT
...You cannot run a society on a "we believe you will, therefore you will" attitude. Will the police now arrest football fans going to a game because they are too noisy and are carrying banners because they might start fighting, getting drunk, breaking windows? No... That's exactly how powers of arrest work, Wonky. Arrest on suspicion... Sheesh, you really don't know anything about anything do you? ABSOLUTELLY NOT - you cannot and must never arrest people because "they might commit an offence" You state utter bull shit - and we do not live in North Korea or Russia. |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2023 4:46:57 GMT
Why are the right wingers in here supporting the removal of their rights?😂 Who has the most rights - those wanting to disrupt the proceedings or those who were wishing to enjoy the spectacle? You don't get it do you, the simple answer is everyone unless you believe in an unequal society based on your 'loyalty' to the establishment. |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2023 4:50:46 GMT
I think the police were right to remove the protestors against the King. If they apply they can have their protest at a future time at Trafalgar square instead of taking a cheap swipe at the Monarchy on a special day. I am not even a monarchist yet like our culture to be protected. Protesting is part of our 'culture' but you appear 'happy' that that right is not protected. The 'establishment may have shot themselves in the foot with this one, the protests are getting much more coverage now than they would have had the police not been so draconian. |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2023 4:52:18 GMT
Irrelevant they’d not hear it and the main plank of your argument was that the noise of a rape alarm would spook the horses which is clearly nonsense. As I said at the beginning of the thread a lame excuse to cover a cock up or are you telling me senior officers didn’t know it was going to be so noisy you’d struggle to hear a rape alarm or the odd bod shouting not my king wouldn’t be heard either that the horses are trained for a noisy crowd anyway so the whole attempt to cover up is pathetic. Sorry mate but that is a load of old waffle. If these rape alarms were not going to cause a disturbance then why had then out? - the whole point was to cause disruption and publicise their cause. They were not used.😔 |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 8, 2023 6:14:50 GMT
ABSOLUTELLY NOT - you cannot and must never arrest people because "they might commit an offence" You state utter bull shit - and we do not live in North Korea or Russia. So usual, the bullshitter is you. Seriously, do you lefties not know anything? |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2023 6:17:46 GMT
ABSOLUTELLY NOT - you cannot and must never arrest people because "they might commit an offence" You state utter bull shit - and we do not live in North Korea or Russia. So usual, the bullshitter is you. Seriously, do you lefties not know anything? The law now allows a police officer, for example, to stop a single woman and search her without cause or suspicion that a crime is about to be committed.😒 |
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Post by Pacifico on May 8, 2023 6:38:41 GMT
Who has the most rights - those wanting to disrupt the proceedings or those who were wishing to enjoy the spectacle? You don't get it do you, the simple answer is everyone unless you believe in an unequal society based on your 'loyalty' to the establishment. But if you have 2 groups whose desires are diametrically opposed then they both cannot have the right to do what they wish. If you grant rights to one section of society you remove rights from another. |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2023 7:03:18 GMT
You don't get it do you, the simple answer is everyone unless you believe in an unequal society based on your 'loyalty' to the establishment. But if you have 2 groups whose desires are diametrically opposed then they both cannot have the right to do what they wish. If you grant rights to one section of society you remove rights from another. What group does the woman, alone in the car belong to? You have the group that wants to protest having their rights removed, got that. Who are the other group that are having their rights removed? |
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Post by Pacifico on May 8, 2023 7:11:24 GMT
But if you have 2 groups whose desires are diametrically opposed then they both cannot have the right to do what they wish. If you grant rights to one section of society you remove rights from another. What group does the woman, alone in the car belong to? You have the group that wants to protest having their rights removed, got that. Who are the other group that are having their rights removed? The group that want to enjoy the spectacle - I already said that. Or dont people have a right to freely go about their lives without disruption from protestors? |
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Post by see2 on May 8, 2023 7:16:53 GMT
I think the police were right to remove the protestors against the King. If they apply they can have their protest at a future time at Trafalgar square instead of taking a cheap swipe at the Monarchy on a special day. I am not even a monarchist yet like our culture to be protected. Protesting is part of our 'culture' but you appear 'happy' that that right is not protected. The 'establishment may have shot themselves in the foot with this one, the protests are getting much more coverage now than they would have had the police not been so draconian. Protesting is part of our culture and so is respect. The agitators showed disrespect in buckets full, proving just what a bunch of idiotic, minority of whingers wanting things their own way, they are. |
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Post by johnofgwent on May 8, 2023 7:23:40 GMT
I’m not trying to be rude here but what or why did you think the Uk has freedom of speech? We’ve never had it. You can be as rude as you like you own the place   Well was trying to make the point that some are allowed more freedom than others When it suits A couple of things 1) a lot of people are less than impressed. 2) people wanted the likes of XR reined in. 3) we never had the right to protest anyway. The fact is since Blairs time ‘protestors’ are kettled to have their little rant miles from the event snd certainly nowhere near a camera. 4) maybe if we behaved like the french, or ‘people of colour’ when a ‘criminal of colour’ is dealt with by the police, we might all be allowed a greater degree of protest. But we don’t (well, we did once, over the poll tax, but before that hadn’t since about the 1600’s) so we aren’t |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2023 7:25:02 GMT
What group does the woman, alone in the car belong to? You have the group that wants to protest having their rights removed, got that. Who are the other group that are having their rights removed? The group that want to enjoy the spectacle - I already said that. Or dont people have a right to freely go about their lives without disruption from protestors? People do have the right to go about their peaceful business, I agree but those people are not having that right 'taken away' by the protestors, it is as it has always been but protestors are having their right to protest taken away bit by bit. We do not see football crowds being moved away from football grounds because they are are creating a lot of noise, or arrested for walking in the roads holding people up going to work or ambulances going to emergencies or hospital, or stopped and search because they may have certain items on them,. We are now in a police state thanks to people 'angry' that protestors cause minor disruption to a small local area. |
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Post by wapentake on May 8, 2023 7:26:30 GMT
What group does the woman, alone in the car belong to? You have the group that wants to protest having their rights removed, got that. Who are the other group that are having their rights removed? Or dont people have a right to freely go about their lives without disruption from protestors? Double standards in operation here,if that is the case why so recently weren’t protesters detained before glueing themselves to the road? You still cannot answer why were people who weren’t protesters detained for hours for going about their lawful business? |
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Post by Pacifico on May 8, 2023 7:39:12 GMT
The group that want to enjoy the spectacle - I already said that. Or dont people have a right to freely go about their lives without disruption from protestors? People do have the right to go about their peaceful business, I agree but those people are not having that right 'taken away' by the protestors, it is as it has always been but protestors are having their right to protest taken away bit by bit. We do not see football crowds being moved away from football grounds because they are are creating a lot of noise, or arrested for walking in the roads holding people up going to work or ambulances going to emergencies or hospital, or stopped and search because they may have certain items on them,. We are now in a police state thanks to people 'angry' that protestors cause minor disruption to a small local area. There are over 60,000 streets in London yet these protestors want to kick off and disrupt the procession that was being held on just 2 of them. If their aim was simply 'protest' then they could have held a peaceful protest anywhere else in London and nobody would have minded in the slightest.. |
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