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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 7, 2023 17:59:40 GMT
Posters are dealing with Froth and Spin here - NOT the real issue Why were protesters, who had done absolutelly nothing wrong, arrested and put behind bars until after the coronation was over with. ? This is the troubling question at hand this is the real issue. The question is would starmer reverse such draconian legislation if he somehow came to power at westmisnter? Based on his u turn on all his pledges he made for labour leadership , and of course his recent highly publicised u turn on tuition fees , the answer is an emphatic no. The real issue is you cant trust new labour on a single issue , so why should anyone vote for them?
Yep, as I said elsewhere: ... Last time around, we voted Tory and got New Labour. This time around, the electorate will allegedly punish (Tory) New Labour by voting in (Labour) New Labour. And nothing will change. They are a consensus and if you disagree with that consensus, you have nowhere (well, nowhere with a cat in hell's chance) to place your vote... |
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Post by wapentake on May 7, 2023 18:17:43 GMT
Who can hear a rape alarm Pacifico? Well I assume anyone in the vicinity - so why should those enjoying the music from the bands have their enjoyment curtailed? Do they not have any rights? Irrelevant they’d not hear it and the main plank of your argument was that the noise of a rape alarm would spook the horses which is clearly nonsense. As I said at the beginning of the thread a lame excuse to cover a cock up or are you telling me senior officers didn’t know it was going to be so noisy you’d struggle to hear a rape alarm or the odd bod shouting not my king wouldn’t be heard either that the horses are trained for a noisy crowd anyway so the whole attempt to cover up is pathetic. Ongoing training but a piece pulled here from the platinum jubilee |
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Post by patman post on May 7, 2023 18:34:47 GMT
Not a helpful observation, given that it was only recently being reported that girls and young women were being advised not to approach a lone police officer if they felt nervous or threatened...
Yep, possibly the most irresponsible piece of advice ever. But widely accepted and promulgated in light of the current convictions of and allegations about Police officers.
Until the current perception held by many of the public, the confiscation of rape alarms in Soho by a legitimate women's safety group, seems a bizarre and unthinking act...
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 7, 2023 19:31:35 GMT
But widely accepted and promulgated in light of the current convictions of and allegations about Police officers... Really? Then can you tell us how many fewer calls the Met has received per day as a result? (Because frankly, I'm thinking none). Until the current perception held by many of the public, the confiscation of rape alarms in Soho by a legitimate women's safety group, seems a bizarre and unthinking act... Not sure what you mean, but outside of here I've heard very little about it. I'd suggest that the number of people avoiding the Met due to Couzens & Co is about the same as the number avoiding the NHS because of Shipman, Allitt & Co. ie SFA.  |
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Post by patman post on May 7, 2023 19:53:38 GMT
But widely accepted and promulgated in light of the current convictions of and allegations about Police officers... Really? Then can you tell us how many fewer calls the Met has received per day as a result? (Because frankly, I'm thinking none). Until the current perception held by many of the public, the confiscation of rape alarms in Soho by a legitimate women's safety group, seems a bizarre and unthinking act... Not sure what you mean, but outside of here I've heard very little about it. I'd suggest that the number of people avoiding the Met due to Couzens & Co is about the same as the number avoiding the NHS because of Shipman, Allitt & Co. ie SFA. Frankly, I'm not sure even you know what you mean by either response. I've no idea how many calls the Met get about anything — there seems to be a fair amount of sexual banter between them on their work mobiles, though. A particularly dumb activity.
As someone who was given "the talk" by my parents warning about interacting with the Police, and as a father about to do the same for my kids, I realise you've no idea how real people cope with the reality of the Met...
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Post by bancroft on May 7, 2023 19:57:40 GMT
I think the police were right to remove the protestors against the King.
If they apply they can have their protest at a future time at Trafalgar square instead of taking a cheap swipe at the Monarchy on a special day.
I am not even a monarchist yet like our culture to be protected.
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Post by see2 on May 7, 2023 20:08:50 GMT
Starmer wants Scotland to have tuition fees?? That's news to me, can you confirm that claim? I'm more than willing to learn. it was all over scotlands media a few days back . Scottish labour denied it of course , while the snp demanded that the branch manager come clean in scotland about his bosses wish to impose tuition fees on scotland same as england.
of course , we all know with labours flip flopping on every issues they cant be trusted. Which scots are going to take the chance that labour are lying to them? Not many i think.
Labours problem with scotland and england in a nutshell .Trying and failing to face two ways at the same time , and the public see through them. Whcih is why you have been out of power in scotland since 2007 , and at westmisnter since 2010.
Your problem is that you take what appears to be other peoples lies and insinuations as facts. "Scottish labour denied it of course". For the sake of your own credibility provide the unequivocal proof that Labour has said it would introduce tuition fees in Scotland. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 7, 2023 20:10:29 GMT
Really? Then can you tell us how many fewer calls the Met has received per day as a result? (Because frankly, I'm thinking none). Not sure what you mean, but outside of here I've heard very little about it. I'd suggest that the number of people avoiding the Met due to Couzens & Co is about the same as the number avoiding the NHS because of Shipman, Allitt & Co. ie SFA. Frankly, I'm not sure even you know what you mean by either response. I've no idea how many calls the Met get about anything — there seems to be a fair amount of sexual banter between them on their work mobiles, though. A particularly dumb activity.
As someone who was given "the talk" by my parents warning about interacting with the Police, and as a father about to do the same for my kids, I realise you've no idea how real people cope with the reality of the Met...
"Real people"... LOL!
Are you suggesting that "Real people" don't call the police? Or that black people don't call the police?
I've no idea what the ethnic make up of London is these days but the Met apparently receive 13,000 calls per day.
And I'd say it's highly unlikely that they're all from white, middle class people.
Wouldn't you?
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 7, 2023 20:15:35 GMT
Oh and back in the real world, the biggest issue with homicide in the Met area is black-on-black knife crime.
Did you have "the talk" about that with your kids, too - or just try to blame it all on the Met?
I really do hope that your kids will be safe but I have serious doubts as to your ability to assist them with that.
Denial of a problem seldom assists.
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Post by see2 on May 7, 2023 20:17:43 GMT
what deviations? lammy let the cat out the bag , and then starmer had to run around denying a concrete policy? I was condemning the protesters, you deviated to Lammy's comments on whether or not legislation would be used. |
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Post by patman post on May 7, 2023 20:20:47 GMT
Oh and back in the real world, the biggest issue with homicide in the Met area is black-on-black knife crime. Did you have "the talk" about that with your kids, too - or just try to blame it all on the Met? I really do hope that your kids will be safe but I have serious doubts as to your ability to assist them with that. Denial of a problem seldom assists.It's not assisted the Met or its image... |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 7, 2023 20:40:53 GMT
Ok, blame it on the Met it is then. Meanwhile, three stabbed to death in 24 hours...
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Post by wapentake on May 7, 2023 20:44:37 GMT
No other reason? We've had plenty of traditions,there was denying women the vote and of course capital punishment. There’s many things we used to do that aren’t acceptable now and that all took place because of what you call malcontents exposing their ignorance who couldn’t change anything. You might call their beliefs nonsense but for me I’m quite happy to see any protest peacefully,just stop oil and others,I might or might not agree with them but sure as hell defend their right to do so within the law. I now understand your defence of that grinning **** Blair,he who would have had his way with ID cards he is now advocating we have a digital ID imposed on us all for our own good and protection of course nothing to worry about as we track and control you from cradle to grave,what could possibly go wrong? And you cite opening the door to referenda as a problem you mean like the decision to leave the eu,can’t have the plebs exercising their freedoms can we? laughably you also cite extremism what do you think they’d do with those powers exercised yesterday and digital ID? You do know that amongst those arrested were nightstar volunteers which is run by Westminster City council news.sky.com/story/police-arrested-volunteers-handing-out-rape-alarms-over-coronation-disruption-concerns-12875150If we have laws they really do need to be operated without fear or favour,clearly that wasn’t what happened was it. Why start with such clearly unacceptable rules and laws in the past that have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO with the Coronation? First off apologies for the late reply got taken up a blind alley and rape alarms,anyway you think they may have nothing to do with the coronation but they are very relevant to your comments about malcontents,you may try to dismiss but you cannot make such statements about protests and bar reply,it’s like the oft used and what imo is dishonest debate shutdown by citing whataboutery. Ah I see so because I disagree I maybe want to see real extremists in office,that is obvious of course when I champion free speech and the rights of others. You aren’t understanding obviously because if you put in place things like digital ID’s you can have all the safeguards you like but the potential for misuse overt or covert activities s obvious,well to me at least. As far as your final comment I’d see the monarchy slimmed down more it’s assets removed and an annual budget given. |
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Post by Red Rackham on May 7, 2023 20:47:47 GMT
Ok, blame it on the Met it is then. Meanwhile, three stabbed to death in 24 hours...
Cant beat a multicultural society, apparently... |
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Post by Pacifico on May 7, 2023 21:08:40 GMT
Well I assume anyone in the vicinity - so why should those enjoying the music from the bands have their enjoyment curtailed? Do they not have any rights? Irrelevant they’d not hear it and the main plank of your argument was that the noise of a rape alarm would spook the horses which is clearly nonsense. As I said at the beginning of the thread a lame excuse to cover a cock up or are you telling me senior officers didn’t know it was going to be so noisy you’d struggle to hear a rape alarm or the odd bod shouting not my king wouldn’t be heard either that the horses are trained for a noisy crowd anyway so the whole attempt to cover up is pathetic. Sorry mate but that is a load of old waffle. If these rape alarms were not going to cause a disturbance then why had then out? - the whole point was to cause disruption and publicise their cause. |
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