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Post by thomas on May 8, 2023 13:32:17 GMT
I'm not sure what the question /scenario is designed to highlight though just another wee diversion magrathea from the elephants in the room new labour and their supporters cannot deal with. |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2023 13:40:45 GMT
Interesting thought. Lets suppose the Tories do a study and find that drinking alcohol leads to an unsustainable level of crime, for we all know how keen the Tories are to stamp out crime, as long as it's not fraud. They rush through a law that says all pubs 'must' have breathalysers on the premises and anyone over a certain limit will not be served. Anyone found on the street, because the police can now stop anyone on the street for no reason, with a higher alcohol level in their system can be arrested, charged and jailed for 12 months on the understanding that they could commit some crime associated with intoxication. Would you go out and protest? which tories are we talking about? Red or blue?
The way i see it red , you and your mates are footsoldiers of the red tory labour party. you are basically sales people selling the labour party to us mere plebs in return for our votes.
Why should we vote in the red tories if they arent going to repeal the blue tories policies like right to protest?
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Post by thomas on May 8, 2023 13:46:44 GMT
which tories are we talking about? Red or blue?
The way i see it red , you and your mates are footsoldiers of the red tory labour party. you are basically sales people selling the labour party to us mere plebs in return for our votes.
Why should we vote in the red tories if they arent going to repeal the blue tories policies like right to protest?
The floor is yours.
All of them red or blue.
not only a dissapointing sales pitch , but it displays your inability to think outside the box politically.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2023 14:20:20 GMT
not only a dissapointing sales pitch , but it displays your inability to think outside the box politically.
I will vote Labour, not because I think they are different from the Tories, they certainly are not under Starmer, but they may undo some of the damage done by the Tories. I have answered you deflectorory question, how about you reciprocating? |
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Post by sheepy on May 8, 2023 14:27:01 GMT
not only a dissapointing sales pitch , but it displays your inability to think outside the box politically.
I will vote Labour, not because I think they are different from the Tories, they certainly are not under Starmer, but they may undo some of the damage done by the Tories. I have answered you deflectorory question, how about you reciprocating? Let me save you all of the stress and hand wringing over which flavour, they will taste exactly the same. |
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Post by thomas on May 8, 2023 14:28:04 GMT
not only a dissapointing sales pitch , but it displays your inability to think outside the box politically.
I will vote Labour, not because I think they are different from the Tories, they certainly are not under Starmer, but they may undo some of the damage done by the Tories. I have answered you deflectorory question, how about you reciprocating? i stopped voting labour twenty years ago , becuase of the very thing you mention , that they are not any different from the tories. If you want a one party uk state batter in. Dont sit on here though nit picking one parties policies that are endorsed by the other cheek of the same arse.
Only a fool would believe an imitation tory party will undo some of the damage the tories have done.
...but then scotland has other options to the red tories disasterous rule....
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Post by thomas on May 8, 2023 14:30:59 GMT
I will vote Labour, not because I think they are different from the Tories, they certainly are not under Starmer, but they may undo some of the damage done by the Tories. I have answered you deflectorory question, how about you reciprocating? Let me save you all of the stress and hand wringing over which flavour, they will taste exactly the same. aye sheepwash , some people never learn about the westmisnter party.
words gone out across scotland , what a fool that man starmer is.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2023 15:25:57 GMT
And here is one of those side issues and no doubt when the coronation is long over someone just might admit arresting those three volunteers was a cockup and the rape alarm excuse for it nothing more than the horse manure it is. Meanwhile who’d continue to volunteer and try to cooperate when they risk arrest? No sense of the irony then?  I wouldn't mind too much. Looks like a mistake, so I think the going rate for false arrest is about £10,000 plus £10k for each hour in the cells. |
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Post by Pacifico on May 8, 2023 16:26:59 GMT
Well the Labour Party introduced the amendment to the Public Order Bill that introduced buffer zones around abortion clinics to prevent protests at the 'target' Are you suggesting that anti-abortion protests should be allowed outside of the clinics front door? - should we protect the right of people to protest? No I am not, it was a sensible 'compromise' by Labour but you have no reaction to your right to protest removed, I find that odd. So you are quite relaxed about removing one persons 'right to protest' but are getting exercised about removing some other peoples 'right to protest' Doesn't seem that this 'right to protest' is worth much if it can be arbitrary taken away - not exactly a right is it? |
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Post by wapentake on May 8, 2023 20:52:14 GMT
No I am not, it was a sensible 'compromise' by Labour but you have no reaction to your right to protest removed, I find that odd. So you are quite relaxed about removing one persons 'right to protest' but are getting exercised about removing some other peoples 'right to protest' Doesn't seem that this 'right to protest' is worth much if it can be arbitrary taken away - not exactly a right is it? So as it stands now the Met regrets arresting the republic mob,they have yet to grovel to the three volunteers they arrested on the absolute cobblers made up crap around rape alarms on the day they tweet about the big help out day today and volunteers and understandably get abuse in reply after arresting those three. And today just stop oil protesters block roads again to the plebs going about their lawful business and were they arrested? were they hell they were invited to take their protest to the pavement and replied don’t think so with no action taken. Senior officers manoeuvred by bent politicians on all sides and no action taken against just stop oil because we have to attain net zero,absolute waste of space the lot of them. What say you now Pacifico I did say you were easily fooled. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65527007 |
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Post by Pacifico on May 8, 2023 21:31:11 GMT
So you are quite relaxed about removing one persons 'right to protest' but are getting exercised about removing some other peoples 'right to protest' Doesn't seem that this 'right to protest' is worth much if it can be arbitrary taken away - not exactly a right is it? So as it stands now the Met regrets arresting the republic mob,they have yet to grovel to the three volunteers they arrested on the absolute cobblers made up crap around rape alarms on the day they tweet about the big help out day today and volunteers and understandably get abuse in reply after arresting those three. And today just stop oil protesters block roads again to the plebs going about their lawful business and were they arrested? were they hell they were invited to take their protest to the pavement and replied don’t think so with no action taken. Senior officers manoeuvred by bent politicians on all sides and no action taken against just stop oil because we have to attain net zero,absolute waste of space the lot of them. What say you now Pacifico I did say you were easily fooled.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65527007Fooled over what?. It's the oldest trick in the book to detain someone who is intent on protesting at a specific event and then say after the event (that they then could not attend) that it was all a mistake. Seems you are one easily fooled. |
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Post by wapentake on May 8, 2023 21:35:50 GMT
So as it stands now the Met regrets arresting the republic mob,they have yet to grovel to the three volunteers they arrested on the absolute cobblers made up crap around rape alarms on the day they tweet about the big help out day today and volunteers and understandably get abuse in reply after arresting those three. And today just stop oil protesters block roads again to the plebs going about their lawful business and were they arrested? were they hell they were invited to take their protest to the pavement and replied don’t think so with no action taken. Senior officers manoeuvred by bent politicians on all sides and no action taken against just stop oil because we have to attain net zero,absolute waste of space the lot of them. What say you now Pacifico I did say you were easily fooled.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65527007Fooled over what?. It's the oldest trick in the book to detain someone who is intent on protesting at a specific event and then say after the event (that they then could not attend) that it was all a mistake. Seems you are one easily fooled. Ha ha so the senior officers blaming ordinary cops now for this debacle and lowering morale was a cunning plan all along,yeah right  So is letting just stop oil do as they please another cunning plan? |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2023 15:58:29 GMT
So out of 46 people who were arrested - TWO were charged with an offence, one of which was possession of drugs, the other fourty four people were held WITHOUT CHARGE ( detained ) and then released.
This is not defensible
The London Mayor has ordered The Metropolitan Police to conduct a review of coronation policing, and to explain why people who were not charged with any offence were detained for so long - and rightly so.
This is not going to go away until The Metropolitan Police admit they got it wrong, and apologise.
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Post by Pacifico on May 9, 2023 16:48:05 GMT
The Police won - the day passed off without any protests causing disruption. Which after all was the primary goal of the policing operation.
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Post by Montegriffo on May 9, 2023 18:01:47 GMT
So out of 46 people who were arrested - TWO were charged with an offence, one of which was possession of drugs, the other fourty four people were held WITHOUT CHARGE ( detained ) and then released. This is not defensible The London Mayor has ordered The Metropolitan Police to conduct a review of coronation policing, and to explain why people who were not charged with any offence were detained for so long - and rightly so. This is not going to go away until The Metropolitan Police admit they got it wrong, and apologise. Didn't the police already apologise to the individuals? |
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